attention RL info posting nerds

[Sirken]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken

[Tiggles]

I have no proof but I think it was a combination of IB,A-Team and IB working together. So uh...do the needfull.

[sanforce]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/attachments/this-is-gonna-be-good-gif.14807/

[Glenzig]

Its obviously a plot by TMO to get IB and A team disbanded.

[Fountree]

Definitely wrong to post real info. These guys need to be punished for sure for repeated attempts. Here's to hoping that the GMs deal with the issues raised in last 24 hours swiftly and fairly though. No need for a witch-hunt if someone was justifiably trying to expose RMT. I was suspended for 24 hours a few months ago with absolutely no proof of any RMT activity, remember.

I hope cool heads can prevail and we can remain unbiased here in this community.

Reposting the fine print here just so that punishments can be administered fairly.
Please dont hurt me.

6a) Global Forum Rules
The following rules apply to all forums, including Rants and Flames.

Stay out of Real Life
Many people expect to keep personal and real life matters seperate from those that happen on the Internet. We expect all forum members to respect eachother's privacy. You may not ever post any real life information about another user, including but not limited to, name and address, phone numbers, pictures, employers, associates, etc. This also extends to protect other forms of communication including IM Aliases and E-Mail addresses.

Those that violate this rule will be banned for RL Information and ALL posts will be deleted as spam.

[Splorf22]

I have no proof but I think it was a combination of IB,A-Team and IB working together. So uh...do the needfull.

All of your answers are at 1060 W Addison St, Chicago, IL 60613

[Glenzig]

http://www.smogon.com/forums/attachments/this-is-gonna-be-good-gif.14807/

Please ban for racist gif.

[Sirken]

All of your answers are at 1060 W Addison St, Chicago, IL 60613

http://members.chello.at/the.original.brothers/TOBChicago.GIF




cause i see what u did there

[Ravager]

Pepe Silvia.

[Alarti0001]

I have no proof but I think it was a combination of IB,A-Team and IB working together. So uh...do the needfull.

I heard BDA is actually leading this charge.

[Alarti0001]

too bad you weren't here to threaten tmo when they posted real life pics of Vesica Dei's leader Coldblooded.

TMO infiltrated VD member section of website and copied the "real life pics" thread so they could fap to all the real life girl players pics in VD while trying to /cyber them during raid encounters.

What TMO member did that? Are you speaking about TMO as an entity or as a representative of all the evil in this world. If its the latter than I am beginning to understand you more clearly. OBV you use TMO as a catch-all.

Plus the only person cybering VD girls constantly was Bisch and he was one of your own.

[Ambrotos]

Prove it

[Alarti0001]

Prove it

Haha I still have those PM's do you really want me to?

[Tiggles]

Prove it

Haha I'm with you bro, The things we do for loot.

[Ambrotos]

If that was the case then it would have been them doing me for loot. I get it for free no strings attached.

But I see what you did there!

[Ravager]

Haha I still have those PM's do you really want me to?

I wish Alarti were here to tell this clownshoe that threats of proof aren't proof.

[Nibblewitz]

<3
Sirken

[Alarti0001]

I wish Alarti were here to tell this clownshoe that threats of proof aren't proof.

You need to understand that you need to have an interest in proving something. It is a cost benefit analysis, having proof but not submitting it doesn't mean the proof doesn;t exist it just meant the point can't be proven. I have little interest in stirring up 3+? yr drama with Bisch at the moment. However, I did figure Bisch (who is a known flirt) would admit to his flirtations withing VD (and without).

Its a level of care Ravager.... you need to try harder I guess.

[Tiggles]

If that was the case then it would have been them doing me for loot. I get it for free no strings attached.

But I see what you did there!

So my alt needs a guise. Wanna go out for drinks later hot stuff?

[Ambrotos]

So my alt needs a guise. Wanna go out for drinks later hot stuff?

Sure thing. Maybe get a pained soul camp also? I like 2 for 1s.

[Fountree]

Alarti, logically, how did the universe begin and why did the big bang happen? Need quality sources to back up your claims like the huffington post, mother jones and aljazeera only.

[Alarti0001]

Alarti, logically, how did the universe begin and why did the big bang happen? Need quality sources to back up your claims like the huffington post, mother jones and aljazeera only.

Unlike people of other persuasions those who follow logic and science can say... "we aren't 100% sure".

Is that unsettling for you? Do you need 100% certainty in all things?(seems boring)

[Fountree]

Unlike people of other persuasions those who follow logic and science can say... "we aren't 100% sure".

Is that unsettling for you? Do you need 100% certainty in all things?(seems boring)

Phew , i thought for a min you had ignored me. Better now though :)

Ty for answer!

[SamwiseRed]

Sounds like a wipe is immiment. Pras

[Ravager]

You need to understand that you need to have an interest in proving something. It is a cost benefit analysis, having proof but not submitting it doesn't mean the proof doesn;t exist it just meant the point can't be proven. I have little interest in stirring up 3+? yr drama with Bisch at the moment. However, I did figure Bisch (who is a known flirt) would admit to his flirtations withing VD (and without).

Its a level of care Ravager.... you need to try harder I guess.

If there was no benefit, then why bring it up in the first place?

[Alarti0001]

If there was no benefit, then why bring it up in the first place?

Playful jab at Bisch? Its RnF, not a super serious forum.

Are you ok?

[Tiggles]

Sure thing. Maybe get a pained soul camp also? I like 2 for 1s.

Hey Slapan trained those mobs on HIMSELF!

Nothing to see here.

[Duckwalk]

RL info gets posted in an attempt to curb the rampant RMT business on P99 servers.

Sirken GETS MAD!!

[Sirken]

RL info gets posted in an attempt to curb the rampant RMT business on P99 servers.

Sirken GETS MAD!!

um, yes? :confused:

[Glenzig]

RL info gets posted in the wrong section of the forums in a desperate plea for attention. Sirken GETS MAD because he has to waste time removing the posts.

[sanforce]

RMT info gets petitioned in an attempt to curb the rampant RMT business on P99 servers.

Sirken GETS HAPPY!!

[Duckwalk]

Maybe my first post was too subtle.

Remind me how many of these RL info threads are related to something other than RMT.

The petition thread is great and all but when there is a complete lack of transparency into investigation of RMT and efforts to combat them, when despite GM efforts RMT on P99 appears to continue unabated and when the vast majority of the items involved in RMT activity original from the same two groups (and have for the past 3+ years), its hard for me not to be amused at your anger regarding posts exposing RMT.

I mean there is a reason behind all the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, accusations of GM favoritism, #corrupt memes that appear in almost every thread regarding Nihilium, TMO, or RMT.

[Glenzig]

Maybe my first post was too subtle.

Remind me how many of these RL info threads are related to something other than RMT.

The petition thread is great and all but when there is a complete lack of transparency into investigation of RMT and efforts to combat them, when despite GM efforts RMT on P99 appears to continue unabated and when the vast majority of the items involved in RMT activity original from the same two groups (and have for the past 3+ years), its hard for me not to be amused at your anger regarding posts exposing RMT.

I mean there is a reason behind all the tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists, accusations of GM favoritism, #corrupt memes that appear in almost every thread regarding Nihilium, TMO, or RMT.

I joined in March and there have been 400+ accounts banned specifically for RMT since then. Obviously they are just sweeping it under the rug.

[Sirken]

I joined in March and there have been 400+ accounts banned specifically for RMT since then. Obviously they are just sweeping it under the rug.

hes a dumb attention seeking whore that wasn't hugged enough as a child, ignore him (the rest of the world does).

[Tiggles]

hes a dumb attention seeking whore that wasn't hugged enough as a child, ignore him (the rest of the world does).

maybe hugged TOO much as a child.

[YendorLootmonkey]

too bad you weren't here to threaten tmo when they posted real life pics of Vesica Dei's leader Coldblooded.

TMO infiltrated VD member section of website and copied the "real life pics" thread so they could fap to all the real life girl players pics in VD while trying to /cyber them during raid encounters.

It was a TMO member acting solely on his own, remember? I am starting to see a trend in the use of that concept.

And here's the infiltrator being outed:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-73429.html

[Duckwalk]

I joined in March and there have been 400+ accounts banned specifically for RMT since then. Obviously they are just sweeping it under the rug.

And yet RMT continues without hardly a hitch. I applaud the GM's efforts burst the same I can't really fault players taking the step to out those involved in RMT to the community (you know, the same way EQ already deals with ninja looters and exploiters) and I can understand their frustration when it appears no progress is being made towards resolving the issue, see Chest v Dinacarl.

I just think I would have handled my post addressing this issue differently as it comes off as Sirken being more concerned about protecting the identity of outed RMT scum.

[Duckwalk]

*but at the same time

Damnyouautocorrect

[Glenzig]

And yet RMT continues without hardly a hitch. I applaud the GM's efforts burst the same I can't really fault players taking the step to out those involved in RMT to the community (you know, the same way EQ already deals with ninja looters and exploiters) and I can understand their frustration when it appears no progress is being made towards resolving the issue, see Chest v Dinacarl.

I just think I would have handled my post addressing this issue differently as it comes off as Sirken being more concerned about protecting the identity of outed RMT scum.

Chest v Dinacarl has literally nothing to do with RMT. And how do you know how much RMT goes on? Obviously there will always be some, but you make it sound like 3/4 of the server (excluding you of course) are buying up RMT plat. If you have the proof petition it to the staff. Plastering posts full of forum violations does nothing.

[Duckwalk]

Up your reading comprehension, clearly I referenced Chest v Dinacarl in regards to players getting frustrated at lack of progress/transparency and posting outside of petition forums.

Regarding how much RMT goes on, do you even read RnF? Do I need to quit your own post citing 400 account banned or link threads discussing Nizzar's recent banning and the extent of his known RMT? Are you really naive enough to think the same minority is going to farm the EXACT SAME CONTENT EVERY NIGHT FOR 3+ years?

Newsflash, people get bored and move on unless they have something to gain from it. There is a reason TMO and Nihilium have a revolving door of players aide from a small minority of "core members".

And in reference to your accusation, "you make it sound like 3/4 of the server (excluding you of course) are buy up RMT plat", I fully encourage you or the GM to examine my accounts. I hope you enjoy finding a 54 monk with a FBSS and IFS, a Iksar Regen BP on an alt Bard (cannibalized from RL friends 54 Shaman he duoed with my monk) and maybe 3k plat on assorted lowbie alts representing the sum total of me and RL friend's "investment" into P99.

However, the fact that I no longer participate in end game Everquest doesn't mean I can't call out retards like you who have bought into the current system and happily swing from th nuts of the scumbags who quite literally ruin the server.

[Glenzig]

Up your reading comprehension, clearly I referenced Chest v Dinacarl in regards to players getting frustrated at lack of progress/transparency and posting outside of petition forums.

Regarding how much RMT goes on, do you even read RnF? Do I need to quit your own post citing 400 account banned or link threads discussing Nizzar's recent banning and the extent of his known RMT? Are you really naive enough to think the same minority is going to farm the EXACT SAME CONTENT EVERY NIGHT FOR 3+ years?

Newsflash, people get bored and move on unless they have something to gain from it. There is a reason TMO and Nihilium have a revolving door of players aide from a small minority of "core members".

And in reference to your accusation, "you make it sound like 3/4 of the server (excluding you of course) are buy up RMT plat", I fully encourage you or the GM to examine my accounts. I hope you enjoy finding a 54 monk with a FBSS and IFS, a Iksar Regen BP on an alt Bard (cannibalized from RL friends 54 Shaman he duoed with my monk) and maybe 3k plat on assorted lowbie alts representing the sum total of me and RL friend's "investment" into P99.

However, the fact that I no longer participate in end game Everquest doesn't mean I can't call out retards like you who have bought into the current system and happily swing from th nuts of the scumbags who quite literally ruin the server.

Oh yeah. I raid all the time. Currently unguilded and have about 5-6 hours a week to play p99. I'm real worried about that whole raid scene.

[Glenzig]

Bighurb is back.

[Lazie]

Up your reading comprehension, clearly I referenced Chest v Dinacarl in regards to players getting frustrated at lack of progress/transparency and posting outside of petition forums.

Regarding how much RMT goes on, do you even read RnF? Do I need to quit your own post citing 400 account banned or link threads discussing Nizzar's recent banning and the extent of his known RMT? Are you really naive enough to think the same minority is going to farm the EXACT SAME CONTENT EVERY NIGHT FOR 3+ years?

Newsflash, people get bored and move on unless they have something to gain from it. There is a reason TMO and Nihilium have a revolving door of players aide from a small minority of "core members".

And in reference to your accusation, "you make it sound like 3/4 of the server (excluding you of course) are buy up RMT plat", I fully encourage you or the GM to examine my accounts. I hope you enjoy finding a 54 monk with a FBSS and IFS, a Iksar Regen BP on an alt Bard (cannibalized from RL friends 54 Shaman he duoed with my monk) and maybe 3k plat on assorted lowbie alts representing the sum total of me and RL friend's "investment" into P99.

However, the fact that I no longer participate in end game Everquest doesn't mean I can't call out retards like you who have bought into the current system and happily swing from th nuts of the scumbags who quite literally ruin the server.

You really think there hasn't been transparency ? Just about every time a big crack down on RMT or Exploits happens it gets a thread. Every time a guild gets suspended from raiding it gets a thread explaining why the decision was made. They don't owe you the inner workings of how they investigate it or find out about it. They don't owe you updates on anything they are looking into either. It is their process and their time invested and it is usually as transparent as it needs to be.

[Duckwalk]

Oh yeah. I raid all the time. Currently unguilded and have about 5-6 hours a week to play p99. I'm real worried about that whole raid scene.

Then you literally have no basis for commenting on this subject.

[Lictor]

Not sure what is worse an anime avatar or jack black, hmm perhaps gaffin has the answers!

[Glenzig]

Then you literally have no basis for commenting on this subject.

Oh ok. Sound logic. Very good argument.

[Duckwalk]

You really think there hasn't been transparency ? Just about every time a big crack down on RMT or Exploits happens it gets a thread. Every time a guild gets suspended from raiding it gets a thread explaining why the decision was made. They don't owe you the inner workings of how they investigate it or find out about it. They don't owe you updates on anything they are looking into either. It is their process and their time invested and it is usually as transparent as it needs to be.

I agree there is an effort to be transparent. More so I think it's an issue with the policy of banning the account not the player.

[Glenzig]

I agree there is an effort to be transparent. More so I think it's an issue with the policy of banning the account not the player.

^^^ Has no idea what posted on top of the page.

[Duckwalk]

^^^ has no idea that original post was made in reference to those posting RL info, not RMT.

You claim you don't raid, play that often or care about raid scene and yet you're weighing in regarding RMT and the direct effect it has on the raid scene? Get the fuck out here clown.

Clearly time to take Sirken's advice.

[Lictor]

You claim you don't raid, play that often or care about raid scene and yet you're weighing in regarding RMT and the direct effect it has on the raid scene? Get the fuck out here clown.


Sounds like jack black is a prime candidate to purchase plat! Casual player, not enough time to raid or acquire gear. No wonder he defends RMT.
/young detective off

[Glenzig]

Sounds like jack black is a prime candidate to purchase plat! Casual player, not enough time to raid or acquire gear. No wonder he defends RMT.
/young detective off

Uh oh. The jig is up! Cheese it its the fuzz!!!

[radditsu]

Bust Rmt users to get them to buy more stuff.

[Sirken]

Clearly time to take Sirken's advice.
sig worthy ^

[Mac Drettj]

RED TOO?

[Duckwalk]

RED TOO?

Naw, Nizzar an upstanding member of the community and clearly beyond reproach.

I'd also like to congratulate him on already hitting 60 after having all his account banned not even a week ago and wish him luck on replacing the set of Ragefire gear he was power leveled in with BiS.

[Mac Drettj]

Naw, Nizzar an upstanding member of the community and clearly beyond reproach.

I'd also like to congratulate him on already hitting 60 after having all his account banned not even a week ago and wish him luck on replacing the set of Ragefire gear he was power leveled in with BiS.

ill pass on ur congrats

the duke will be pleased

but srsly, red99 isnt even about everquest anymore

[Rivthis]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken


Wow Sirken goes the way of the Taliban.

If you fuck up (on purpose in this case), your friends, family, and co-wokers(guildies in this case) are getting fucked over too.

Don't be a fucktard, everyone around you is depending on you.

[Mezzmur]

Wow Sirken goes the way of the Taliban.

If you fuck up (on purpose in this case), your friends, family, and co-wokers(guildies in this case) are getting fucked over too.

Don't be a fucktard, everyone around you is depending on you.

TMO Suspended for a single person training with 1 person in zone on a non-target day.

Can't have your cock and eat it too!

Sirken's application of rules seems reasonable.

[Mezzmur]

TMO Suspended for a single person training with 1 person in zone on a non-target day.

Can't have your cock and eat it too!

Sirken's application of rules seems reasonable.

^5 TMO in zone.

[Duckwalk]

Also they trained a "raid" as defined by PnP as multiple groups working together for a common goal.

Apparently that army of TMO alts can individually train others raids all day long and avoid guild wide repercussions despite the fact it directly benefits their guild.

However it's only an intangible benefit along the lines of say...TMO sniping only certain armor dropping mobs to prevent rival guilds from gearing vital classes.

[Lazie]

Also they trained a "raid" as defined by PnP as multiple groups working together for a common goal.

Apparently that army of TMO alts can individually train others raids all day long and avoid guild wide repercussions despite the fact it directly benefits their guild.

However it's only an intangible benefit along the lines of say...TMO sniping only certain armor dropping mobs to prevent rival guilds from gearing vital classes.

:rolleyes:

[Rivthis]

TMO Suspended for a single person training with 1 person in zone on a non-target day.

Can't have your cock and eat it too!

Sirken's application of rules seems reasonable.

You are in the wrong thread, this is about posting RL info about RMTers, not some cock twirling fest in fear 2 weeks ago.

[Duckwalk]

:rolleyes:

Dismissing this fact instead of being embarrassed by it.

Keep it classy.

Just shows what kind of lowlife scum aspire to "compete" in free to play version of 15 year old game.

[Lazie]

Dismissing this fact instead of being embarrassed by it.

Keep it classy.

Just shows what kind of lowlife scum aspire to "compete" in free to play version of 15 year old game.

When you post a fact I will reply to it.

[Glenzig]

So now the truth comes out. This was never about RMTing. It was about embarrassing certain people from a certain guild with RL info. Otherwise the conversation wouldn't have been swayed back into the direction of the training incident.

[Mezzmur]

You are in the wrong thread, this is about posting RL info about RMTers, not some cock twirling fest in fear 2 weeks ago.

It's the same thing.

RMT Issue Application of Rules One Way == Makes People Mad.

Training Issues Application of Rules Same Way == Makes People Happy.

--

TMO was crapped on by an individual member; RMT/RL Posters Should be shit on by association as well.

TLDR Sirken is applying the same logic and rules equally. That is the point of my post, it has nothing to do with cock twirling.

[Duckwalk]

If I was mistaken regarding TMO sniping specific mobs in fear and hate the I apologize and I'll let your guild get back to its important work of killing dragons for the Nth time (because we certainly don't want Chest to get them and your 5th alt NEEDS that upgrade).

Also it's unreasonable to expect welfare to cover both electricity AND drugs.






Yeah, I threw all the stereotypes in there.

[Duckwalk]

So now the truth comes out. This was never about RMTing. It was about embarrassing certain people from a certain guild with RL info. Otherwise the conversation wouldn't have been swayed back into the direction of the training incident.

Wtf are you talking about. Go away

[Lazie]

If I was mistaken regarding TMO sniping specific mobs in fear and hate the I apologize and I'll let your guild get back to its important work of killing dragons for the Nth time (because we certainly don't want Chest to get them and your 5th alt NEEDS that upgrade).

Also it's unreasonable to expect welfare to cover both electricity AND drugs.






Yeah, I threw all the stereotypes in there.

You just continue to be misinformed. It's quite entertaining to read your inaccurate theories however. I would spend time correcting your ignorance, but if High School didn't do it I am sure it is more work than I want to sign on for.

[Tecmos Deception]

Anybody want to play p99 tonight? I will come with 60 ench, cle, or wiz.

[Glenzig]

Anybody want to play p99 tonight? I will come with 60 ench, cle, or wiz.

NO! We're busy flinging poop.

[Mezzmur]

Anybody want to play p99 tonight? I will come with 60 ench, cle, or wiz.

Camp me Rotting Skele, I pay you 10k.

[Duckwalk]

You just continue to be misinformed. It's quite entertaining to read your inaccurate theories however. I would spend time correcting your ignorance, but if High School didn't do it I am sure it is more work than I want to sign on for.

And what theory is that? That P99 is plagued by RMT operations which are most notably linked (both past and present) to the leadership of premier raiding guilds on Red and Blue? That TMO has a long history of going out of their way to deny pixels to rival guilds? Or that TMO and Nihilium harbor a disproportional number of the servers drug addicts and welfare queens (please don't make me quote Tiggles talking about TMO members being unable to afford a new keyboard).

Take your pick, I'll wait.

[Duckwalk]

Basically it boils down to this, you're either too new or too bad to have been in TMO before this.

Deny all you want, I understand you need to earn DKP on the TMO spin squad so that next item doesn't mysteriously disappear from the guild bank because you didn't have the points.

[Lazie]

And what theory is that? That P99 is plagued by RMT operations which are most notably linked (both past and present) to the leadership of premier raiding guilds on Red and Blue? That TMO has a long history of going out of their way to deny pixels to rival guilds? Or that TMO and Nihilium harbor a disproportional number of the servers drug addicts and welfare queens (please don't make me quote Tiggles talking about TMO members being unable to afford a new keyboard).

Take your pick, I'll wait.

You get trolled way too easily. It's sad really. No one is denied anything on the server. It just takes effort and no it doesn't take losing your job/being on welfare. Mobs have short windows and spawn mostly on the weekend at this point. Feel free to continue to be ignorant though I am sure others are entertained.

[Duckwalk]

The fact that you think the last couple months on Blue is indicative of TMO and the server as a whole just lends credence to my previous post; too new or too bad.

But don't worry, we can pretend you were trolling me the entire time.

[Mac Drettj]

Who Posted?
Total Posts: 78
User Name Posts
Duckwalk 16

who are you and why are you spamming

[Duckwalk]

Not surprised you don't know what 'disproportionate' means as I clearly never suggested welfare or drug abuse was a requisite to end game success.

Altari/Jeremy, y'all need to whip your spin squad into shape. These clowns sullying your good name.

[Lazie]

The fact that you think the last couple months on Blue is indicative of TMO and the server as a whole just lends credence to my previous post; too new or too bad.

But don't worry, we can pretend you were trolling me the entire time.

No that is the flaw in your thinking for many reasons. TMO has had a change of leadership and a large influx of players that weren't in the guild before. You trying to say TMO now is the same as TMO in the past is the Fallacy that you should come to terms with. I never claimed to troll you (Again you not understanding context of a conversation). The things you mentioned in a previous comment were actual trolls trolling you that you took as fact.

[Champion_Standing]

+1 for duckwalk rippin it up in here

[mcy]

It was a TMO member acting solely on his own, remember? I am starting to see a trend in the use of that concept.

And here's the infiltrator being outed:

http://www.project1999.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-73429.html

hurrr durrr no. I was never in TMO. There was a tmo hacker and he was definitely into more than just the members forum as he knew they were trying to crown me leader before I even heard about it. His game alias started with a "N" . As usual the lying shit heads in here from tmo are being purposely obtuse.

[Duckwalk]

"New TMO"? New clean whistled members?

I guess we're ignoring the entire foundation upon which OP was built. Retard.

No one has ever suggested its the scrub minions that make up the cogs of the TMO machine who run the RMT.

And regardless of whether Tiggles was trolling or not there are many many other examples of poverty and drug abuse but good job grasping a random recent rumor I threw out as the crux of your argument.

Take TMOs cock out of your mouth and realize for a second that you don't have to defend the guilds every action, especially when it involves disputing the fact that TMO leadership has been intimately involved in the majority of RMT on the server.

[Lictor]

TMO has had a change of leadership and a large influx of players that weren't in the guild before. You trying to say TMO now is the same as TMO in the past is the Fallacy that you should come to terms with.

Wasn't all this drama started by allegations of the new tmo officer involvement in RMT? Even an alarti, "prove it?", would have been better than contradicting yourself in two consecutive sentences.

[DeruIsLove]

TMO wants to turn a game into real life.

Am I seriously the only one who's happy someone decided to turn TMO's 'lives' (stretch of the word) into a game?

[NegaStoat]

+1 for duckwalk rippin it up in here

I was thinking the same thing. I've honestly been curious as to how the server staff interacts with the premier guilds farming the most expensive content, and mutually working towards RMT being reduced. Doing research on past posts, bans that stick, and taking a spin on the RMT site(s) themselves leave me less than confident with the situation.

Go, duckwalk, go.

[Ungriim]

Sirken is just super agro that his name might come up on PayPal logs

[Sckrilla]

Lots of IB birdies whispering on about how Sirken will be "stepping down" from his current position in the very-near future! Will definitely stir the pot up if true!


......or not.

[Fame]

shitshow99, turn off blue and let these faggets grow up a little on red.

[mtb tripper]

shitshow99, turn off blue and let these faggets grow up a little on red.

[Brad_mo123]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken

Did you just have a fit? lol.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken

LOL.

Shit dawg, you have terrible consistency and make some of the dumbest calls I've ever seen.

I'll be in Chicago in two weeks, come hang out and I'll teach you everything you need to know about crime and punishment.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

sure thing nerd, bring your latest mq2 build

I'm fuckin' loading it right now.

But on a serious note, you're excessively heavy handed when it comes to doling out punishments, and it makes you a spectacle of ridicule.

Yeah bro, command that respect through fear and iron clad tyranny, and you're calling me a nerd; when on baseline I'm the most stable, reasonable, and neutral person in this thread.

The fact that everything on this server is meted out with a ban is a testament that this isn't exactly a fun project as it was in 2009-2010 but has warped into some lawyerquest bullshit, where every mob comes with a court order and the protocol is ban first ask questions later.

You're ruining these lands, not me.

[Ungriim]

sure thing nerd, bring your latest mq2 build

Says the guy doing his last streaming interview because he's getting canned with another virgin nerd who cybers a blimp on a 15 year old elf emulator ...to someone who hacks a server on the side for 15 minutes a week

[quido]

Supremacy seems a little rustled.

[Truth Bringer]

Can I have my Autotune account back now Sirken? Totally unwarranted and I miss all my profile views.

[Truth Bringer]

Also, I don't like being anon, I can't mess with people the same way.

[Lazie]

Wasn't all this drama started by allegations of the new tmo officer involvement in RMT? Even an alarti, "prove it?", would have been better than contradicting yourself in two consecutive sentences.

No. Last thing I will say to someone who seems to enjoy childlike porn.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

I keep Norrath fresh and entertaining, people need a break every now and then from Derubael and Sirken throwing out bans for minor transgressions.

But that is the P99 ban complex, by utilizing permabands heavily as opposed to warnings and moderate suspensions; it forces neck beards to RMT for plat to plvl and re-gear, since gear is 99% of the EQ experience a banned account can cost a player hundreds of real life dollars.

Bans go out harshly cause those Visa's hit Platlord and Supremacy's bank accounts so fast and hard, it creates a ridiculous surge in demand. Rogean and pals are indirectly responsible for this, and the new rules to raiding create that artificial scarcity as well.

Everything the staff does funnels money into RMT, which gets funneled into donations, the RMT screens that catch and ban players are simply removing big time buyers that the staff KNOWS will buy again thus funneling in more money.


It's a fucking CCA racket man.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

I know you are (probably) just kidding, but this is your first/last/only warning about this. Don't speak poorly about our development staff, even if you're just joking around.. These guys bust their ass on a daily basis not only working on Velious, but keeping up with current bugs as well. All while maintaining real lives - jobs, girlfriends/wives, kids, etc. You do them a disservice by calling them slackers.

Shit like this also makes me lol.. "busting their ass" cause typing in queries like: select * from TABLE where TABLE.name like "%variable%"; and just bulk editing a handful of NPC's is difficult right?

10% of the work is probably on coding and running the queries, the other 90% is basically the devs doing google searches on old NPC's which is hardly ball busting; and to imply these people are losing massive amounts of work time and or family time is highly laughable...

Rogean is what? Network Administrator for his job, so he spends what 6 hours out of his day sitting in the office or driving around, and maybe the last two hours doing back-ups and fixing WAN's? shit maybe get a bit hard for him once every month during a penetration test and that takes less than an hour?

He also isn't married and doesn't have kids, and he barely logs the fuck in anyways, so most of his time is spent polishing his whip and playing Star Wars.

I know several other developers past and present on this project were effectively unemployed or on SNAP benefits, if they weren't fixing Guk loot tables, they'd be pounding their meat sticks all up on websites like Plenty of Fish and OkCupid.

but according to you bro, they're overworked, time-constrained, altruists lololol

[Ungriim]

I keep Norrath fresh and entertaining, people need a break every now and then from Derubael and Sirken throwing out bans for minor transgressions.

But that is the P99 ban complex, by utilizing permabands heavily as opposed to warnings and moderate suspensions; it forces neck beards to RMT for plat to plvl and re-gear, since gear is 99% of the EQ experience a banned account can cost a player hundreds of real life dollars.

Bans go out harshly cause those Visa's hit Platlord and Supremacy's bank accounts so fast and hard, it creates a ridiculous surge in demand. Rogean and pals are indirectly responsible for this, and the new rules to raiding create that artificial scarcity as well.

Everything the staff does funnels money into RMT, which gets funneled into donations, the RMT screens that catch and ban players are simply removing big time buyers that the staff KNOWS will buy again thus funneling in more money.


It's a fucking CCA racket man.

SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Going to ruin my racket! This publicity from the GMs gets me more emails a day than anything

[Colgate]

the assertion that the staff puts in a ton of work into the server makes me laugh pretty hard given the pace at which things happen around here

[abacab-bansdontwork]

the assertion that the staff puts in a ton of work into the server makes me laugh pretty hard given the pace at which things happen around here

Dawg, most of the staff is unemployed or under-employed, to them google searching allakhazam from 2001 using web caches is hard work.

It's the same mentality that teenagers have that think doing the dishes is hard work because it takes away their iphone and porn spanking time.

[Lictor]

No. Last thing I will say to someone who seems to enjoy childlike porn.

Please find a quote from my 40 ish posts stating that I support child pornography. Here is a hint, there is not one.

[Ungriim]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

Im not sure who is more flattered - Uthgaard for seeing a young Uthgaard, or WhiteKnight for having them both come out?

[Kekephee]

I dunno, maybe it's because I can't even do things like edit whatever that file is that you're supposed to do some shit in to enable logs to always be on, but I can't imagine having to code this shit. It took me like an hour to figure out how to use imgur. Computers are fucking hard. I don't understand this shit at all and I look at this huge world of polygons and try to imagine what it must take to put it together and I'm impressed.

[Colgate]

sirken issuing a blacklist against people who post a few nerds' real life info on the rants and flames forum but not against someone like nizzar who is objectively 1000x more destructive to their project also very laughable

[Lictor]

No. Last thing I will say to someone who seems to enjoy childlike porn.

Further you deny this all started with unbrella allegetions of RMT? I know random things got deleted inbetween working Tuesday, but I was fairly confident that was the catalyst. Please correct me if I am wrong oh blind regime follower.

[Duckwalk]

I feel so dirty agreeing with abacab.

No. Last thing I will say to someone who seems to enjoy childlike porn.

And wtf is this shit? Because he has a cartoon avatar of a young girl you automatically assume its kiddie porn instead of a well known character from a popular action anime? I mesn its clearly not sexaulized in any way. Rather I think it's just you being so thoroughly embarrassed throughout this thread that you've regressed to copying Tiggles bit regarding Deru and his fetishes.

I know you're new and you desparetly want to fit in but until you stop mindlessly regurgitating what you assume the guild talking points regarding a particular subject will be you should sit down and shut the fuck up while we discuss the blatant corruption on this server.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

In my experience, the removal of anonymity is an extremely effective deterrent against people being pieces of shit. Just ask supreme.

http://i44.tinypic.com/nz0wfc.jpg

[abacab-bansdontwork]

I feel so dirty agreeing with abacab.

I've always been the guiding light of truth, justice and fairness; Mithaniel Marr blessed me himself.

[Duckwalk]

sirken issuing a blacklist against people who post a few nerds' real life info on the rants and flames forum but not against someone like nizzar who is objectively 1000x more destructive to their project also very laughable

This. A thousand times this.

Breaking an arbitrary rule on forums where most egregious offenders names are already so far removed from the originals most people assume your an anon account if you don't list character names in sig.

Policing forums for game = srs buznis

Policing actual game = meh

[abacab-bansdontwork]

I'm proud to have released those photos to the dregs of the server.

Fact is, for as much as the current staff seems to fear the posting of IRL info (I believe was mainly propagated by Amelinda getting butthurt over people learning where she mailed her fucking marhsmallows from), making shit get real was the only thing that stopped real server threats, like the DDoSers, and the owners of the first RMT website.

It's not even illegal to post IRL info, because most if not all of it is public domain.

Half the photos, emails, addresses have already been posted a thousand times from all over the web; from Myspace to Battlestar Galactica fanfic forums.

[Sirken]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

<3

[Lictor]

And wtf is this shit? Because he has a cartoon avatar of a young girl you automatically assume its kiddie porn instead of a well known character from a popular action anime? I mesn its clearly not sexaulized in any way. Rather I think it's just you being so thoroughly embarrassed throughout this thread that you've regressed to copying Tiggles bit regarding Deru and his fetishes.

I know you're new and you desparetly want to fit in but until you stop mindlessly regurgitating what you assume the guild talking points regarding a particular subject will be you should sit down and shut the fuck up while we discuss the blatant corruption on this server.

Oh it's the avatar? I did not think of that. So having an anime pic of the evil chick in kill la kill, who is never drawn even with cleavage = child porn. That is a wide sweeping stereotype. Another wide sweeping stereotype is all TMO = RMT.

I think you would disagree with the second stereotype, as do I, yet you blindly defend it without looking into the argument of the other side. Contradiction number 3 in just two posts Lazie. Congrats to you.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Shut up Sirken.

Uthgaard a certified Biochemist, you work at Kinkos.

[Estolcles]

In my experience, the removal of anonymity is an extremely effective deterrent against people being pieces of shit.

And this is why I despise the "Chan" type websites. Nothing but assholes setting the human race back millenias.

[a_gnoll_pup]

this isn't watch_dogs

this is a 15 year old elf simulator

[abacab-bansdontwork]

People are pieces of shit.

Remember the Raren memes? His cousin sold him out and gave me all of his personal info for a character rename of 1 letter difference.

Zyvixious lol.

Raren blamed me, but everyone knows the Cab doesn't snitch.

[Estolcles]

People are pieces of shit.

Remember the Raren memes?

Raren Memes was the highpoint of RNF's illustrious history.

[Estolcles]

Oh it's the avatar? I did not think of that. So having an anime pic of the evil chick in kill la kill, who is never drawn even with cleavage = child porn. That is a wide sweeping stereotype.

I still don't get how lolicon is illegal, but shotacon isn't.

I'm blaming the Catholic church.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

http://www.archdemons.com/twilight/Nick%20Items/EQ/Raren-wants-fight-Uthgaard-wants-Street-Addy.jpg

[Lictor]

Laws regulating privacy on the Internet are a complete hodge podge of courts trying to apply various out of date IP/privacy statutes to specific facts, and judges trying to fit a round peg in a square hole. It creates terrible precedent. So much so that the school I graduated from created attempted to form an "Internet law" course back in 2011. Yet they could not recruit any active practitioners to teach a total grey area.

This is not the area I practice in, but I suspect not much has changed since 2011 knowing how slow litigation, further, appellate litigation takes to actually create binding precedent takes.

[Estolcles]

I was seriously concerned I was going to push him to suicide.

BUt did you succeed? THAT is the question.

[DeruIsLove]

Oh it's the avatar? I did not think of that. So having an anime pic of the evil chick in kill la kill, who is never drawn even with cleavage = child porn. That is a wide sweeping stereotype. Another wide sweeping stereotype is all TMO = RMT.

I think you would disagree with the second stereotype, as do I, yet you blindly defend it without looking into the argument of the other side. Contradiction number 3 in just two posts Lazie. Congrats to you.

That's KLK? I had assumed it was pony crap. Not that KLK isn't crap.

[jooo]

Shit like this also makes me lol.. "busting their ass" cause typing in queries like: select * from TABLE where TABLE.name like "%variable%"; and just bulk editing a handful of NPC's is difficult right?

10% of the work is probably on coding and running the queries, the other 90% is basically the devs doing google searches on old NPC's which is hardly ball busting; and to imply these people are losing massive amounts of work time and or family time is highly laughable...

Rogean is what? Network Administrator for his job, so he spends what 6 hours out of his day sitting in the office or driving around, and maybe the last two hours doing back-ups and fixing WAN's? shit maybe get a bit hard for him once every month during a penetration test and that takes less than an hour?

He also isn't married and doesn't have kids, and he barely logs the fuck in anyways, so most of his time is spent polishing his whip and playing Star Wars.

I know several other developers past and present on this project were effectively unemployed or on SNAP benefits, if they weren't fixing Guk loot tables, they'd be pounding their meat sticks all up on websites like Plenty of Fish and OkCupid.

but according to you bro, they're overworked, time-constrained, altruists lololol

hahahhahahah

"GIVE US RESPECT OR WE WILL BAN YOU"

fucking nerd

[abacab-bansdontwork]

BUt did you succeed? THAT is the question.

Naw

Raren making black friends and attending college

Life pgoog for the R-Man

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t1.0-9/10296874_783249268375298_4367327895155442560_n.jpg

[Lictor]

That's KLK? I had assumed it was pony crap. Not that KLK isn't crap.

You know you have the main character on a pillow somewhere.

[Lictor]

What happened was the dude had the reading comprehension of a low functioning autistic, googled texas laws, found a law that vaguely addressed the posting of an address on the internet. What he failed to comprehend, was that it was about using someone else's address as if it was your own (identity theft).

It was more funny than anything. Especially when he had to go explain to his boss why he was using work computers to threaten to rain down DDoS vengeance on people running a free video game.

Haha, must have been before me time here. Old and non relevant texas statutes does make it more humorous.

[jooo]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken

no you wont

[jooo]

***.

Listen to this nerd, comes to the forums to blab about nothing.

Unless you have source to release than go home.

You were a stupid fuck GM who would harass the playerbase if they didn't give you respect.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Uthgaard brought me to Chardok once to train out IB/TMO scum, because they were camp-stealing.

Like literally ported me, gave me sow and aego and told me to fuck shit up.

[Truth Bringer]

Yeah this was 2011. Before DDoS protection was on the server. Before many modern customer service tools existed. Before many major plat dupes and exploits had been shored up. Before they realized that they over-valued bad PR from offsite forums. It was very much a frontier setting.

The old threads are still out there somewhere. Most people had no idea what it took to maintain order. Tiggles was a level 25 mage who was nothing on the server. I had no GM tools at that point, but I had the ability to ban and unban people.

I made a few deals with people who had been caught 2boxing, allowing them to get a few items off of the banned characters in exchange for a character (character selling was a legit thing at the time).

I set Tiggles up with a level 60 rogue, in exchange he would act as a plant to infiltrate TMO and find the DDoSers. We had a few other techniques and resources for locating and neutralizing threats that go far beyond what people realize. RMT was a big threat to the server, because SOE was tentatively OK with P99, so long as no profit was made.

But the guy who ran the server's first plat selling website thought he was slick shit, making tons of money by exploiting the trust of his guildmates. Technically couldn't do anything without affecting half of the server's population that he had conned... until he found his bank accounts frozen and his utilities shut off. Never heard from him again after I used his real name, think he put 2 and 2 together.

But I went just as far to help people who needed it. I sat in north karana for three days in between petitions using a forage skill of 50 to do a reimbursement for a stack of plains pebbles once, when I didn't have GM abilities.

Sometimes it takes a criminal to enforce the law in a lawless frontier.

Uthgaard would give me back my Autotune forum account.

[Lazie]

I feel so dirty agreeing with abacab.



And wtf is this shit? Because he has a cartoon avatar of a young girl you automatically assume its kiddie porn instead of a well known character from a popular action anime? I mesn its clearly not sexaulized in any way. Rather I think it's just you being so thoroughly embarrassed throughout this thread that you've regressed to copying Tiggles bit regarding Deru and his fetishes.

I know you're new and you desparetly want to fit in but until you stop mindlessly regurgitating what you assume the guild talking points regarding a particular subject will be you should sit down and shut the fuck up while we discuss the blatant corruption on this server.

Yeah Jimmies rustled extremely.

[Tasslehofp99]

mind blown

[abacab-bansdontwork]

Uthgaard never paid me in toons, even though I was in the dupe underbelly alongside Phib (sql injectors) and knew the phone numbers and private of info from Phib to Abyss to Platlord.

[Autotune]

I feel bad almost, because TMO wasn't that hard to get into back then (well I don't think it was ever really that difficult to get in actually).

I hope he didn't actually come up with a backstory.

[abacab-bansdontwork]

I think Tiggles should be retroactively banned for RMT

[Strifer]

First Contact:

http://puu.sh/9yLDj/1379ae6e23.png

The good old days:

Werds

Interesting read, its like Tiggles:Origins. Also Uthgaard 2014; Bring the Winter

[Autotune]

No backstory was necessary. Just gear. And yeah, at that point, TMO was an entirely different entity than the TMO known today.

There were times when Beovvulf would go around giving random people guild invites. Like, 10-20 new people would just pop up in guildchat every so often.

[Autotune]

I'm glad you attempted to find my penis. Because all of this was posted later on in that same thread on pages 30-45 or so.

Who would have thought your dick shadow would bring everything back full circle years later?

[Skywarp]

So basically Tiggles is a snitch.

[Tiggles]

Hey guys....

What's going on in this thread?

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/jeremysad.jpg

[Autotune]

Hey guys....

What's going on in this thread?

Work your magic and get my necro 20 levels, his epic, his vp staff, his PD loot, his DMF robe, his haste boots, and about 300k.

TMO kinda owes me.

[Tiggles]

Work your magic and get my necro 20 levels, his epic, his vp staff, his PD loot, his DMF robe, his haste boots, and about 300k.

TMO kinda owes me.

Kinda your fault bro!

I'll make you a deal you make nice with Jeremy and get invited back into TMO, and I'll talk with the staff about getting Stealin unbanned.

Guild needs more old heads

[Autotune]

Kinda your fault bro!

I'll make you a deal you make nice with Jeremy and get invited back into TMO, and I'll talk with the staff about getting Stealin unbanned.

Guild needs more old heads

Stealin isn't getting unbanned. It would be seen as favoritism now that they've stopped unbanning people for those type of things.

Also, Jeremy and I were never on nice terms, we just tolerated each other. I don't bend my knee to him nor do I recognize his authority and I think that causes problems, but other than that he is like my 25th favorite barbarian shaman player.

[quido]

I seem to remember Stealin leaving of his own accord.

[quido]

My problems with Stealin never extended further than him being an insufferable faggot. I defended his position in TMO when others called for his ouster despite not really wanting him around personally. I know he can be a productive and valued member of a guild when he wants, I just don't think he's wanted to do so for a few years now.

[Autotune]

I seem to remember Stealin leaving of his own accord.

I gave the account up to a guild mate, but apparently I flagged it during my drunken drug addicted sleepless escapades when I returned to just shoot the crap and see how FE was fairing against TMO in raids. I really don't remember running it on p99, just using it on whatever that custom server was that had the 3 different custom classes per EQ class Varlyndria? or something? that had bots you had to control. I thought I deleted it when I deleted the EQ folder that went with the other custom servers (the GoD install or whatever it was). However, alcohol&drugs + stress = mistakes.

Anyhow. Yeah, I gave the account up and stopped playing (for the 4th or 5th time in my p99 career) and apparently flagged it for MQ (as well as a goremaw account that was loaned to me). It took me forever to get that info as well due to Ephi being shady towards me.

[Autotune]

My problems with Stealin never extended further than him being an insufferable faggot. I defended his position in TMO when others called for his ouster despite not really wanting him around personally. I know he can be a productive and valued member of a guild when he wants, I just don't think he's wanted to do so for a few years now.

I haven't felt like playing since IB left for EQmac, so you're not wrong about that. I also know that several TMO people wanted me out long before that and only a few higher ups in TMO would never of let it happen. Trolling the guild members always earned Tiggles and I such a bad rep.

[Hailto]

Stealin, you still playing D3 man? I haven't been on in awhile, waiting for ladders.

[Gaffin 7.0]

ephi pure faggot anyway glad he's gone

[Autotune]

Stealin, you still playing D3 man? I haven't been on in awhile, waiting for ladders.

Same.

[Tiggles]

I forgot I spent all my old play character's cash to help get his gear up to par.

It's funny because I bought that FBSS from Stealin and then got a haste belt in sky 5 minutes later.

[Autotune]

It's funny because I bought that FBSS from Stealin and then got a haste belt in sky 5 minutes later.

True story, I remember all the platinums I had to give up after being forced to carry it around for the duration of the SKY raid because someone didn't want to be burdened with their own money.

[Glenzig]

Well there goes this thread.

[doyoueventrainbro]

RIP thread.

I wonder if this Umbrella RMT scandal is why he is no longer posting on behalf of TMO in raid discussion. Komodon is now all of a sudden discussing raid changes after umbrella had been for awhile.

Good move by TMO.

[hatelore]

The picture clearly ststes his father plugging in a cord from the benchmark computer of that period, a tandy 1000, or possibly a comadore 64? THE benchmark rmt of that time period.

[Duckwalk]

Yeah Jimmies rustled extremely.

The best part about this thread isn't how embarrassingly pathetic Lazie is (protip: if you're unable to refute a single point your opposition has made and have already been called out for being an unoriginal bandwagoneer you probably shouldn't base your single rebuttal on worn out forum memes).

No, the best part is when all the old stories started coming out and all the old guard/TMO/Tiggles threw their two cents in, reminiscing over past glories, they touch on basically every major complaint previously voiced in this thread:

-casual references to drug abuse
-casual references to poverty/unemployment/welfare
-suspect relationship between players and staff, "I'll talk to staff about getting Stealin unbanned"
-lack of GM resolve/favoritism regarding rule breaking (welcome back Autotune)

This server is so corrupt. Not that it really matters but the casual player should at least know what they are getting into before they invest massive amounts of time into it.

Sadly this thread will most likely get deleted any time now because its imperative to protect real life information (regardless of authenticity) of alleged real money trader.

Stay classy P99.

[hatelore]

This is only news to people who still don't have geico and live under a rock~

[Glenzig]

This server is so corrupt. Not that it really matters but the casual player should at least know what they are getting into before they invest massive amounts of time into it.

A casual player won't invest massive amounts of time into this game.

[Duckwalk]

This is only news to people who still don't have geico and live under a rock~

What does a new player see?

A front page extolling the efforts of noble GMs to combat the RMT scourge. Specific rule sets regarding every aspect of EQ including camp rights, training, pvp, raiding and exploiting. A GM staff, employed specifically to enforce said rules.

When a new player comes to the server they inevetiably ask about boxing however there is not boxing on P99, this is a "legit server".

When there is a dispute, new players are told to petition it.

Unfortunately, it isn't until they've invested some serious time into te server that it becomes obvious P99 has the highest per capita rate of couples playing together of any MMO. Or unless its an inconsequential violation, the petition process with be unfairly compromised by a conflict of interest between certain end game raiders and the GMs who are supposed to be unbiased.

In reality it takes the average player a while to realize the facade of integrity and fair play only serves to spur the rotten core of RMT fueling the server.

[Duckwalk]

A casual player won't invest massive amounts of time into this game.

Depends what you call casual and what you consider a massive amount of time.

How long do you think BDA members have invested?

[hatelore]

A casual player won't invest massive amounts of time into this game.

I have always considered you pretty levelheaded judging by rnf standards, but there are casuals on this box that have invested years. Look at bda, highest populated guild on the server, it is a casual raid guild. There are members active that have played for years.


The main thing is, if you love this box, play on it. Nothing in life is without a little bit of corruptness, everyone should have learned this by the time they reached 16. Is p99 a little corrupt? Yes. But its still the best server there is out there. Just play the game for what it is, a game.

[Tiggles]

I forgot I spent all my old play character's cash to help get his gear up to par.

The best part about this thread isn't how embarrassingly pathetic Lazie is (protip: if you're unable to refute a single point your opposition has made and have already been called out for being an unoriginal bandwagoneer you probably shouldn't base your single rebuttal on worn out forum memes).

No, the best part is when all the old stories started coming out and all the old guard/TMO/Tiggles threw their two cents in, reminiscing over past glories, they touch on basically every major complaint previously voiced in this thread:

-casual references to drug abuse
-casual references to poverty/unemployment/welfare
-suspect relationship between players and staff, "I'll talk to staff about getting Stealin unbanned"
-lack of GM resolve/favoritism regarding rule breaking (welcome back Autotune)

This server is so corrupt. Not that it really matters but the casual player should at least know what they are getting into before they invest massive amounts of time into it.

Sadly this thread will most likely get deleted any time now because its imperative to protect real life information (regardless of authenticity) of alleged real money trader.

Stay classy P99.


This man speaks the truth, It's all true.

And nothing you can say will change that. So either get with the program or stop playing.

[Tecmos Deception]

This man speaks the truth, It's all true.

And nothing you can say will change that. So either get with the program or stop playing.

Or just play to have fun and to hell with what other people are doing.

[Tiggles]

Or just play to have fun and to hell with what other people are doing.

^
This works too.

Let the poopsockers shit on each other best to stay out of it.

[Fountree]

This man speaks the truth, It's all true.

And nothing you can say will change that. So either get with the program or stop playing.

why are you still in TMO again? all your friends are gone bud.

[Tiggles]

why are you still in TMO again? all your friends are gone bud.

I don't have friends, I have people who slay dragons with me.

You where an employee not a person.

[Glenzig]

I have always considered you pretty levelheaded judging by rnf standards, but there are casuals on this box that have invested years. Look at bda, highest populated guild on the server, it is a casual raid guild. There are members active that have played for years.


The main thing is, if you love this box, play on it. Nothing in life is without a little bit of corruptness, everyone should have learned this by the time they reached 16. Is p99 a little corrupt? Yes. But its still the best server there is out there. Just play the game for what it is, a game.

True. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of time per week, not an accumulation of time over years. Blanket statements like mine don't really convey their true intent. It was early and I was rushed, my bad.

I absolutely agree, there will always be a little corruption in anything. Even the most noble causes will have their bad eggs and moments of failed integrity.

[hatelore]

I don't have friends, I have people who slay dragons with me.

You where an employee not a person.

Lol, gotta hand it to fatty, sometimes he hits a home run. That was pretty good!

[Fountree]

I don't have friends, I have people who slay dragons with me.

You where an employee not a person.

Well I already kind of knew that. When new leadership came in, that became apparent. Sucks though I thought we were friends. It's "were" btw.

[Derubael]

The best part about this thread isn't how embarrassingly pathetic Lazie is (protip: if you're unable to refute a single point your opposition has made and have already been called out for being an unoriginal bandwagoneer you probably shouldn't base your single rebuttal on worn out forum memes).

No, the best part is when all the old stories started coming out and all the old guard/TMO/Tiggles threw their two cents in, reminiscing over past glories, they touch on basically every major complaint previously voiced in this thread:

-casual references to drug abuse
-casual references to poverty/unemployment/welfare
-suspect relationship between players and staff, "I'll talk to staff about getting Stealin unbanned"
-lack of GM resolve/favoritism regarding rule breaking (welcome back Autotune)

This server is so corrupt. Not that it really matters but the casual player should at least know what they are getting into before they invest massive amounts of time into it.

Sadly this thread will most likely get deleted any time now because its imperative to protect real life information (regardless of authenticity) of alleged real money trader.

Stay classy P99.

If you really feel this is the case, then gtfo. Don't spread your negativity here, just leave.

Everyone knows this server has had a few rocky times in the past, but despite what a handful of hardcore conspiracy theorists think, nobody gets special favortism on this server with the current staff. It's funny because when we let other guilds get off easy on something no one ever hears about it because no one cares. But when TMO gets any hint of leniency the server explodes.

I suppose it comes with the position, but we work our asses off to keep the server running smoothly and fairly. The raid scene is maybe 10% of the CSR work we do here as a staff. And now that we're trying our hardest to take a completely 'hands off' approach and allow players to set sanctions that we will enforce, it's extremely difficult to say that we're biased towards anyone.

Lastly, Tiggles has always been a troll. Ain't nobody giving Tiggles any special treatment nowadays - if you really think he can just waltz up and get an account unbanned for someone, you're incredibly disillusioned.

[Tiggles]

Lastly, Tiggles has always been a troll. Ain't nobody giving Tiggles any special treatment nowadays - if you really think he can just waltz up and get an account unbanned for someone, you're incredibly disillusioned.

If you want that lead GM position when Sirken retires you better play ball Deru. Also way to AFK on us during Beta night.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Lastly, Tiggles has always been a troll. Ain't nobody giving Tiggles any special treatment nowadays - if you really think he can just waltz up and get an account unbanned for someone, you're incredibly disillusioned.

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

[Cistern]

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

careful bro, you might get banned for posting something like this.

[Champion_Standing]

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

[Argh]

Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken.

Sirken has tons of people join him on his stream from various guilds/random folks, Tiggles happened to be on there this week because TMO was doing beta content.

[Fountree]

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

Don't usually agree with Yendor, but wowza this. How's Derubael gonna handle this one cuz that stings lol.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Sirken has tons of people join him on his stream from various guilds/random folks, Tiggles happened to be on there this week because TMO was doing beta content.

Given the other two circumstances, Tiggles is a bad choice for that from the standpoint of players' perceptions.

[Susvain2]

Its simple. Dont believe anything tiggles says in rnf. Hes on sirkens stream cuz hes hilarious and we love him. Just dont believe anything he says here lol

[Tiggles]

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

Didn't hear you complaining when your former guildie Ambrotos gave you guy free Trakanon FTE's then begged Sirken to let it be since he was deploying soon.

Fucking Hypocrite. The staff gives TMO and Me nothing, Just because I talk to them like people and don't treat them like shit like your guild leader chest does doesn't mean they are corrupt.

[Susvain2]

Given the other two circumstances, Tiggles is a bad choice for that from the standpoint of players' perceptions.

You sound like such a little pussy. If you were half as entertaining as tiggles then you would be on sirkens stream

[Fountree]

Didn't hear you complaining when your former guildie Ambrotos gave you guy free Trakanon FTE's then begged Sirken to let it be since he was deploying soon.

Fucking Hypocrite. The staff gives TMO and Me nothing, Just because I talk to them like people and don't treat them like shit like your guild leader chest does doesn't mean they are corrupt.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

I personally think Mazam and the zero tolerance "good guys" need to hear more of your past exploits. They'd be ashamed.

[Tiggles]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DGGcdZ4KYbA/T5FeDLPuJJI/AAAAAAAACKo/2ofTef2oC0w/s640/good-good-let-the-jimmies-rustle-through-you.png

I personally think Mazam and the zero tolerance "good guys" need to hear more of your past exploits. They'd be ashamed.

You do know Rogean changed the account into a Halfling for me? You idiot

[Sirken]

Sirken has tons of people join him on his stream from various guilds/random folks, Tiggles happened to be on there this week because TMO was doing beta content.

And Argh steals the win with common sense at the buzzer!

[Funkutron5000]

And Argh steals the win with common sense at the buzzer!

Post pictures of dunking, pls.

[Splorf22]

The staff gives TMO and Me nothing

Uthgaard gave you your entire character /facepalm

[Sirken]

Post pictures of dunking, pls.

Cant be bothered to post pics from cell phone. Besides, it was Arghs dunk.

[Cistern]

http://i.imgur.com/ERpgqCd.gifUthgaard gave you your entire character /facepalm

[Ravager]

You do know Rogean changed the account into a Halfling for me? You idiot

Must have been a special day when Quickfingers' testicles decended.

[Tiggles]

Uthgaard gave you your entire character /facepalm

well....Yeah, but nothing RECENTLY

[YendorLootmonkey]

You sound like such a little pussy. If you were half as entertaining as tiggles then you would be on sirkens stream

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Or are we still glossing over the fact that he was handed a character by staff?

[Argh]

Post pictures of dunking, pls.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/99cf517712ffef9cbcf36fa91058b9ef/tumblr_mvo1ps0DSZ1sp71ndo1_500.gif
NP

[Tiggles]

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Or are we still glossing over the fact that he was handed a character by staff?

http://a.fod4.com/misc/Trampoline%20Dunk%20Fail.gif

[Cistern]

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Or are we still glossing over the fact that he was handed a character by staff?

flash forward 2 years in the future, Tiggles is now a lead GM. You have stopped playing P99 and shoot up heroin in your hotel room that you pay weekly for. P99 was once a good thing. It is now a plaything for young fred savage reincarnate to toss around how he pleases. Comparable to Idiocracy(the movie)

[Argh]

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Perception of GM favoritism changes every time there is new discipline. When 86 TMO accounts got suspended, everyone cried that GMs favored rogeans pals in IB. When IB gets suspended they cry that they favor TMO, etc.

In reality they just put a lot of work into knowing the rules/rule lawyering.

[Fountree]

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Or are we still glossing over the fact that he was handed a character by staff?

Lol rustling suvain's jimmies so hard. Not that its difficult. But you may want to stop dude, tiggles is his/her friend, you might hurt someones feelings. We wouldn't want that.

[Detoxx]

BDA is number one RMTing guild - I think they are just worried that Tiggles will infiltrate them and they'll get busted.

/tinfoil on

[Tiggles]

BDA is number one RMTing guild - I think they are just worried that Tiggles will infiltrate them and they'll get busted.

/tinfoil on

hrmm.. I could use a new character.

[Kekephee]

willing to level a character to 60 and infiltrate any guild on the server to find RMT for the GMs in exchange for an oogly stick

[YendorLootmonkey]

BDA is number one RMTing guild - I think they are just worried that Tiggles will infiltrate them and they'll get busted.

/tinfoil on

I just assume we've already been infiltrated... for all I know, Anthrax = Tiggles.

[Duckwalk]

If you really feel this is the case, then gtfo. Don't spread your negativity here, just leave.

Everyone knows this server has had a few rocky times in the past, but despite what a handful of hardcore conspiracy theorists think, nobody gets special favortism on this server with the current staff. It's funny because when we let other guilds get off easy on something no one ever hears about it because no one cares. But when TMO gets any hint of leniency the server explodes.

I suppose it comes with the position, but we work our asses off to keep the server running smoothly and fairly. The raid scene is maybe 10% of the CSR work we do here as a staff. And now that we're trying our hardest to take a completely 'hands off' approach and allow players to set sanctions that we will enforce, it's extremely difficult to say that we're biased towards anyone.

Lastly, Tiggles has always been a troll. Ain't nobody giving Tiggles any special treatment nowadays - if you really think he can just waltz up and get an account unbanned for someone, you're incredibly disillusioned.

So your response to criticism regarding rampant, essentially unchecked RMT on the server isn't to acknowledge the issue and have of discussion about it but instead to attack those advocating for changes to the system and tell them to either get used to it or "GTFO".

It makes your mock outrage over allegations of favoritism even more amusing when your own stance effectively supports the current status quo.

Make no mistake, the staffs efforts to combat RMT are appreciated (those that stick atleast) but they end up seeming disengenuous when they have exact ZERO EFFECT on RMT operations.

And of course Tiggles is a troll, but when the sheer mass of allegations, rumors and innuendo point in the exact same direction you'd have to be "incredibly disillusioned" not to see kernels of truth there.

[Glenzig]

How exactly would you go about shutting down the RMT operations? I would love to hear a solid plan for this. If it would actually work, that would be even better.

[Duckwalk]

How exactly would you go about shutting down the RMT operations? I would love to hear a solid plan for this. If it would actually work, that would be even better.

I have no clue what tool the GMs have available to them however we could start with banning the account AND the player.

Also, the fact that it was one or two people over many accounts, most of those not their own shouldn't factor in at all.

Knowing breaking the rules by sharing account info shouldn't protect you from the actions of others.

Ban em all.

Ironically, the mass exodus of so many ancient accounts might be the best thing for the server as its been stagnant as fuck for ages now.

[Tiggles]

How exactly would you go about shutting down the RMT operations? I would love to hear a solid plan for this. If it would actually work, that would be even better.

BDA accounts for the majority of RMT purchases, I would ban BDA.

[Derubael]

So your response to criticism regarding rampant, essentially unchecked RMT on the server isn't to acknowledge the issue and have of discussion about it but instead to attack those advocating for changes to the system and tell them to either get used to it or "GTFO".

It makes your mock outrage over allegations of favoritism even more amusing when your own stance effectively supports the current status quo.

Make no mistake, the staffs efforts to combat RMT are appreciated (those that stick atleast) but they end up seeming disengenuous when they have exact ZERO EFFECT on RMT operations.

And of course Tiggles is a troll, but when the sheer mass of allegations, rumors and innuendo point in the exact same direction you'd have to be "incredibly disillusioned" not to see kernels of truth there.


Excuse me sir, but I do believe I personally investigated, researched, compiled, and banned over 400 accounts for RMT back in March. This count did NOT include account of platinum sellers, only buyers, but I assure you that number was also in the hundreds. RMT bans continue to happen on a weekly basis, you just don't hear about them.

And zero effect? I do believe we hit several sellers hard enough that they are just scraping by. There is no way to completely eliminate RMT, but we can work to curb it. So yes, when I put in dozens of hours into tracking and compiling RMT bans, I'm going to take offense when you try and call us corrupt or insinuate that we don't care, because you clearly don't know anything and just like to tinfoil hat because it's the cool thing to do.

As far as Tiggles goes, you let me know when he gets that character unbanned, k? As you stated yourself, you aren't even working off of facts - you're going off second-hand information and allegations. Again, the server has had a few rough patches with former staff members - but I'd challenge anyone to find real evidence of something like this happening with any current staff members. So yes, if this is the way you feel, I'd say gtfo - I don't know why you'd want to play on a server you view as "corrupt" ran by a staff that you think show favortism.

[hatelore]

Disband tmo, and then inact a rule that no one can mouth the word tmo while in game, ever. And I bet all rmt would halt!


Ban/tmo 2014

[Tiggles]

Disband tmo, and then inact a rule that no one can mouth the word tmo while in game, ever. And I bet all rmt would halt!


Ban/tmo 2014

If you press the keys T,M or O while playing on the server it deletes your account.

[sanforce]

So your response to criticism regarding rampant, essentially unchecked RMT on the server isn't to acknowledge the issue and have of discussion about it but instead to attack those advocating for changes to the system and tell them to either get used to it or "GTFO".

It makes your mock outrage over allegations of favoritism even more amusing when your own stance effectively supports the current status quo.

Make no mistake, the staffs efforts to combat RMT are appreciated (those that stick atleast) but they end up seeming disengenuous when they have exact ZERO EFFECT on RMT operations.

And of course Tiggles is a troll, but when the sheer mass of allegations, rumors and innuendo point in the exact same direction you'd have to be "incredibly disillusioned" not to see kernels of truth there.

Everyone knows that RMT happens on this server - it happens on the majority of MMO servers. It takes time to attain pixels, time is money, and some people want to take the short route and skip the time investment required to obtain their pixels. Other people want to sell their time. There is next to nothing that can prevent these market forces from occurring.

When the staff learns of RMT operations, they shut them down. When they get new tools to detect RMT operations, they shut them down. It is an individual risk that some have decided to take - if/when they are discovered, they are banned and their time and/or money is wasted.

Remember, this staff works for free to make this the best server possible. Are they going to catch everyone? Probably not. Have they proven that they will ban people involved in RMT/duping/MQ2/etc. if caught? They definitely have.

You can either play on the FREE server that the FREE staff strives to make better, or not. The choice is yours alone. If you think that you have the experience or expertise to root out the cheaters, then you can apply to be a guide. If you think the server is so corrupt that it is beyond repair, then you should probably quit and go to a server that better suits your requirements.

[Kekephee]

What impact will this new anti-RMT plan have on my level 6 enchanter Batmon

[Zadrian]

If you press the keys T,M or O while playing on the server it deletes your account.

Tried this and confirmed.

[hatelore]

Try More Oveltine.

[Glenzig]

I have no clue what tool the GMs have available to them however we could start with banning the account AND the player.

Also, the fact that it was one or two people over many accounts, most of those not their own shouldn't factor in at all.

Knowing breaking the rules by sharing account info shouldn't protect you from the actions of others.

Ban em all.

Ironically, the mass exodus of so many ancient accounts might be the best thing for the server as its been stagnant as fuck for ages now.

How do you ban a person and not an account?

[Kekephee]

Honestly, even if there was some vast GM RMT conspiracy happening on this server (don't think there is) the long and short of the issue is, if you somehow uncovered and stopped it all you'd accomplish would be that the server would go away. The people who run the thing aren't going to keep running the thing if they're running the thing for some seedy purpose and that purpose gets ruined for them, you know? If you're assuming there is an RMT conspiracy with the GMs, your choices are "It's worth dealing with to get to play this game" or "It's not worth dealing with." There is no "stop the people who run the thing and then get them to give the thing to someone else who won't be bad with it."

[Uuruk]

https://i.imgur.com/ILkf4ef.gif

[Duckwalk]

Excuse me sir, but I do believe I personally investigated, researched, compiled, and banned over 400 accounts for RMT back in March. This count did NOT include account of platinum sellers, only buyers, but I assure you that number was also in the hundreds. RMT bans continue to happen on a weekly basis, you just don't hear about them.

And zero effect? I do believe we hit several sellers hard enough that they are just scraping by. There is no way to completely eliminate RMT, but we can work to curb it. So yes, when I put in dozens of hours into tracking and compiling RMT bans, I'm going to take offense when you try and call us corrupt or insinuate that we don't care, because you clearly don't know anything and just like to tinfoil hat because it's the cool thing to do.

As far as Tiggles goes, you let me know when he gets that character unbanned, k? As you stated yourself, you aren't even working off of facts - you're going off second-hand information and allegations. Again, the server has had a few rough patches with former staff members - but I'd challenge anyone to find real evidence of something like this happening with any current staff members. So yes, if this is the way you feel, I'd say gtfo - I don't know why you'd want to play on a server you view as "corrupt" ran by a staff that you think show favortism.

Once again, I applaud staff efforts to combat RMT through your ban of 400 accounts. What proportion of those actually stuck?

No tinfoil hatting or second hand information here, specifically highlighted confirmed generalizations or are you denying that there has been staff impropriety in the past, that leadership of prominent guilds is most often at the core of RMT operations or that when you do ban RMT is the exact same people who are back the next day rebuilding their empire?

For the record, I don't think there is a "vast GM RMT conspiracy" going on but I think valid arguments can easily be made that GM policies and attitudes both indirectly and directly benefite those pursing RMT aspirations.

You ask why I play here if I think it's so corrupt? I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think something is great as want to improve on it. I'd much rather institute a system that directly benefited GMs and Dev's for the efforts than those who actions directly retard the actual playing of the game.

[Duckwalk]

Because the same guild killing the exact same mobs for 3+ years = fun for the server?

[Uuruk]

Because the same guild killing the exact same mobs for 3+ years = fun for the server?

you kill the same person 5 times on red and you get banned.

[Imslap]

Once again, I applaud staff efforts to combat RMT through your ban of 400 accounts. What proportion of those actually stuck?

No tinfoil hatting or second hand information here, specifically highlighted confirmed generalizations or are you denying that there has been staff impropriety in the past, that leadership of prominent guilds is most often at the core of RMT operations or that when you do ban RMT is the exact same people who are back the next day rebuilding their empire?

For the record, I don't think there is a "vast GM RMT conspiracy" going on but I think valid arguments can easily be made that GM policies and attitudes both indirectly and directly benefite those pursing RMT aspirations.

You ask why I play here if I think it's so corrupt? I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think something is great as want to improve on it. I'd much rather institute a system that directly benefited GMs and Dev's for the efforts than those who actions directly retard the actual playing of the game.

It's like he got drunk halfway through this rant.

[Glenzig]

So how do you ban a person along with the accounts they play? How do you shut this RMT plague down?

[Derubael]

Then quit letting him undermine the staff's credibility and objectivity. Tiggles gets in game pixels from Uthgard to render services in real life. Found to be e-dating Amelinda. Now hosts Twitch streams with Sirken. And you wonder why a shitshow happens when TMO gets any leniency? What is the average, rational person here supposed to think given Tiggles' unique history of interacting with staff?

Perception of GM favoritism changes every time there is new discipline. When 86 TMO accounts got suspended, everyone cried that GMs favored rogeans pals in IB. When IB gets suspended they cry that they favor TMO, etc.

In reality they just put a lot of work into knowing the rules/rule lawyering.

Argh just spouting common sense all over this thread right now. I have no control over how Tiggles acts in RnF. Yes, we've been over and acknowledged the fact that Tiggles got a character made to spy on a guild, but everyone seems to forget that favortism has been shown in the past to other guilds as well, including BDA, under the old CSR staff. ALL guilds have skeletons - TMO just gets more shit because of their (admittedly) poor attitude.

Lastly, as Argh once again stated, we have a wide range of guests come on our show - we've had BDA, Taken, IB, TMO, etc. It's an open invite and always has been. It only "looks" as bad as you perceive it to be, and when you're already going in with an opinion in mind (GM's favor TMO!) of course that's how you're going to see it.

Don't usually agree with Yendor, but wowza this. How's Derubael gonna handle this one cuz that stings lol.

uh. what? How bout by telling the truth? See that's the great part about not being a scumbag - you don't have to make excuses, lie, or justify your shady actions when someone asks you a question.

Hey, Deru asked why the shitstorm when TMO gets leniency on any GM rulings... I explained how Tiggles and his interactions with staff are a huge part of the perception of impropriety.

Or are we still glossing over the fact that he was handed a character by staff?

So we're going to continue to base the current staff's actions on staff members who were removed over two years ago? How do Uthgaard and Amelinda's actions in any way insinuate that Sirken and I would do the same? This is like saying the old president was shit so the new president will also be shit, and make the same mistakes, just because they are in the same position.

Again, you're walking into a situation with an opinion already formed about the outcome based on the actions of people who came before us. Your perception of events is always going to be skewed because of this.

We work really hard to ensure we go into every situation with an unbiased viewpoint. But even then, we get accused of favortism, and we're tired of dealing with it - hence part of the reason we instated the new policy for dealing with raid disputes. It's hard to accuse us of "favortism" when we aren't involved in the "judicial process". Because it doesn't really matter which way we rule - someone is always going to be on the losing end, and that group is always going to feel there was bias shown against them.

That's just the way it is. Welcome to life as a Project 1999 CSR GM. No pay, long hours, way too much work, and on top of it all everyone thinks you are biased against them, regardless of what you do.

[Duckwalk]

How do you ban a person and not an account?

I suppose you start by identifying a RMT IP then banning every account it touches. Period.

Like I said, I don't know what tools GMs have at their disposal and I don't work in IT.

[Imslap]

uh. what? How bout by telling the truth? See that's the great part about not being a scumbag - you don't have to make excuses, lie, or justify your shady actions when someone asks you a question.



How's Fountree gonna handle this one cuz that stings lol.

[Duckwalk]

It's like he got drunk halfway through this rant.

Sorry, working on an anti-communization clause at the moment so my minds not competely focused.

[Glenzig]

I suppose you start by identifying a RMT IP then banning every account it touches. Period.

Like I said, I don't know what tools GMs have at their disposal and I don't work in IT.

You know that it takes most people about 5 minutes to work around an ip ban right? You can easily get around anything IP associated.

[no chewie dont]

aint no one got time for this thread

[Derubael]

You ask why I play here if I think it's so corrupt? I don't think it's unreasonable at all to think something is great as want to improve on it. I'd much rather institute a system that directly benefited GMs and Dev's for the efforts than those who actions directly retard the actual playing of the game.

If you think you can do better, feel free to PM me with your comprehensive and effective strategies for combatting RMT. I'd love to know when/where you became an expert on the subject, and how we can integrate your plans into our current system.


Once again, I applaud staff efforts to combat RMT through your ban of 400 accounts. What proportion of those actually stuck?


I had a margin of error of less than 5%. If you include accounts that were banned immediately after the inital wave, my margin of error drops into the negatives.


No tinfoil hatting or second hand information here, specifically highlighted confirmed generalizations or are you denying that there has been staff impropriety in the past,

Are you even reading my posts? We've already been over this. The actions of previous CSR staff should not reflect upon the current staff's actions, priorities, or rulings. These people haven't been on staff in years, and yet somehow they are still corrupting the box and compromising it's integrity. Makes sense.


that leadership of prominent guilds is most often at the core of RMT operations or that when you do ban RMT is the exact same people who are back the next day rebuilding their empire?

No, the leadership of prominent guilds is not most often at the core of RMT operations. The only RMT operations we've proven so far to be aided/ran by a guild leader was Nizzarr, and he was small time compared to the bigger fish.

Yes, it is the same people who return the next day and attempt to start over. As I stated before, they are barely scraping by at this time. I love how people think there is some magic "ban this player forever!" button that can keep someone from connecting for the rest of their lives. The actual RMT sellers on this server go to great lengths to mask their identities, and while I'm able to see through that with careful scrutiny, there is no way to just permanently remove someone from this server, or any server, without restricting access to a larger group of players.

tl;dr I appreciate your thoughts and criticism, but you really have no idea what you are talking about.

[Duckwalk]

You know that it takes most people about 5 minutes to work around an ip ban right? You can easily get around anything IP associated.

Obviously but RMT operations have successfully tracked RMT profits across IPs in the past (apparently). I guess I'm advocating more of a scorched earth type of policy by making it extremely costly even being associated with RMT activity.

I can't comment on current GM policy with regards to this topic but from the outside it looks like lots of accounts (with the majority of profits) are slipping by. It's still a profitable endeavor for RMTers so they continue to practice it.

[Sirken]

Look at Ephi for example he was the one who initially started working towards what sounds like you have now took on (the entire anti-RMT unit). Yet, many of the accounts he hit and characters here struck were still miraculously playable and unbanned

theres a reason ephi was removed from staff.

[Shannacore]

Yes, we've been over and acknowledged the fact that Tiggles got a character made to spy on a guild


lol

[Derubael]

Many of those same people you hit are magically back around again still. So ask yourself, if it isn't you then who is it allowing this madness to ensue?


If this is really the case, you should PM me a list of these characters. I very much doubt anyone is un-doing my RMT bans without checking with me first - that's a big no-no that would land someone in a nasty talk with Rogean if they didn't have a good reason for doing so.


Your buddy talks an awful in a public capacity about how he condones the idea of RMT. With the other facets of his bad character it isn't that hard to read between the lines.

Sirken still bans people for RMT - but it's not really his job or his concern to do so. As I stated above, I very much doubt anyone is undoing my RMT bans, but if you feel this is happening, let us know so I can look into it.

[Tiggles]

If this is really the case, you should PM me a list of these characters. I very much doubt anyone is un-doing my RMT bans without checking with me first - that's a big no-no that would land someone in a nasty talk with Rogean if they didn't have a good reason for doing so.



Sirken still bans people for RMT - but it's not really his job or his concern to do so. As I stated above, I very much doubt anyone is undoing my RMT bans, but if you feel this is happening, let us know so I can look into it.


Xeli for starters.

[Derubael]

Xeli for starters.

Cannot confirm or deny this account being on my stupidly long list of "Things to do". In any case, I remember looking into this briefly, and that account wasn't unbanned by anyone currently on staff.

[Bazia]

Red99 is a worse forum community in ever way other then appreciating the staff.

You blue guys are really douchey and unappreciative, their not perfect and do their best for free.

Thanks all current and former staff, I love playing here.

[Lictor]

aint no one got time for this thread

Chewie left guk! Logging into red for frenzy camp.

[Ambrotos]

Didn't hear you complaining when your former guildie Ambrotos gave you guy free Trakanon FTE's then begged Sirken to let it be since he was deploying soon.

Fucking Hypocrite. The staff gives TMO and Me nothing, Just because I talk to them like people and don't treat them like shit like your guild leader chest does doesn't mean they are corrupt.

Naw. People want to keep the blinders on and forget the fact Jeremy was fucking around in Trak's lair and agroed trakanon onto bda logging on/sitting at the rock. If anything I could have done better was given Jeremy a vacation and told tmo they can't attempt Trakanon and not sit there for 2 fucking hours trying to get a hold of anyone else on staff while giving Jeremy the benefit of doubt to try and wiggle out of his fuck up.

Today's standard would be no no trak then, or next spawn. I guess you can say I ruled in favor of tmo in that case by going soft on them.

Grats tmo staff favoritism.

[Sirken]

That is my point, it isn't far fetched for corruption to be within those who "appear" to be doing good things.

/facepalm

we're done here

[Sirken]

you completely missed the point of my post.

its too late we're done.

divorced

[Laledorie]

If you really feel this is the case, then gtfo. Don't spread your negativity here, just leave.

if u think the entire staff & management are dirty, then i suggest you just stock up on tinfoil and find a new game to play.

I feel like these two quotes sum up this thread nicely! :D

[hatelore]

you completely missed the point of my post.

its too late we're done.

divorced

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=912DKxD0H1U

[Imslap]

nah i took what was relevant to the situation and responded, no need to ponder your efforts of distraction

Tortue, dont you get sick of making all these anon accounts? It has to be tedious keeping track which account you are logged in when you are spouting your retardation...

[Ambrotos]

Finding people who RMT takes so much damn time. Once you find one person, you then find out X amount of people have dealt with them. When I was showing Derubael how to do it when he came on, he had to start making spread sheets and shit to make it easier. I think that week alone was 7 days worth of investigation. He now has the tools to do more so, with a lower range of mistakes. I just don't think one person should be the only one looking into it.

theres a reason ephi was removed from staff.
This raises more questions than anything else, and I am pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.

[Tiggles]

My only wish, is that I made this thread.

[Softcore PK]

I've been afk (producing vitamin D). Was Sektor punished for giving out Nizzar's RL info?

[Frieza_Prexus]

This raises more questions than anything else, and I am pretty sure you know what I'm talking about.

So, uh, can we hear it?

...

Please?

For science.

[Uuruk]

TIL GMs would rather argue with idiots than ban tune on red for breaking MORE server rules.

[Glenzig]

Obviously but RMT operations have successfully tracked RMT profits across IPs in the past (apparently). I guess I'm advocating more of a scorched earth type of policy by making it extremely costly even being associated with RMT activity.

I can't comment on current GM policy with regards to this topic but from the outside it looks like lots of accounts (with the majority of profits) are slipping by. It's still a profitable endeavor for RMTers so they continue to practice it.

Still no ideas for how to remove RMT plague or ban the person that makes the account. Just more vague generalizations of how you would maybe handle it and finger pointing at the staff.

[no chewie dont]

I've been afk (producing vitamin D). Was Sektor punished for giving out Nizzar's RL info?

yeh he got an extra smile in jail razorblade buck50

[Softcore PK]

yeh he got an extra smile in jail razorblade buck50

Chewie, is this even English? :o