attention RL info posting nerds

[no chewie dont]

it is around here maybe not everywhere /shrug

[Duckwalk]

Still no ideas for how to remove RMT plague or ban the person that makes the account. Just more vague generalizations of how you would maybe handle it and finger pointing at the staff.

If you read more carefully, I stated I would start by banning all account the RMTer ever logged on to regardless of number of times they accessed the account.

So called innocent accounts shouldn't be protected as they knowingly violated the server rules regarding account sharing.

As far as how I would improve upon the manner in which RMT is combatted by the staff I can't comment further than what was already shared by staff (and previous staff) in this thread although if they want some help try are welcome to PM me.

Might be fun and the GM's could potentially out source some of their workload by providing limited tools which would allow specified members from all guilds to police each other.

[NegaStoat]

01[12:33] {Uthgaard} TMO has been central to most major problems

If there's a single thing of value I'm taking away from reading the thread, it's this.

[Glenzig]

If you read more carefully, I stated I would start by banning all account the RMTer ever logged on to regardless of number of times they accessed the account.

So called innocent accounts shouldn't be protected as they knowingly violated the server rules regarding account sharing.

As far as how I would improve upon the manner in which RMT is combatted by the staff I can't comment further than what was already shared by staff (and previous staff) in this thread although if they want some help try are welcome to PM me.

Might be fun and the GM's could potentially out source some of their workload by providing limited tools which would allow specified members from all guilds to police each other.

Guilds policing each other for RMT? Oh man you're right, that would be fun!!!

[Duckwalk]

Or given tools to do limited investigations atleast. We've seen what Tiggles can do with just google.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Naw. People want to keep the blinders on and forget the fact Jeremy was fucking around in Trak's lair and agroed trakanon onto bda logging on/sitting at the rock. If anything I could have done better was given Jeremy a vacation and told tmo they can't attempt Trakanon and not sit there for 2 fucking hours trying to get a hold of anyone else on staff while giving Jeremy the benefit of doubt to try and wiggle out of his fuck up.

Today's standard would be no no trak then, or next spawn. I guess you can say I ruled in favor of tmo in that case by going soft on them.

Grats tmo staff favoritism.

That was old TMO... new TMO would just claim the trainer was acting as an individual and deguild him temporarily.

[Glenzig]

Or given tools to do limited investigations atleast. We've seen what Tiggles can do with just google.

If that's the point of it then we already have that. You just have to send it to the staff through the correct channels, not through RnF.

[Nirgon]

tools


google.



There u go.

The rest is up to your ability to play both sides and be a sociopath.

[Duckwalk]

Already have access to IPs and global trades (I have no clue what other tools devs may have)?

But imagine how clean the server would be if we had Chest investigating TMO and Lite investigating Nihilium (and vice versa).

Whistles so clean Tiggles could eat his hot pockets off them.

[Frieza_Prexus]

So called innocent accounts shouldn't be protected as they knowingly violated the server rules regarding account sharing.

Accounts may be freely shared here.

From the server-rules/play-nice-policy:


While we don't allow account TRADING on p99, it is fine for you to play a friends account. Just make very sure that you don't have another account/character in the game at the same time, or you might get disciplined for two-boxing!

[Tiggles]

If you read more carefully, I stated I would start by banning all account the RMTer ever logged on to regardless of number of times they accessed the account.

So called innocent accounts shouldn't be protected as they knowingly violated the server rules regarding account sharing.

As far as how I would improve upon the manner in which RMT is combatted by the staff I can't comment further than what was already shared by staff (and previous staff) in this thread although if they want some help try are welcome to PM me.

Might be fun and the GM's could potentially out source some of their workload by providing limited tools which would allow specified members from all guilds to police each other.

Guilds policing each other for RMT? Oh man you're right, that would be fun!!!


You can do it yourself. As much shit I talk TMO knows I'm a white knight when it comes to cheating, If I see a guildmate using MQ or RMTing i'll be the first person to get them bant.

It's bad for the server in the eyes of Sony and it's bad for the economy. If I had proof of umbrella RMTing I would hand it over in a heartbeat.

[Ambrotos]

Accounts may be freely shared here.

They can be freely shared, since the staff can't enforce people not sharing accounts. Yet any action taken on those accounts outside of 2boxing, also sticks with that account. It doesn't matter who did it.

Very rarely does a "innocent" account escape punishment.

[Glenzig]

Already have access to IPs and global trades (I have no clue what other tools devs may have)?

But imagine how clean the server would be if we had Chest investigating TMO and Lite investigating Nihilium (and vice versa).

Whistles so clean Tiggles could eat his hot pockets off them.

I hope you're joking.

[Duckwalk]

And its also explicitly stated thry they don't reccomend sharing accounts and that you do so at your own risk. You are responsible for your account at all times.

[Tiggles]

I hope you're joking.

I hope so, Hotpockets are gross.

[Glenzig]

I hope so, Hotpockets are gross.

Diarrhea pockets.

[Duckwalk]

I hope you're joking.

I'm joking only to an extent. I think outsourcing investigation duties to certain players with high play times and an vested interest in uncovering RMT violations could be an interesting solution provided they had a limited Dev tool kit and exactly zero ability to affect the game outside of recording logs and developing evidence.

*Disclaimer: I am not a programmer, I have no clue what this would entail. Yes, Derubael i have no clue what im talkig about. You asked for ideas so I'm throwing them out.

[Detoxx]

Whos Duckwalk?

[Fael]

That was old TMO... new TMO would just claim the trainer was acting as an individual and deguild him temporarily.

The sad thing is you actually believe what you think.

For several months now there has been a long history of forgoing the raid mob that day plus the next one if any type of negligence occurs during an engagement. Your attempt to jam the incident with dinacarl into the scenario provided by ambrotos is glaringly weak seeing as there was no raid encounter to forgo.

Loraens idea that a raid offense is determined by the entity trained not by the identity trainer is also equally devoid of logic, and cannot be found within any concept contrived and recognize by men who make a living making and accepting arguments such as principles of Vicarious liability, agency, or negligent entrustment. Your best bet is under a theory of control via your boy unbrella; but suspicion is not a substitute for evidence.

Thank god none of you are able to sit on a jury .... Wait ... Fuck us all.

Dolic

[quido]

Naw. People want to keep the blinders on and forget the fact Jeremy was fucking around in Trak's lair and agroed trakanon onto bda logging on/sitting at the rock. If anything I could have done better was given Jeremy a vacation and told tmo they can't attempt Trakanon and not sit there for 2 fucking hours trying to get a hold of anyone else on staff while giving Jeremy the benefit of doubt to try and wiggle out of his fuck up.

Today's standard would be no no trak then, or next spawn. I guess you can say I ruled in favor of tmo in that case by going soft on them.

Grats tmo staff favoritism.


Once again Ambrotos is so stupid he doesn't even remember what happened, and once again he fills that void with unquestionable TMO guilt.

No wonder this dude isn't on staff.

[Autotune]

As far as Tiggles goes, you let me know when he gets that character unbanned, k? As you stated yourself, you aren't even working off of facts - you're going off second-hand information and allegations. Again, the server has had a few rough patches with former staff members - but I'd challenge anyone to find real evidence of something like this happening with any current staff members. So yes, if this is the way you feel, I'd say gtfo - I don't know why you'd want to play on a server you view as "corrupt" ran by a staff that you think show favortism.

Shit, let me know too please. Nilbog is my neighbor and the guy won't even lift the ban, even though he borrows my lawnmower and never returns it.

[Glenzig]

I'm joking only to an extent. I think outsourcing investigation duties to certain players with high play times and an vested interest in uncovering RMT violations could be an interesting solution provided they had a limited Dev tool kit and exactly zero ability to affect the game outside of recording logs and developing evidence.

*Disclaimer: I am not a programmer, I have no clue what this would entail. Yes, Derubael i have no clue what im talkig about. You asked for ideas so I'm throwing them out.

This would only serve to increase the theories of server corruption. It would be even more possible to either fabricate logs to get someone banned, or have an RMT kingpin sneak in and undermine the entire process to a larger extent than people already feel they are able to. It also wouldn't increase GM transparency,as everyone seems to be eminently concerned with.

[Duckwalk]

The sad thing is you actually believe what you think.

For several months now there has been a long history of forgoing the raid mob that day plus the next one if any type of negligence occurs during an engagement. Your attempt to jam the incident with dinacarl into the scenario provided by ambrotos is glaringly weak seeing as there was no raid encounter to forgo.

Loraens idea that a raid offense is determined by the entity trained not by the identity trainer is also equally devoid of logic, and cannot be found within any concept contrived and recognize by men who make a living making and accepting arguments such as principles of Vicarious liability, agency, or negligent entrustment. Your best bet is under a theory of control via your boy unbrella; but suspicion is not a substitute for evidence.

Thank god none of you are able to sit on a jury .... Wait ... Fuck us all.

Dolic

Curious as to why you think agency wouldn't apply. The master is liable for servants acts within the scope of employment or in the case of intentional torts, when force is used to further the master's business/interests.

Seems like BDA would have an argument atleast.

[Ambrotos]

Sure. Everyone believes you Jeremy. Keep right on.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Curious as to why you think agency wouldn't apply. The master is liable for servants acts within the scope of employment or in the case of intentional torts, when force is used to further the master's business/interests.

Seems like BDA would have an argument atleast.

Because respondeat superior is limited when the agent exceeds the scope of his duties. See Frolic and Detour.

[Autotune]

theres a reason ephi was removed from staff.

because he flagged my account and gave me a bad rep on Stealin.

Let that be a lesson to all you new guys.

[Tiggles]

because he flagged my account and gave me a bad rep on Stealin.

Let that be a lesson to all you new guys.

Deru said he would unban you if you can have Mazam contact him saying we will take you back into TMO.

[Duckwalk]

This would only serve to increase the theories of server corruption. It would be even more possible to either fabricate logs to get someone banned, or have an RMT kingpin sneak in and undermine the entire process to a larger extent than people already feel they are able to. It also wouldn't increase GM transparency,as everyone seems to be eminently concerned with.

That depends on whether the evidence they developed could be manipulated or not. A system where they were only able to flag questionable content for review might work. Regardless, there appears to already be methods the GMs are willing to accept as proof as we've seen in the recent bannings.

Maybe the GMs would never even act on information developed by young detectives but at the very least it might slow RMTers down with the thought that people who severely dislike them are looking for any slip up.

[Duckwalk]

Because respondeat superior is limited when the agent exceeds the scope of his duties. See Frolic and Detour.

Not if its a intentional tort which benefits the master, right?

Sorry, no Lexis access at the moment.

[Autotune]

Deru said he would unban you if you can have Mazam contact him saying we will take you back into TMO.

Mazam is fine with me, I'm sure he and a few others will vouch for my willingness to raid under the TMO banner on Stealin.

[YendorLootmonkey]

The sad thing is you actually believe what you think.

For several months now there has been a long history of forgoing the raid mob that day plus the next one if any type of negligence occurs during an engagement. Your attempt to jam the incident with dinacarl into the scenario provided by ambrotos is glaringly weak seeing as there was no raid encounter to forgo.

Loraens idea that a raid offense is determined by the entity trained not by the identity trainer is also equally devoid of logic, and cannot be found within any concept contrived and recognize by men who make a living making and accepting arguments such as principles of Vicarious liability, agency, or negligent entrustment. Your best bet is under a theory of control via your boy unbrella; but suspicion is not a substitute for evidence.

Thank god none of you are able to sit on a jury .... Wait ... Fuck us all.

Dolic

It was actually just RNF-style snark, sorry you wasted your law degree responding to it seriously.

[Glenzig]

That depends on whether the evidence they developed could be manipulated or not. A system where they were only able to flag questionable content for review might work. Regardless, there appears to already be methods the GMs are willing to accept as proof as we've seen in the recent bannings.

Maybe the GMs would never even act on information developed by young detectives but at the very least it might slow RMTers down with the thought that people who severely dislike them are looking for any slip up.

As I said earlier, what youre asking for is already in place. You can submit RMT accusations with evidence to the GMs already. They can look further into it themselves with the current system. You just have to not be a total goober and try to post it in RnF.

[Duckwalk]

As I said earlier, what youre asking for is already in place. You can submit RMT accusations with evidence to the GMs already. They can look further into it themselves with the current system. You just have to not be a total goober and try to post it in RnF.

As far as I know, players don't have the ability to track IP and globally monitor trade.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Not if its a intentional tort which benefits the master, right?

Only if they ordered, ratified, or were negligent in what happened. A UPS driver hitting someone on a frolic (getting drive-through while working an 18 hour shift) would likely make UPS liable. Similarly if they later went "Good job on hitting him!" & cut the guy a check (like an NFL tackle bounty program), or if they knew the guy had 50 accidents on his record and still let him drive. Note that apparent authority can create liability, but that is a very fact specific situation, and generally no one ever has apparent authority to commit a crime or anything like that.

However, the driver going out of his way to shoot 50 people when he has no prior record and appeared entirely stable generally absolves the principle of liability.

[Fael]

Curious as to why you think agency wouldn't apply. The master is liable for servants acts within the scope of employment or in the case of intentional torts, when force is used to further the master's business/interests.

Seems like BDA would have an argument atleast.

1. For one, intentional criminal acts are outside the scope as you point out. Exceptions have been made in some states but not as broad ones as you may be suggesting. Mostly they are limited to bouncers at at a nightclub / bar, and so forth.

2. Second, who is he an agent of. Is he an agent of the fear clear with 4 people. And are they agents of TMO the organization. They were clearing out some monkeys for their 9th alts, when no raid mobs where up. So even if you can claim his act of retaliation was somehow as an agent of the 5 other TMO there, it is then difficult to say that that small group were agents of TMO on official TMO employment. Such a view would make every activity in the game fall within furthering whatever persons guild's interests.

Dolic

[Kekephee]

The sad thing is you actually believe what you think.

For several months now there has been a long history of forgoing the raid mob that day plus the next one if any type of negligence occurs during an engagement. Your attempt to jam the incident with dinacarl into the scenario provided by ambrotos is glaringly weak seeing as there was no raid encounter to forgo.

Loraens idea that a raid offense is determined by the entity trained not by the identity trainer is also equally devoid of logic, and cannot be found within any concept contrived and recognize by men who make a living making and accepting arguments such as principles of Vicarious liability, agency, or negligent entrustment. Your best bet is under a theory of control via your boy unbrella; but suspicion is not a substitute for evidence.

Thank god none of you are able to sit on a jury .... Wait ... Fuck us all.

Dolic


Untrue

First result on google shows that employers can be held liable for employee actions


http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/employer-liability-employees-bad-acts-29638.html

[Fael]

It was actually just RNF-style snark, sorry you wasted your law degree responding to it seriously.

So when chest takes such hard lines... And is dead fucking serious about it (I had the great pleasure of listening to his vent recording), are we to believe that he is just being RNF snarky?

It's hard to differentiate seeing as everyone in bda are toeing the same party line.

Dolic

[Kekephee]

Untrue

First result on google shows that employers can be held liable for employee actions


http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/employer-liability-employees-bad-acts-29638.html


Actually I think you were saying something else than what I thought you were saying, disregard that. I was half-reading and thought you were referring to the responsibility of the guild leadership for their members' actions, not the status of the raid as being a raid.


Question: When you say

"Loraens idea that a raid offense is determined by the entity trained not by the identity trainer"

do you mean "the people who did the training should get to decide whether the people they trained were a raid"? Because why would that make any sense?

[Duckwalk]

Only if they ordered, ratified, or were negligent in what happened. A UPS driver hitting someone on a frolic (getting drive-through while working an 18 hour shift) would likely make UPS liable. Similarly if they later went "Good job on hitting him!" & cut the guy a check (like an NFL tackle bounty program), or if they knew the guy had 50 accidents on his record and still let him drive. Note that apparent authority can create liability, but that is a very fact specific situation, and generally no one ever has apparent authority to commit a crime or anything like that.

However, the driver going out of his way to shoot 50 people when he has no prior record and appeared entirely stable generally absolves the principle of liability.

The common example I'm talking about is when a bouncer batters someone in the process of throwing them out of a club. In that scenario, the master (club) is liable for the intentional tort (battery) because the action benefits the master.

[Kekephee]

Actually, don't answer that, it doesn't matter anyway, fuckin thing is over, I'm moving on

[Frieza_Prexus]

Untrue

First result on google shows that employers can be held liable for employee actions


http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/employer-liability-employees-bad-acts-29638.html

It's not that easy. Read the last 10 or so posts. Obviously employers are liable for employee actions when they are within the scope of that employee's duties

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Respondeat_superior

[Fael]

Loraen said that the entity trained should determine who is responsible--or at least whether it would be deemed a raid violation or not.

Thus, since 30 bda got trained and 30 bda are a raid then one intentional train by person in guild X should constitute guild action and raid interference.

Dolic

[Duckwalk]

The question turns on whether Dinacarl's actions benefitted TMO as a guild.

Now considering rumors that TMO group was there to snipe certain mobs/prevent rival guild gear certain classes.....

[YendorLootmonkey]

So when chest takes such hard lines... And is dead fucking serious about it (I had the great pleasure of listening to his vent recording), are we to believe that he is just being RNF snarky?

It's hard to differentiate seeing as everyone in bda are toeing the same party line.

Dolic

Where do you get the expectation that it should be easy to differentiate seriousness/trolling/snarkiness in RNF?

[Kekephee]

Loraen said that the entity trained should determine who is responsible--or at least whether it would be deemed a raid violation or not.

Thus, since 30 bda got trained and 30 bda are a raid then one intentional train by person in guild X should constitute guild action and raid interference.

Dolic


Would you say the presence of guild leadership at an event constitutes a guild event, since guild officers are understood to be guild officers 24/7, always representing and responsible for their guild? It's not like we're talking about 4 people who happen to be tagged in a guild just hanging out and one of them does something stupid. Although, even if we were, an argument could pretty easily be made that since the group is composed entirely of members of a guild, they, too, are representing said guild, and accountable as representatives of that guild for their actions, right?


I don't care about the train or any of this anymore, I'm just interested philosophically since you're bringing legal arguments into the discussion

[Glenzig]

As far as I know, players don't have the ability to track IP and globally monitor trade.

No. And you think giving certain players that ability will abate the conspiracy theories?

[Fountree]

A) I wasn't removed, I voluntarily left.
B) LOL. It's funny because you're implying that I was shit.
C) I don't consider the actions I've disclosed here a mistake.
D) Don't even associate me with Amelinda.

If there's any point I've made here, it's that I handled things in an entirely different time, and I did it effectively. And I stand by every decision I made. As a consequence, Tiggles and I got the first plat selling website shut right the fuck down. That was a notch I don't believe you have under your belt.

So before you judge, get educated.

Uthgaard 2014

[Lictor]

Perhaps the fear trainer is an independent contractor for the unwritten partnership furthering the joint venture of RMT from two members of TMO. Thus decreasing liability.

[Fountree]

Come back Uth!!!

[Frieza_Prexus]

The question turns on whether Dinacarl's actions benefitted TMO as a guild.

Not yet. The bouncer example attaches liability in that physical torts are practically expected as part of the fulfillment of his duties. However, the Glitter Factory isn't liable when their bouncer goes across the street and blows up Bushwacker's Gentlemen's club which would ultimately benefit the former.

Training the shit out of someone is not to be expected of or anticipated of a pulling monk unless Tortue is on the job.

[Fael]

I would think that a guild is a partnership and they elect certain managing partners. The partnership is never liable for the act of one partner, unless said partner is functioning as agent and within the scope of that agency.

An individuals liability is only binding on his share of partnership rights.

So nothing special about an officer, unless the act is done within scope of his duties which are to manage the guild website, make loot decisions, lead raids, deal with recruitment and sales etc.

Dolic

[zanderklocke]

I would think that a guild is a partnership and they elect certain managing partners. The partnership is never liable for the act of one partner, unless said partner is functioning as agent and within the scope of that agency.

An individuals liability is only binding on his share of partnership rights.

So nothing special about an officer, unless the act is done within scope of his duties which are to manage the guild website, make loot decisions, lead raids, deal with recruitment and sales etc.

Dolic

So guilds can now apply for for LLC or LLP?

I'm guessing Class R is mainly 501(c)3.

[Frieza_Prexus]

LLC is some sweet ass business entity status, yo.

[Duckwalk]

Training the shit out of someone is not to be expected of or anticipated of a pulling monk unless Tortue is on the job.

You need to rethink this statement.

[Duckwalk]

I would think that a guild is a partnership and they elect certain managing partners. The partnership is never liable for the act of one partner, unless said partner is functioning as agent and within the scope of that agency.

An individuals liability is only binding on his share of partnership rights.

So nothing special about an officer, unless the act is done within scope of his duties which are to manage the guild website, make loot decisions, lead raids, deal with recruitment and sales etc.

Dolic

You can ignore third party liability and intentional torts all you want but it doesn't change the fact that a partnership or lp or llp or llc or whatever will be liable for intentional torts of its agents or employees which benefit it.

[Duckwalk]

Dolic describing a LP or LLP. Last I checked TMO never filed with Secretary of State so they are just operating under a general partnership in which partners can be personally liable.

[Cecily]

The question turns on whether Dinacarl's actions benefitted TMO as a guild.

Of course it did. Most of us got a good laugh out of it.

[Duckwalk]

*trying to describe

[Frieza_Prexus]

You can ignore third party liability and intentional torts all you want but it doesn't change the fact that a partnership or lp or llp or llc or whatever will be liable for intentional torts of its agents or employees which benefit it.

Under that logic a Burger King employee, who was otherwise 100% perfect, could blow up the McDonald's across the street and BK would be liable. That is simply not the case barring BK's negligence, ratification, or something similar attaching liability.

[Splorf22]

Fun thread!

Loraens idea that a raid offense is determined by the entity trained not by the identity trainer is also equally devoid of logic.

I am, thankfully, not a lawyer. However I'm not sure you understand my point. One of the big arguments being presented by the TMO Young Lawyer team is that because there were only 5 TMO in zone and no raid mobs up, it was not a raid dispute. My point was (and is) that because BDA had 20+ people, they were a raid. The number of TMO and the status of the zone are irrelevant. My point was not "BDA gets to claim a raid dispute because, like, that's their opinion, man".

The other point the TMO young lawyer squad tried to make that Dinacarl acted on his own, they were not liable. And I don't agree with that one, either. An organization is responsible for its members. Maybe not in a directly WE CAN SUE YOU sense, but they are. When a cop shoots a civilian, everyone starts asking questions of the chief of police. And they are pissed off, rightly so. Which brings us to:

Not yet. The bouncer example attaches liability in that physical torts are practically expected as part of the fulfillment of his duties. However, the Glitter Factory isn't liable when their bouncer goes across the street and blows up Bushwacker's Gentlemen's club which would ultimately benefit the former.

Training the shit out of someone is not to be expected of or anticipated of a pulling monk unless Tortue is on the job.

Let's also not forget that Unbrella was in the zone - a fact which I mentioned prominently in my original post. That would be like your bouncer taking a flamethrower to your competition's club across the street while the owner looks on approvingly and talks about how it will make an interesting court case. I think his presence invalidates most of your examples. And yes, if Dinacarl had randomly decided to declare war on BDA with no other TMO aware of his actions (cough svenn cough), I wouldn't be quite so quick to assign blame, although I would think the organization should do what they can to compensate the victims. Which I think Cobble is working on.

Also these arguments in general are a great example of people trying to rules lawyer away common sense.

[Duckwalk]

Under that logic a Burger King employee, who was otherwise 100% perfect, could blow up the McDonald's across the street and BK would be liable. That is simply not the case barring BK's negligence, ratification, or something similar attaching liability.

Sorry, I should have been more specific. They are liable for intentional torts reasonably related to job (I don't think it's in the scope of employment).

Your right a a bar will be liable for a bouncer's battery but not them blowing up rival bar.

I'm arguing that a monks training another group is common and reasonably expected.

[Nuggie]

Wasnt going to finish this thread till i seen uth post.

Come back to us.

[Autotune]

You guys may know how to lawyer the real world, but you idiots are clueless on p99.

[doyoueventrainbro]

You can do it yourself. As much shit I talk TMO knows I'm a white knight when it comes to cheating, If I see a guildmate using MQ or RMTing i'll be the first person to get them bant.

It's bad for the server in the eyes of Sony and it's bad for the economy. If I had proof of umbrella RMTing I would hand it over in a heartbeat.

*cricket chirp*

[Champion_Standing]

I think secrets should be a GM again

[doyoueventrainbro]

lol. If secrets ever got the hormones under control enough to be stable, I'd agree. He/she was extremely intelligent and a really good dev.

Uthgaard. Tell us about Ephi

[Colgate]

If you think you can do better, feel free to PM me with your comprehensive and effective strategies for combatting RMT. I'd love to know when/where you became an expert on the subject, and how we can integrate your plans into our current system.



I had a margin of error of less than 5%. If you include accounts that were banned immediately after the inital wave, my margin of error drops into the negatives.



Are you even reading my posts? We've already been over this. The actions of previous CSR staff should not reflect upon the current staff's actions, priorities, or rulings. These people haven't been on staff in years, and yet somehow they are still corrupting the box and compromising it's integrity. Makes sense.



No, the leadership of prominent guilds is not most often at the core of RMT operations. The only RMT operations we've proven so far to be aided/ran by a guild leader was Nizzarr, and he was small time compared to the bigger fish.

Yes, it is the same people who return the next day and attempt to start over. As I stated before, they are barely scraping by at this time. I love how people think there is some magic "ban this player forever!" button that can keep someone from connecting for the rest of their lives. The actual RMT sellers on this server go to great lengths to mask their identities, and while I'm able to see through that with careful scrutiny, there is no way to just permanently remove someone from this server, or any server, without restricting access to a larger group of players.

tl;dr I appreciate your thoughts and criticism, but you really have no idea what you are talking about.

if you realize that ousting RMT requires you to restrict access, in nizzar's case, why is that even an issue? disband nihilum the same way holocaust was disbanded

it seems to me like a no-brainer to punish the other people who knowingly enable and support those who break the rules. i'm sure i don't have to go into detail about how bad it makes the staff look when someone you just banned is immediately being powerleveled and regeared by the entirety of their guild.

i'm struggling to find a reason that this is allowed to go on. are you afraid of losing that chunk of people? do you realize how many people would come back to tbe server and continue to play knowing those scumbags are no longer around to shit up the community? this is where the "tinfoil" theories come from, because there is no apparent sensical reason that these things continue to happen, and basically every staff response is "there are reasons" or "we don't have to answer to you"

if you're ever concerned about why so few people have faith in red99(you should be in all honesty), the CSR staff really needs to man up and actually oust the real toxic players on the server and start to have some transparency

[LulzSect]

Colgate brew. Should be obvious by now what's going in here since launch.

RIP RED

[Blink]

lol. If secrets ever got the hormones under control enough to be stable, I'd agree.

this coming from you made me lol

[a_gnoll_pup]

lol. If secrets ever got the hormones under control enough to be stable, I'd agree. He/she was extremely intelligent and a really good dev.

I know now that my talent is better used in other ways.

I would reject the opportunity to dev/GM directly if it were offered; I do not need GM or source code access to contribute.

[Derubael]

A) I wasn't removed, I voluntarily left.
B) LOL. It's funny because you're implying that I was shit.
...
D) Don't even associate me with Amelinda


I was making a blanket statement in the interest of being concise, and in doing so made a mistake. My apologies. I understand better than almost anyone else how much work you put into the server. Even if I may disagree with some of your methods, I believe you did a lot of good when the server really needed it. I have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who does what we do well for any significant length of time.


C) I don't consider the actions I've disclosed here a mistake.


I disagree, but we should just accept there are many things we won't see eye to eye on. We stand watch over different eras, and what works now likely did not work then.


And I stand by every decision I made. As a consequence, Tiggles and I got the first plat selling website shut right the fuck down. That was a notch I don't believe you have under your belt.

You don't know what I've been able to accomplish during my time on staff, and most of my work will never be shared, so there's no reason for us to have a gmpeen measuring contest.

[harnold]

first off hasbin u got no room calling a person alive dumb u stupid fk. we laughed ur whiney ass outta ez server bc u cried like a litte hoe over an item, second u got laughed out of mumble bc your lack of knowledge made u look utterly retarded because "mr knowitall" was dead fken wrong, thirdly your a plain tool ass douche and ride so many nutts it aint even funny, fouth all u bitches tryin to troll me got trolled into trying to seem cool on here, and finally i was there losers and like you harbinger noobs people talk, pass screen shots and laugh at justin beiber wanna be tools like u kids running around this whack ass forum. you try and try to come up with something good when all u do is make an ass of yourself. look who got owned on this server the whiney ass bitches who call themselves the friends of hasbinbad the same tool who claims hes a nurse yet dont know shit about his own field! lol what now faggot " you hella dumb dawg" lol fken tool. come at me bro? cmon come at me like your sister did in the mud of my redneck pigpen where i nailed her ass and made u an uncle. come at me bro you aint nothin but another thang with no flavor, come at me bro you nuffin and when i come back if p99 red comes out ill be comin at you b/c i know you gonna be running when u see this name, come at that son...

next post comes from a faggot good day!

[Autotune]

there's no reason for us to have a gmpeen measuring contest.

I'd beg to differ. Uthgaard's peen has been posted and this seems like you're cowering in fear at the mere sight of that monstrosity.

[Rivthis]

It's the same thing.

RMT Issue Application of Rules One Way == Makes People Mad.

Training Issues Application of Rules Same Way == Makes People Happy.

--

TMO was crapped on by an individual member; RMT/RL Posters Should be shit on by association as well.

TLDR Sirken is applying the same logic and rules equally. That is the point of my post, it has nothing to do with cock twirling.

OMFG 30 pages since i posted yesterday, i have taco bell to eat and a game to play but here I am.

I still have lots of pages to read, i am sure it will be riveting.

You dumb fuck, it happened 2 fucking weeks ago, and yes you are now measuring cocks, Chest won the contest late (he got extra fluffers) but fuck stop talking about it. YOU LET A GUILDIE train another raid/party/person.

YOU AS MANAGEMENT are responsible for your underlings. If they individually train a raid in Seb than your guild will suffer, the tag above their head is not for show. CONTROL your members, OR at the every least, make sure the ones you tag represents the *new TMO*. if they dont, than you dont tag them or kick them.

The buck stops somewhere and that somewhere should stop at the officers and recruitment page of your website.

You own your guildies whether you like it or not.

FUCK 30ish pages of reading to go. I am sure I will be entertained.

[Gaffin 7.0]

thread just got goog

[Rivthis]

people paying RL money for items in a 15 year old game makes as much sense to me as buying a laserdisc player

$25 dollars and will include Dances of Wolfs and Robin Hood; Prince of Theifs. Gotta love those giant CD looking discs

[Rivthis]

thiefs* before the spelling nazis come

[Mezzmur]

thiefs* before the spelling nazis come

prince of thieves?

[Rivthis]

thieves

before the grammer nazis come

[Rivthis]

Mezz got me

[Autotune]

Mezz got me

Well, you couldn't have made it any easier.

[Rivthis]

Well, you couldn't have made it any easier.

Trying to eat my Taco Bell and make sense of the BS that happened since yesterday. No excuse, but ya.;.. taco bell is good

[doyoueventrainbro]

I'd beg to differ. Uthgaard's peen has been posted and this seems like you're cowering in fear at the mere sight of that monstrosity.

For real.

Dere and Sirken jelly they ain't packing like dat.

[Derubael]

I'd beg to differ. Uthgaard's peen has been posted and this seems like you're cowering in fear at the mere sight of that monstrosity.

if you say so ;)

I've got no desire to show off. That's not what this position is about.

[Rhuma7]

its not even his dick. if you paste the image location into google and search by image youll see the same dick on like 1000 sites

Confirmed homosexual.

[doyoueventrainbro]

if you say so ;)

I've got no desire to show off. That's not what this position is about.

screenshots or you are jelly.

[Nirgon]

Come back Uth!!!

[Nirgon]

I'm very secure about come back Uth

[Rhuma7]

I'm very secure about come back Uth

+9001

[Rhuma7]

Uthgaard coming back would be like when Hulk Hogan came back to the WWF after WCW went under.

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/hulk.jpg

[Rhuma7]

Oh man, talk about about nostalgia in my nostalgia.

[quido]

http://www.msu.edu/~oconne53/brockhoganballs.gif

[magician]

dunno are you proud of being an unpaid video game GM for a 15 year old veins or some shit? i'd open my veins before parading that around the internet

best post in thrad

had a good chuckle

[Funkutron5000]

You say that like it's a big deal.

http://puu.sh/9zSPc/6c339bc290.jpg

That is unsafe laboratory activity. Be prepared for a visit from OSHA.

[Mac Drettj]

pity reply

[quido]

http://www.bestgore.com/torture/three-cops-tazer-versus-crazy-naked-guy/

[Tiggles]

Don't get upset deru when uthgaard and I did our thing it was like the wild west. We were like gangbusters doing what we had too.

It wasent wrong or right, it was necessary. Now that the server is established and safe people can afford to take a softer approach and that's what works now.

Both of you where/are fantastic GMs that have helped the server immensely in your own ways.

[central scrutinizer]

I don't really have any skin in the raiding game as I don't have the time or desire to log the hours needed to do anything beyond questing on classes I did not get to play the first time around...but I bet that any woes from raiders not playing nice would go away if Uthgaard came back and was specifically in charge of monitoring it.

Plus it would be a rnf goldmine and would probably be really, really funny.

Is there any way to make this happen? Can we kickstart it or something?

Uthgaard do you make any confectioneries that we could buy? What's the path forward to making this a reality?

[Argh]

what most people remember about me

I remember most the gay dwarf wedding.

[Bardalicious]

All threads get locked automatically due to inactivity past a certain point. Don't know specifics on time etc.

[Lictor]

Farming HG to refund plat, you sir are nicer than I would have been in that situation

[Derubael]

www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16044

.. But why the fuck is that thread locked? Honestly I do a search and literally every thread in the search result is shut down.

Rogean set all threads older than 3 months to auto-lock.

[Uuruk]

Don't get upset deru when uthgaard and I did our thing it was like the wild west. We were like gangbusters doing what we had too.

It wasent wrong or right, it was necessary. Now that the server is established and safe people can afford to take a softer approach and that's what works now.

Both of you where/are fantastic GMs that have helped TMO immensely in your own ways.

[Nirgon]

Ya and I wish all Sirken or Derubael had to do was hand out a ragebringer piece to kill an RMT site whenever they wanted to.


Brotha can't even get a guise/surname restored these days for tipping staff off of major RMT/sploits instead of taking advantage of em.

[Nirgon]

Rogean set all threads older than 3 months to auto-lock.

Sometimes Rogean does great things.


Other times he does gay things.



Other times we don't understand his reasons for doing either... but they happen.

[Mac Drettj]

lots of vip contributors seeking attention at levels greater than the ugly wannabe prom queen tiggles

[Kekephee]

http://youtu.be/BOOW4sNzkbc?t=15m19s

If I came back for anything at this point it would be an occasional event. Nilbog and I have discussed it in the past, but only in "it could be a thing" terms. Neither of us gave it serious consideration.

Let's do an event where I help you root out RMT and you give me an oogly stick as a reward

[Mac Drettj]

word on the street rogean has summoned things 4 people

[khanable]

Uthgaard gave me 50pp back in 2010 at a orc invasion event in Gfay

I don't really know you, but I like you

[Ambrotos]

This event was pretty fun. A slaughter house of Orcs going crazy. Then the copper bug and the long ass line of people.

How were the Seal Team 6 suppose to underact during that event in sol b? I don't think anyone figured it out.

[zanderklocke]

They're molecules, dipshit.

I don't want to be "that guy", but technically, atoms make up molecules.

[khanable]

Never did any of this emu shit, do you just write scripts that cycle through GM commands?

Or can you more or less "hook" into the server?

(I'm a scientific programmer so sorry if this question appears dumb to actual programmers)

[Akhenaten99]

After reading all of this crap about guilds, RMT, and this dumbass Sirken....I'm glad I decided to go back to live lol. It was an interesting read for sure, but damn....what a bunch of fucking losers.

[khanable]

http://www.neowin.net/forum/uploads/monthly_03_2014/post-350302-0-92735100-1393705841.jpg

[Mac Drettj]

So the original client had /commands. But eqemu is sort of a reverse engineer that doesn't actually work the way it did on live. So most of those don't really work, and eqemu had to implement #commands. Those can be defined in the source, and access levels from 0 to 250 set in the db.

So a predefined #command can do anything that the C++ source code can do.

One of those commands that gives the greatest flexibility, is #perl, which lets you execute a line of perl code. So for example in one of my last GM events, I created a suit of armor and set up a series of perl command hotkeys to alter its resistances so that it was completely immune to all but one form of damage.

http://i.imgur.com/3HLnj.png

It had practical uses as well, such as giving out zonewide stacks of beer, or rezzing an entire zone full of corpses with a single button.

damn thats pretty sweet

[Ambrotos]

That event looked like it was going to be pretty banging. Server just couldn't take more than 70 in that zone.

[lolin]

Uthgaard, can you debunk a mystery please?

Are 45 day server resets a real thing?

[Origin]

<3 Uthgaard

[Ravager]

Shit I don't even remember. That event was mostly Hobby's idea, I just ran the perl scripts.

But what very few people realize is that on that gfay event, I ran a script that was supposed to give everyone in the zone their level * 10 plat. Except it wound up doing a few extra iterations and giving out a lot more... I wound up chasing a bunch of very understanding (and heavily encumbered) newbs around the rest of that afternoon.

I remember that. Everyone in the zone ended up getting 150k plat's worth in copper. At the time that was worth like 5 manastones. Broke my heart to delete it.

[Clark]

I remember that. Everyone in the zone ended up getting 150k plat's worth in copper. At the time that was worth like 5 manastones. Broke my heart to delete it.

lol

[quido]

send them lustrous russets over here

[Mezzmur]

send them lustrous russets over here

I need more LR

[Autotune]

You know what needs to make a comeback?

Thread tags.

[Tiggles]

TMO break fear yet?

[Autotune]

TMO break fear yet?

QF where is my guild invite? I didn't recognize any of the names earlier other than Necrious.

[Arteker]

Yeah this was 2011. Before DDoS protection was on the server. Before many modern customer service tools existed. Before many major plat dupes and exploits had been shored up. Before they realized that they over-valued bad PR from offsite forums. It was very much a frontier setting.

The old threads are still out there somewhere. Most people had no idea what it took to maintain order. Tiggles was a level 25 mage who was nothing on the server. I had no GM tools at that point, but I had the ability to ban and unban people.

I made a few deals with people who had been caught 2boxing, allowing them to get a few items off of the banned characters in exchange for a character (character selling was a legit thing at the time).

I set Tiggles up with a level 60 rogue, in exchange he would act as a plant to infiltrate TMO and find the DDoSers. We had a few other techniques and resources for locating and neutralizing threats that go far beyond what people realize. RMT was a big threat to the server, because SOE was tentatively OK with P99, so long as no profit was made.

But the guy who ran the server's first plat selling website thought he was slick shit, making tons of money by exploiting the trust of his guildmates. Technically couldn't do anything without affecting half of the server's population that he had conned... until he found his bank accounts frozen and his utilities shut off. Never heard from him again after I used his real name, think he put 2 and 2 together.

But I went just as far to help people who needed it. I sat in north karana for three days in between petitions using a forage skill of 50 to do a reimbursement for a stack of plains pebbles once, when I didn't have GM abilities.

Sometimes it takes a criminal to enforce the law in a lawless frontier.
Actualy he was 56 when u said goodbye

[Arteker]

Yeah it was a 50 rogue. I forgot that was way before kunark.

u keep doing it uthgard , i remember kmorrax hispano me (as andromeda) iron clad (worse tank than hydro) and andain zoned into hs to find u both doing power lvl to him.

U dted us , rezed us buffed us and kicked us out the zone. that was pre epic time .
one of the main reasons i almost hated u more than hobby.

[Arteker]

but anwyays even xadion dinged 60 before him.

[Tiggles]

but anwyays even xadion dinged 60 before him.

I'll let you say what you will but that's a bold face lie! No one levels slower than xadion!

[Auvdar]

I didn't have dots. If I wanted to kill you, I had instaclick DT on hotkey #2.

What really happened here, was you zoned in, the entryway mobs killed you, and i was nice enough to rez you.

I can understand why this concept challenges someone who experiences this much difficulty wrangling together enough words to make a coherent sentence.

http://puu.sh/9BB1d/bef8ad6c64.jpg

He didnt say you DoTed him, he said you dted him ;)

[Splorf22]

Please tell me you misclicked that DT key and got Rogean at least once

[quido]

Arteker is a spanish pervert who was brought back to life as an ass-fucking undead after being crushed by a boulder while having sex with a chicken.

[derpcake]

He didnt say you DoTed him, he said you dted him ;)

If you are arrogant enough you obviously don't need to read before replying.

[Arteker]

I didn't have dots. If I wanted to kill you, I had instaclick DT on hotkey #2.

What really happened here, was you zoned in, the entryway mobs killed you, and i was nice enough to rez you.

I can understand why this concept challenges someone who experiences this much difficulty wrangling together enough words to make a coherent sentence.

http://puu.sh/9BB1d/bef8ad6c64.jpg

sorry uth , im Esl, in words of anal fingers just a filthy spaniard, but u are wrong.

first becasue back then, when all that happened, i was enjoying to be no kos in HS, the old faction made the mobs in vs faction wich i enjoyed thanks to be vp keyed with my necro.

and no what triggered ur anger was Andain maybe u remember him a funny druid and a great player. when he shout GM corruption .

u Dtd him then rest of the group , i was last . but its true u were power leveling qf .


the real question i wanna know if u dont mind to answer is this.

Back in time , some gm poped a false trakanon with a note inside. i was the traker and got ·$·$%$ because i did not conned it and called it was up.

was that you=?

[Eashan]

Tick tock, tick tock, tick... tock, tick..... Tock, tick.......... Tock, tick.................. tock.
Time is running out kids :(

[Tiggles]

Tick tock, tick tock, tick... tock, tick..... Tock, tick.......... Tock, tick.................. tock.
Time is running out kids :(

Sup big Eashan, Whats the time?

[Thana8088]

Tick tock, tick tock, tick... tock, tick..... Tock, tick.......... Tock, tick.................. tock.
Time is running out kids :(

Gosh! Thank you for the warning! I, for one, feel great trepidation.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Tick tock, tick tock, tick... tock, tick..... Tock, tick.......... Tock, tick.................. tock.
Time is running out kids :(

You keep saying that.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

Inigo.jpg

[Nuggie]

Time is running out. Winter is nearly upon us!

The Winter Wolves are coming
They are drawing ever near
The Winter Wolves are coming
They smell our blood, our fear

The Winter Wolves are coming
In packs of hundreds and more
The Winter Wolves are coming
They are knocking at our door

The Winter Wolves are coming
With teeth as sharp as knives
The Winter Wolves are coming
They mean to take our lives

The Winter wolves are coming
The smell our blood, our fear
The Winter Wolves are coming
The Cold of Death is here.

By

Tim Vallie

[Sirken]

Tick tock, tick tock, tick... tock, tick..... Tock, tick.......... Tock, tick.................. tock.
Time is running out kids :(

subtle server threats, how original

[Ungriim]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken

arbitrary personal threats, how original

[Tiggles]

subtle server threats, how original

I hung out with Eashan and he was a fun guy, He told me a lot of EQ secrets and I don't think he's out to get the server. He did say the server will never see Velious because it will be DDOS'd by a group of people who don't like the server.

Eashan The misses and I are going to try and make it up to Boston again this summer, We need to go get some drinks, my treat this time.

[Rhymez]

Banning accounts that don't break rules because you feel threatened, real original

[Ahldagor]

nuggie is a confirmed wolf kid

[Mac Drettj]

I hung out with Eashan and he was a fun guy, He told me a lot of EQ secrets and I don't think he's out to get the server. He did say the server will never see Velious because it will be DDOS'd by a group of people who don't like the server.

Eashan The misses and I are going to try and make it up to Boston again this summer, We need to go get some drinks, my treat this time.

Try match.com and put some keywords like bear otter twink in ur profile

[Tiggles]

Try match.com and put some keywords like bear otter twink in ur profile

I get Bear and Twink but what the hell is a Otter? I'm afraid to google.

[fadetree]

I went there. Its a skinny bear as close as I could tell.

[myriverse]

basically, otter = small bear

[Lune]

If you are referring to Trakanot, the impostor dragon with 1 HP and the note that said "you suck", while two guilds poopsocked the spawn point...

Yes that was me. And it was funny as shit.

oh god lol

[Ungriim]

If you are referring to Trakanot, the impostor dragon with 1 HP and the note that said "you suck", while two guilds poopsocked the spawn point...

Yes that was me. And it was funny as shit.

I got one of those notes from y'all for playing an AE song on a 150 person noble poopsock and making half the people go linkdead...but alas it is gone :(

[Nirgon]

That's KLK? I had assumed it was pony crap. Not that KLK isn't crap.

http://i.imgur.com/BZ291uQ.gif

[Gaffin 7.0]

http://i.imgur.com/BZ291uQ.gif

ROFL

[Massive Marc]

http://tinypic.com/r/143n8zm/8The good ol days:

http://i59.tinypic.com/143n8zm.png

[mtb tripper]

roids

[Eashan]

Sirken, you seem like a cool guy but please believe me when I tell you I have never had anything but good intentions for the server and I have done a few things in the past to help ensure its longevity. However unfortunately it seems things my be coming to an end but not by my hand. But who knows maybe they just blowing smoke up everyone's ass, then again maybe not.

[Frieza_Prexus]

However unfortunately it seems things my be coming to an end but not by my hand..

Care to elaborate?

Who am I kidding? Of course you don't.

[Autotune]

Sirken, you seem like a cool guy but please believe me when I tell you I have never had anything but good intentions for the server and I have done a few things in the past to help ensure its longevity. However unfortunately it seems things my be coming to an end but not by my hand. But who knows maybe they just blowing smoke up everyone's ass, then again maybe not.

"DOOM! DOOM ON YOU ALL!! But maybe not.... but MAYBE DOOM! MAYBE DOOM ON YOU ALL!"

"Please believe me! I maybe think I might know some things."

[Massive Marc]

What ever happened with that anyway? IIRC I tried to help you out and you abruptly got super snarky with me before I could get all of the info.

The guy had a failed attempt with his shitty bot net then fucked off and disappeared. Was some epic rage.

I shouldn't have been a dick to you, you've helped me out when you totally could have told me to fuck off. At the end of the day, like life, this server isn't perfect. You do the best you can with what you have.

[Nuggie]

Eashen why do you say bad words things like "end" at us like that? Rogean's crazy driving finally end up with him wrapping his car around a tree? Irs come after him? Comets heading our way? What you got brother?

[Eunomia]

I do worry about Rogean's driving. I'm trying to change that behavior in an elaborate plan.

As far as the IRS, IF they decided to audit anyone on staff, it would just be an inconvenience. I can't say the same for some of you RMT'ers.

I'm going with comets.

I felt I needed to post in this thread at some point. This was it :)

[Derubael]

I can't say the same for some of you RMT'ers.


Surprisingly (or maybe unsurprisingly?) most of the larger RMT operators actually pay taxes. I remember hearing this from someone who was friends with one of the larger ones. I lol'd pretty hard. I guess if you're making enough you kinda have to, huh?

[Derubael]

Oh, and besides that, I agree with everything Eunomia said. Rogean drives like a madman, and if the IRS decided to audit any of us, the results would probably be pretty boring (and an unfortunate waste of tax-payer dollars).

[Ambrotos]

I'll claim my RMT money while serving in a combat zone. Tax free then suckers.

[Tiggles]

I heard Sony is shutting down P99 when EQNext comes out to not cause confusion over the word Everquest.

[Ungriim]

Surprisingly (or maybe unsurprisingly?) most of the larger RMT operators actually pay taxes. I remember hearing this from someone who was friends with one of the larger ones. I lol'd pretty hard. I guess if you're making enough you kinda have to, huh?

Up until a few years ago PayPal wasn't required to dish out tax forms. Now its $20k in transactions with 200 unique transactions = forms are sent

[Smedy]

so domain whois lookup is now illegal and will lead you to get BAN BAN in game?

seems legit, gm's shootin from their hips again heheheheh

[radditsu]

I whoised dicktaters.com to find out who geromy was. No lie.

[Uuruk]

Deru/Sirken, does porting RL info not apply if you are guilded in TMO?

[Nirgon]

Only if you are bad at EverQuest

[Lazie]

Deru/Sirken, does porting RL info not apply if you are guilded in TMO?

Of course it doesn't. We are TMO.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

when i find out who u are, and i will because most of you are like little gossipy high school girls, i'm going to perma ban your accounts, im going to perma ban any known friends that harbored you without alerting me you were there, i'm going to disband the guild you played in, and im going to perma ban the officer core as well as main members of that guild.

consider warning shots officially fired

<3
Sirken

is this still a thing?

[Tiggles]

Of course it doesn't. We are TMO.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Is this an indirect admission that TMO members have been posting RL info? For shame!

[Kekephee]

Is this an indirect admission that TMO members have been posting RL info? For shame!

Over on the red boards. Jeremy. This whole thing. Some guy. Posts deleted no ban. I wouldn't worry about it too much

[Mac Drettj]

Over on the red boards. Jeremy. This whole thing. Some guy. Posts deleted no ban. I wouldn't worry about it too much

Possible stroke

[quido]

I live at 123 Get Bent Ln

[Kekephee]

Possible stroke

Rellapse has been making a lot more sense to me the last few minutes

[Kekephee]

I miss Lron

[Mac Drettj]

Lol