Class "R" rotation and Sky about to fall apart

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Gonna see what I can do about photoshopping a goatse with some warrior epics in it for target's sig.

[Pint]

I mean I can see your points Pint. I just don't think it was Anthrax's point. The guy just gets huge boners complaining about TMO. So he does it constantly.

to be fair i get a partial when i get a chance to complain about tmo

[Lazie]

to be fair i get a partial when i get a chance to complain about tmo

TMO confirmed helping alleviate erectile dysfunction.

[Autotune]

To be fair, the remnants of VD are pretty evenly scattered between class R and class C. So the true problem was that it billed itself as a casual raiding guild, which doesn't really work.

Bisch pushed for a raid focus, unfortunately the other officers coddled the casuals and it held everyone back. Dumping the guild onto BDA when most the officers left was just a bad idea honestly, just started the same disparity between raiders and casuals that eventually lead to FE and all this animosity.

This was a point that several people tried to point out over and over again (some from within VD and some that weren't) to the leaders/officers of VD. They failed to realize despite constant voices telling them, because all they wanted was to benefit themselves.

There were several awesome people in VD on both sides (casual and hardcore) and yet the ones "in charge" couldn't see what needed to be done.

[Lazie]

Why do you pretend to be so ignorant? Clearly that was my point, it just took 44 more posts for you to comprehend it.

Well if it was your point you need to be clearer making it and use actual facts about the raid scene. Glad we at TMO give you a reason to exist even if that existence is whining and frothing.

[Estolcles]

try to visualize:

one giant fat kid (TMO)
nineteen skinny kids (each representing every other guild on the server)

there are 100 twinkies placed on the table each month.

typically the giant fat kid eats 81 of these twinkies.
the other nineteen twinkies are divided evenly among the nineteen skinny kids so that they get one twinkie each.

Then a new kid shows up (representing a newly founded guild that wants to join the rotation).
The giant fat kid boasts that in order for things to be fair, the new kid should get some of the twinkies that the skinny kids share instead of sharing one of his 81 twinkies.

This is why it is so funny when TMO tries to act like they care about anyone but themselves.

This.

[Lazie]

try to visualize:

one giant fat kid (TMO)
nineteen skinny kids (each representing every other guild on the server)

there are 100 twinkies placed on the table each month.

typically the giant fat kid eats 81 of these twinkies.
the other nineteen twinkies are divided evenly among the nineteen skinny kids so that they get one twinkie each.

Then a new kid shows up (representing a newly founded guild that wants to join the rotation).
The giant fat kid boasts that in order for things to be fair, the new kid should get some of the twinkies that the skinny kids share instead of sharing one of his 81 twinkies.

This is why it is so funny when TMO tries to act like they care about anyone but themselves.

Your little visualization fails because the 81 twinkies that you claim TMO gets are open to any of those other guilds to take. TMO can't help that you are too scared to actually compete for the mobs your guild could get Anthrax and chooses instead to take a cut of the skinnier guilds Class R mobs.

[Hitpoint]

try to visualize:

one giant fat kid (TMO)
nineteen skinny kids (each representing every other guild on the server)

there are 100 twinkies placed on the table each month.

typically the giant fat kid eats 81 of these twinkies.
the other nineteen twinkies are divided evenly among the nineteen skinny kids so that they get one twinkie each.

Then a new kid shows up (representing a newly founded guild that wants to join the rotation).
The giant fat kid boasts that in order for things to be fair, the new kid should get some of the twinkies that the skinny kids share instead of sharing one of his 81 twinkies.

This is why it is so funny when TMO tries to act like they care about anyone but themselves.

Except the fat kid works all day and stays up all night earning money to buy his Twinkies.

The nineteen skinny kids have no jobs, and spend their welfare checks on booze and drugs. They use whatever is left over to buy themselves one Twinkie each.

[arsenalpow]

Except the fat kid works all day and stays up all night earning money to buy his Twinkies.

The nineteen skinny kids have no jobs, and spend their welfare checks on booze and drugs. They use whatever is left over to buy themselves one Twinkie each.

i honestly hope you don't believe that

[Hitpoint]

i honestly hope you don't believe that

Do I think you're all on welfare and hooked on drugs? Absolutely not.

[Lazie]

why do u want us so bad to compete with you?

we don't want to.

quit asking us out you creep.

no one in bda wants to do anything closely associated with the way tmo plays the game.

just stop. no one likes you. go play with IB.

:rolleyes:

You guys put in more work on these forums and with your rotation to assure your free mobs than it actually takes to compete in Class C. It's kinda funny to watch how limited the intelligence is in some of the BDA officers. It looks like Class R is way more stagnated now with BDA and Taken there than it would be if they moved to Class C and competed like they should. You guys wouldn't lose mobs you would just have to put forth some actual effort in game instead of on the forums. You would still get roughly the same amount of kills. I guess that takes common sense and not some tinfoil retardation though.

[Autotune]

try to visualize:

one giant fat kid (TMO)
nineteen skinny kids (each representing every other guild on the server)

there are 100 twinkies placed on the table each month.

typically the giant fat kid eats 81 of these twinkies.
the other nineteen twinkies are divided evenly among the nineteen skinny kids so that they get one twinkie each.

Then a new kid shows up (representing a newly founded guild that wants to join the rotation).
The giant fat kid boasts that in order for things to be fair, the new kid should get some of the twinkies that the skinny kids share instead of sharing one of his 81 twinkies.

This is why it is so funny when TMO tries to act like they care about anyone but themselves.

if those skinny kids were faster, they could beat that fat kid to those twinkies, apparently they aren't hungry enough though.

[Lazie]

Do I think you're all on welfare and hooked on drugs? Absolutely not.

I do.

[Autotune]

Every time Anthrax begs for more free raid targets, he uses the "little guilds" line. Every time Anthrax's guild gets those begged free raid targets, the kill them in front of the other "little guilds" and then boasts about it on their guild recruitment thread.

"Skinny" kid wants to be a "fat" kid, but is too lazy to get off its ass to pick up those 81 twinkies laying around.

[Rivthis]

:rolleyes:

You guys put in more work on these forums and with your rotation to assure your free mobs than it actually takes to compete in Class C. It's kinda funny to watch how limited the intelligence is in some of the BDA officers. It looks like Class R is way more stagnated now with BDA and Taken there than it would be if they moved to Class C and competed like they should. You guys wouldn't lose mobs you would just have to put forth some actual effort in game instead of on the forums. You would still get roughly the same amount of kills. I guess that takes common sense and not some tinfoil retardation though.

Work harder for the same amount of kills. :rolleyes:

Why would anyone work 80 hours a week to make $500 when they could work 40 hours and still make $500?

[Detoxx]

Work harder for the same amount of kills. :rolleyes:

Why would anyone work 80 hours a week to make $500 when they could work 40 hours and still make $500?

This is the mentality that lead to class R in the first place. Did anyone else see this coming when the whole raid scene was being redefined? I did. You wanted to rotate your shit, so rotate it. More mouths to feed isn't our problem, just like autofire isn't "class R's" problem.

[Lazie]

Literally haven't needed or received loot from a raid target in 4 years. Not even sure who you think you are talking about. I don't post on the recruitment thread either. I donate my time to acquire pixels for other people's enjoyment.

I am a man of the people, for the people, and I stand for Truth, Justice, and the American way.

You are mentally insane at the least. It's what poisons most of the Class R rotation at the moment too. "Why should we the largest guild on the server work hard for mobs when we can sit in Class R and see the same amount and block you smaller guilds from seeing more mobs.". Grats BDA you have become what you said you hate.

[Argh]

hahaha why the fuck is this thread still going on

[Rellapse40]

bda's tears knows no bounds

[bktroost]

:rolleyes:

You guys put in more work on these forums and with your rotation to assure your free mobs than it actually takes to compete in Class C. It's kinda funny to watch how limited the intelligence is in some of the BDA officers. It looks like Class R is way more stagnated now with BDA and Taken there than it would be if they moved to Class C and competed like they should. You guys wouldn't lose mobs you would just have to put forth some actual effort in game instead of on the forums. You would still get roughly the same amount of kills. I guess that takes common sense and not some tinfoil retardation though.

Lazie, I personally work to ensure the Rotation is upheld night and day and check it around the clock as the discussions rage but my guild does not. I commit myself to leading a more hardcore gaming life style so they do not have to. Every guild leader understands what I'm saying and is probably in the same boat. I personally never receive loot because there is not a whole lot outside of VP that I really need. But my guild of casual players are not at all the same and cannot devote the time I have to be more than casual.

[Lazie]

Lazie, I personally work to ensure the Rotation is upheld night and day and check it around the clock as the discussions rage but my guild does not. I commit myself to leading a more hardcore gaming life style so they do not have to. Every guild leader understands what I'm saying and is probably in the same boat. I personally never receive loot because there is not a whole lot outside of VP that I really need. But my guild of casual players are not at all the same and cannot devote the time I have to be more than casual.

I am sure several people work to uphold it bk...That isn't the point I was making. Your guild is a perfect example of a Class R guild. Solid members still needing to acquire gear and levels to progress. BDA is the definition of a Class C guild. Large roster of level 60s with the gear to compete and the numbers to track and batphone at most hours of the day. You could put an experienced raid leader and guild leader at the head of BDA right now and they would be a force on the server.

The leadership of BDA however would rather crowd the Class R spawn cycle and dilute the pool of mobs for the smaller less capable guilds simply because it's easy for them. They then come to the forums and paint misconceptions about Class C and make it sound like something it isn't in its current state. They do this so they can tell guilds like yours "See this is why we are Class R that over there is a shitshow"...Which it isn't 90% of the time.

Honestly raiding Class C is quite easy once you gain experience and have a good understanding of Everquest mechanics with the current mob windows. You spend maybe 2(sometimes 3) days a week actually being ready to raid with your characters. The rest of the time you don't even have to log into Everquest unless you want to. With a large roster(Especially the one the size of BDA) you have plenty of people to cover tracking the short windows these mobs have. Sure every now and again a train happens or someone KSes and it comes to RNF. Things like that happen every now and again when 2 guilds are racing for mobs. Most the time it is easily handled between the 2 parties involved with very little drama.

[arsenalpow]

How about TMO and IB rotate mobs with the rest of the server? Does that sound ok?

[Pint]

i am literally blown away that lazie just still does not understand, i mean i have no issues with you personally lazie but you are being so intentionally dense lol.

[arsenalpow]

He wants to force a playstyle on BDA specifically but he would never want a playstyle forced on him. He's a moron.

[Bazia]

i never remember GMs telling guilds they cant kill certain raid mobs

is dis classic?

[Ambrotos]

i never remember GMs telling guilds they cant kill certain raid mobs

is dis classic?

Can't pick and choose. If you want a pure classic server, your entire guild would have disbanded and every officer/leader would have been banned. Also the entire 100+ accounts would have never been allowed to be unbanned/unsuspended.

Anything else you want classic?

[Ambrotos]

Can't pick and choose. If you want a pure classic server, your entire guild would have disbanded and every officer/leader would have been banned. Also the entire 100+ accounts would have never been allowed to be unbanned/unsuspended.

Anything else you want classic?

Oh and this would apply to IB also from the fire sale they had. Don't let anyone claim I singled out just TMO in the classic standing argument.

[Clasick]

Wow this thread still going on
Lots of good discussion on the whole raid scene

So is there a point where the class R rotation will be saturated with too many guilds? Can you imagine the shit show if the rotation was determined by guild size ?

As pointed out until velious drops there is no need to be in a mega guild. There is little incentive for smaller guilds on the rotation to merge as it would net less merbs

[toosweet]

People on welfare be like ' why you want me to earn what I get, why you tryna change my lifestyle'
An you know sumtin else, we need more stuff, my children gots ta eat, somebody gotta be held responsible fo dis

[HeallunRumblebelly]

i am literally blown away that lazie just still does not understand, i mean i have no issues with you personally lazie but you are being so intentionally dense lol.

I don't even see what the argument here is. Class R guilds don't wanna race, so they don't, so they don't get very many mobs. Most seem rather content with the situation as it is, still getting some mobs. With the repops we probably average out to about as many mobs as we had before. Sky is still fucked with this rotation thing, but that's mostly because of efreetis having ultra uber wtf rare loots like belt/fist/bow etc.

Noble rotation never really worked out for us cuz of not knowing when OOAs were be despawned and then having a situation where the prize for breaking the agreement (more OOAs / hands) got bigger and bigger until someone did it. Velious fixes this, though, as noble loot becomes....not very good compared to velious loot :P Just something we'll have to wait out one way or another.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Can't pick and choose. If you want a pure classic server, your entire guild would have disbanded and every officer/leader would have been banned. Also the entire 100+ accounts would have never been allowed to be unbanned/unsuspended.

Anything else you want classic?

Having like 10 lvl 60s in kunark era is also kinda lolclassic, too. I barely managed 60 in kunark--I've got as much power projection here on p99 as I had during frickin luclin on live :P

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The future of our guild will be determined in these next few months. We could establish a dynasty that would last a thousand years... or we could collapse into nothing, as the Basterds did.

[Lazie]

He wants to force a playstyle on BDA specifically but he would never want a playstyle forced on him. He's a moron.

Says the biggest moron on the server.

[Lazie]

I think what this retard is claiming is that we all quit our jobs, reply to every single post on the RnF forums about why your guild is good when you joined them on a winning spree, start fielding over 60+ members who have been geared out for the past 2 years, merge with guilds that you compete against to make yourself better, CotH/Tracker alt's camped at every spawn. My person opinion, which is an obvious given, if you WANTED more competition, don't absorb 1/3 of Class C. I'm sure there is people that put in plenty of hours, sometimes more than TMO members, they just decided they wanted a less "stressful" raid scene and don't just want to join a guild that is zerging off the competition. Some people have more fun doing stuff with less. I find it retarded TMO is claiming they want competition, after doing everything in their power to prevent people from competing. The only reason they want people/BDA/whomever to join Class C is because they want to be able to log on their 60+ toons parked everywhere and rape them in a race that is already one sided and then come here to brag about it.

You really should learn to have discussions without letting your emotions get involved sir. No one has to lose a job to raid in the current system it's 1 or 2 days of raiding a week man. Chest uses some idiotic notion that it is a large difference in play style that just isn't true anymore. It was true before all the changes to the raid scene. I can give him and you that argument then. It just doesn't apply anymore. BTW less walls of text and less emotional diatribe please.

[radditsu]

You really should learn to have discussions without letting your emotions get involved sir. No one has to lose a job to raid in the current system it's 1 or 2 days of raiding a week man. Chest uses some idiotic notion that it is a large difference in play style that just isn't true anymore. It was true before all the changes to the raid scene. I can give him and you that argument then. It just doesn't apply anymore. BTW less walls of text and less emotional diatribe please.

***** you gay.

[Lazie]

I think Lazie also forgets that it takes time to key everyone for VP, and gear for raid mobs considering they are fighting against a force that has gotten....wait what was that? 31 Raid mobs in the past week? So their gear is significantly better to say the least and they don't have a disposable amount of alts already keyed for VP or geared. Any other dragons for Class C would be basically the same thing, Class R would be scooping up the mobs that aren't class C, leaving these new and upcoming guilds that joined Class C , with a few options. They would get the lower of the Class C mobs for quite some time, shit that the top Class C guilds aren't really concerned about. They would get Trak maybe once every month and that would probably be on earthquakes, when the top Class C are occupied. By the time any new Class C stepped into VP raid ready, it will likely be 3 months into Velious. The only thing to combat this since Kunark has been out for a long amount of time is for guilds to merge, where you are basically outnumbering your opponent by 2 to make up for the gear and alt's already camped out and hopefully you will have more people with VP keys due to some of the officers/top members already have or been working on them. It just doesn't work out, unless you want to merge, and some people don't give a shit to do that just to "win." As I've said Everquest is a time game but also a decision game, you have option A. where you can level up, get decently geared and join the top guild that already has a shitload of members and will merge/do whatever to win or you can B. want to try to enjoy the content, put in just as many hours, and try to build a guild up from being a lower tier guild to a top tier guild with friends. You can find friends in both guilds I am sure, it just depends if you like the type of people that jump on that bandwagon to consider themselves dominate. The real power and domination comes from a lower class guild working their way to the top, anything else is just bullshit.


So they would get the same amount of mobs and a few more on repops is what you are saying ? That is more than most Class R guilds get now correct ? At the current rate of Trak kills now for Class R that are spread between quite a few guilds. How is that going to make those guilds VP capable even 3 months into Velious. BDA already had over 20 keyed players before they started this rotation of Class R mobs. I am sure their numbers have grown since in that regard. They aren't a new guild to the raid scene they just are the worst at progressing.

[Lazie]

***** you gay.

How have you been ? Been absent awhile.

[radditsu]

How have you been ? Been absent awhile.

Ehh forums kinda boring. I burned out on another server so I blew a ton of money on the steam sale to keep myself busy. Maybe I'll play p99 and join TMO or something after I get through the games

[Lazie]

Ehh forums kinda boring. I burned out on another server so I blew a ton of money on the steam sale to keep myself busy. Maybe I'll play p99 and join TMO or something after I get through the games

Haha nice.

[Man0warr]

So they would get the same amount of mobs and a few more on repops is what you are saying ? That is more than most Class R guilds get now correct ? At the current rate of Trak kills now for Class R that are spread between quite a few guilds. How is that going to make those guilds VP capable even 3 months into Velious. BDA already had over 20 keyed players before they started this rotation of Class R mobs. I am sure their numbers have grown since in that regard. They aren't a new guild to the raid scene they just are the worst at progressing.


The vast majority of BDA are casual - the small amount of "hardcore" people in BDA aren't going to force raiding/batphoning/tracking/etc on our guild. We don't recruit those kind of people nor encourage it.

Being in Class C has nothing to do with how capable your force is or how good your gear is. It's about playstyle - that's the reason it's segregated.

[radditsu]

The vast majority of BDA are casual - the small amount of "hardcore" people in BDA aren't going to force raiding/batphoning/tracking/etc on our guild. We don't recruit those kind of people nor encourage it.

Being in Class C has nothing to do with how capable your force is or how good your gear is. It's about playstyle - that's the reason it's segregated.

At some point in time chest wanted us to poopsock and scrap and fight. But he looked in the mirror and saw the face of a neckbeard develop. So then he played with his corgis and all was well.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

The vast majority of BDA are casual - the small amount of "hardcore" people in BDA aren't going to force raiding/batphoning/tracking/etc on our guild. We don't recruit those kind of people nor encourage it.

Being in Class C has nothing to do with how capable your force is or how good your gear is. It's about playstyle - that's the reason it's segregated.

I was under the impression this is why FE (and the VD split) happened in the first place. Those who wanted to raid, went and did.

[Man0warr]

Everyone in BDA wants to raid. Most don't want to be awoken by batphones (at all hours) or be forced to track - there's some of us who do both but not enough to compete with TMO.

It is what it is, not sure why TMO is trying to force BDA, Taken, etc into Class C outside of wanting someone else to boast to in RnF when they win a race since IB seems to be on the decline.

[khanable]

I was under the impression this is why FE (and the VD split) happened in the first place. Those who wanted to raid, went and did.

I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

I know that would bring great joy to many of you :p

[toosweet]

I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

I know that would bring great joy to many of you :p

Cucumber the wise

[khanable]

Cucumber the wise

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it jerk off

or something

[Dragonsblood1987]

I think the only way to fix the raid scene clusterfuck that TMO has caused is to do a server wipe and remove all raid restrictions (aside from being training faggots, which TMO will most likely do anyway).


Raid disputes like fte, who was there first ect could be easily solved by having both guilds elect a champion to duel 1v1 to decide who gets rights to the contested mob.


Or just have everyone dogpile it and whoever gets credit for the kill gets credit.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

I know that would bring great joy to many of you :p

Yeah. And pretty much all of us who've been here from the beginning have taken breaks. Even no-lifers like myself and hokushin have taken breaks, because when it's at it's best it's super fucking time consuming and/or stressful. And that's great--it's fun, it's just a bitch sometimes. The situation we have now...the only people who really lost were those selling raid loot. And the increase in population since the raid change has honestly offset that even more. They've given the class R guilds a small hit of the crack and now they'll pay even more to get more.

[SyanideGas]

Cuc's Journeyman Wordsmith. Pras

[Pint]

I don't even see what the argument here is. Class R guilds don't wanna race, so they don't, so they don't get very many mobs. Most seem rather content with the situation as it is, still getting some mobs. With the repops we probably average out to about as many mobs as we had before. Sky is still fucked with this rotation thing, but that's mostly because of efreetis having ultra uber wtf rare loots like belt/fist/bow etc.

Noble rotation never really worked out for us cuz of not knowing when OOAs were be despawned and then having a situation where the prize for breaking the agreement (more OOAs / hands) got bigger and bigger until someone did it. Velious fixes this, though, as noble loot becomes....not very good compared to velious loot :P Just something we'll have to wait out one way or another.

Wrong thread heallun, this is about R not sky

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Wrong thread heallun, this is about R not sky

I don't even understand this world anymore.

[Pint]

Yeah. And pretty much all of us who've been here from the beginning have taken breaks. Even no-lifers like myself and hokushin have taken breaks, because when it's at it's best it's super fucking time consuming and/or stressful. And that's great--it's fun, it's just a bitch sometimes. The situation we have now...the only people who really lost were those selling raid loot. And the increase in population since the raid change has honestly offset that even more. They've given the class R guilds a small hit of the crack and now they'll pay even more to get more.

What economy have you been tracking? Prices are rock bottom across the board.

[Anichek]

if anything, it helps class r kill more mobs and get more pixels, something you have been adamantly, and openly fighting for.

It doesn't change the ratio of Class R to Class C mobs whatsoever. It would only impact the ratio of Class R to Class C kills if the assistance was on a FFA spawn.

[Anichek]

I just want to chime in briefly. It's not that class c benefits from assisting R guilds. It's that the different classes represent radically different play styles. If class c is allowed to interact with class R then the play style of C bleeds over into R. This means that there is less distinction between the two classes thus frustrating the purpose of the class system. I believe it would best fulfill the purpose of this segregated system to disallow class c interaction with class R on a raid level.

Too many people think of the restricted class to be made of guilds that are not capable of completing with class C. However, this is not the case. The restricted class exists because however capable guilds may be, they do not wish to match the play style of the competitive class. Skill and ability have no bearing here. It is strictly a desire to match one play style or the other. This is why it is imperative that the lines be distinct and the segregation remain absolute.

99% of the time, I agree with you Xasten. This is one of those times. Thank you for your perspective - I would be safe to say that those Class R guilds that are currently in the rotation would agree with this sentiment as well.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

What economy have you been tracking? Prices are rock bottom across the board.

Dunno, I'm terrible at economyquest :3 And you're probs right. Most of class R seems content to just wait for drops.

[Pint]

Dunno, I'm terrible at economyquest :3 And you're probs right. Most of class R seems content to just wait for drops.

well we did perfect the art of waiting over the last few years!

[HeallunRumblebelly]

well we did perfect the art of waiting over the last few years!

Zen masters.

[Ravager]

Except the fat kid works all day and stays up all night earning money to buy his Twinkies.

The nineteen skinny kids have no jobs, and spend their welfare checks on booze and drugs. They use whatever is left over to buy themselves one Twinkie each.

It really is a soft world we live in where being tethered to a computer game all hours of the day is considered work.

[Susano]

It really is a soft world we live in where being tethered to a computer game all hours of the day is considered work.

Work is only one aspect of life where the more effort you put into it the more rewards you get. Shame you and others like you feel entitled to the same rewards without putting forth the effort.

[Ravager]

Work is only one aspect of life where the more effort you put into it the more rewards you get. Shame you and others like you feel entitled to the same rewards without putting forth the effort.

Time =/= effort.

[Susano]

Time =/= effort.

Class R doesn't want to put forth either.

[Jay F Kay]

Class R doesn't want to put forth either.

Being able to kill the mob is the required effort to gain loot. Not being able to out wait the 200 jobless weirdos eager to log on at all hours of the day. Why do you feel that all people who play here should have to dedicate their entire lives to slaying pixel dragons to be able to slay them at all?

[Susano]

Being able to kill the mob is the required effort to gain loot. Not being able to out wait the 200 jobless weirdos eager to log on at all hours of the day. Why do you feel that all people who play here should have to dedicate their entire lives to slaying pixel dragons to be able to slay them at all?

Obviously there is more required or class R would get more FFA kills. As for the other jobless weirdo part, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

[Jay F Kay]

Obviously there is more required or class R would get more FFA kills. As for the other jobless weirdo part, keep telling yourself that if it helps you sleep at night.

I sleep fine at night, can you guess why? It's because no one is calling me at 3 am to slay pixel dragons. I've only killed trakanon a handful of times, and if someone called me in the middle of the night to kill it, I'd be pissed. What keeps you waking up for those calls for the 500th time? And why do you feel everyone else should have to as well? I'm just trying to understand here.......

[Prismaticshop]

Being able to kill the mob is the required effort to gain loot. Not being able to out wait the 200 jobless weirdos eager to log on at all hours of the day. Why do you feel that all people who play here should have to dedicate their entire lives to slaying pixel dragons to be able to slay them at all?

Some Class C people are pretty, rich, sexually active AND get to kill top dog pixelz.

Deal with it.

[Detoxx]

Some Class C people are pretty, rich, sexually active AND get to kill top dog pixelz.

Deal with it.

Sig worthy

[Swish]

Some Class C people are pretty, rich, sexually active AND get to kill top dog pixelz.

Deal with it.

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[Jay F Kay]

Some Class C people are pretty, rich, sexually active AND get to kill top dog pixelz.

Deal with it.

And that is fine........... All I'm trying to determine here is why you class C folks are so angry that class R gets to kill things? Is it because you've spent so many years putting in this "effort" only to see those guilds you've been trying to suppress wearing the same pixels you are? Its just hard to comprehend why anyone would take this game so seriously.

And Detoxx, although this account is quite anonymous, I've always had a good relationship with you in game. But here you seem to act like your gods gift to TMO, when in reality your little more then a coattail rider. You too quickly forget your years in asgard, and that you joined TMO long after they were top dog. Kinda makes you seem like a jackass, and I say that not to insult you, but to hopefully show you the error of your ways.

[Lazie]

I wasn't around during this time period, so I'm sure there might be more reasons, but the #1 reason appears to be exactly what you stated. Those who wanted to play the hardcore raid scene went off and did.

I feel like this argument has been beaten to death thirty times over. BDA members just don't want to compete for mobs on the level that is required in class C. I believe Lazie stated things are different now, I don't know what is different but I'd be interested to hear what has changed over the months. Either way, it's been like pulling teeth to get folks even remotely interested in doing FFA stuff. Call it apathy, call it lazy, call it abusing the loot vending machine - whatever. The simple fact of the matter is our member base doesn't want to play the game that way.

As much as I would like to see a serious step up on our part, it just isn't really going to happen unless server staff forces it. If that day comes, it'll be the end of BDA.

I know that would bring great joy to many of you :p

It's mostly the time Cucumbers. Windows are drastically smaller than what they were before and when spawns are across 1 or 2 days everything can't be covered as consistently as when these mobs had huge variances. It wouldn't take a large guild to get some of these mobs atm. Just a guild that chooses their targets wisely.

[Ravager]

Class R doesn't want to put forth either.

What's baffling is why class C people do.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

It's mostly the time Cucumbers. Windows are drastically smaller than what they were before and when spawns are across 1 or 2 days everything can't be covered as consistently as when these mobs had huge variances. It wouldn't take a large guild to get some of these mobs atm. Just a guild that chooses their targets wisely.

They used to compete on the outdoor dragons pretty consistently but that kind of dropped off. Theya used to get quite a few sevs and fays. Then the autofire vent conversation...lols.

[zanderklocke]

Sig worthy

No oxford comma in there though.

[Archalen]

Some Class C people are pretty, rich, sexually active AND get to kill top dog pixelz.

Deal with it.

^ euphemism for rich trannies who masturbate a lot

[Detoxx]

No oxford comma in there though.

Although you are correct, it has become an optional comma!

[Pint]

Although you are correct, it has become an optional comma!

K.O.

[zanderklocke]

http://www.rantlifestyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/oxford-comma-cartoon.jpg

[Prismaticshop]

And that is fine........... All I'm trying to determine here is why you class C folks are so angry that class R gets to kill things? Is it because you've spent so many years putting in this "effort" only to see those guilds you've been trying to suppress wearing the same pixels you are? Its just hard to comprehend why anyone would take this game so seriously.

And Detoxx, although this account is quite anonymous, I've always had a good relationship with you in game. But here you seem to act like your gods gift to TMO, when in reality your little more then a coattail rider. You too quickly forget your years in asgard, and that you joined TMO long after they were top dog. Kinda makes you seem like a jackass, and I say that not to insult you, but to hopefully show you the error of your ways.

Lets put it that way : Class C folks invest more time into playing p99. They get more, but invest more time. Much more time! Sometimes, a lot of time...alts, farming, plats, super top dog pixelz. Class C dudes are comited.

Then you have Class R dudes. Like Chest.

Here starts the long history of difference between the top dog pixelz society a.k.a class C or well lets be honest, a.k.a. TMO since IB struggles to snatch sea dragon meat here and there, And the R dudes.

R dudes are fresh spawns in minecraft, with their picks in their hands (and their dicks) asking for pixelz. Pixelz are all around, you know, but they spend hours and hours and days and weeks crrrrrryyyinggg about it on the forums : "we want more top dog pixelz ! But we have lives ! ( and cool jobs, and hot wives , and we are ripped n drive fancy EU coupé cars - how dare you force batphoning top dog pixel quest onto us !).

So well, Class C spends time in game achieving stuff - top dog pixelz farming simulator 2014 - and class R spends as much time - on the forums - drooling about it.

How do you want us to react ? Stop acting like p99 topdogpixelstampwelfare.org and we will stop acting like the top dog pixelz tea party.

[Frieza_Prexus]

No oxford comma in there though.

Anyone who doesn't use a serial comma should be beaten with dictionaries and burned at the semicolon.

[Dragonsblood1987]

Oxford commas 4 lyfe, mofuggah.

[Ravager]

Anyone who doesn't use a serial comma should be beaten with dictionaries and burned at the semicolon.

I use a serial spoon.