Congratulations Lord Bob

[quido]

I heard Culprit got suspended for a month today for training. Is this true?

[Rhambuk]

I heard Culprit got suspended for a month today for training. Is this true?

What is your opinion of the leadership of lorad bob jeremy?

[hatelore]

Culprit has fully transformed in to a used French Maxi Pad.

[Urath]

http://youtu.be/VSodk10fC3M

[Rhambuk]

http://youtu.be/VSodk10fC3M

youtuDOTbe?

no thank you sir

[quido]

lol u dum rhambuk

[Rhambuk]

lol u dum rhambuk

aww I just wanted to spread the message of corruption through you!

[Tasslehofp99]

youtuDOTbe?

no thank you sir

Lol for real?

[Silent]

Only read the first page, But makes me glad I play on red. Where shit like this doesn't happen, Because we kill each other mmmk. I would say go play red if your mad people hopped your island, But shit happens I guess. Especially if a loot whore guild wants to get there first.

[Emsee]

Red still sux cock.

[Unidus]

There is a reason red has a low population. The server sucks.

[nyde]

you all suck anyway...

[Thulack]

Way to go Taken for being a bunch of douche's and stealing Lord Bob's General spawn.

Also fuck Taken for killing all the DEs in Kith. No fucking class as usual.

Lol like talking shit huh? Considering i told you in tells exactly what happened when you asked me if we were done with DE's and you laughed about it. Forumquest much?

[Thulack]

Juvento's Response to the story about DE's i told him last night:

[Sat Feb 08 22:44:06 2014] Juevento tells you, 'rofl thats great'

[Asap]

BDA members shit talking on forums? This is new

[hatelore]

a level 45 nobody chiming in?


That's def new~

[Asap]

a level 45 nobody chiming in?


That's def new~


Because those are my only characters, sit down you tall skinny bitch

[hatelore]

You are a non factor to the raid scene or anything people 50+ do on this server, so stfu and continue lurking~ lawl

[williestargell]

Just to clear up the comment about Taken "stealing" General:

Bob guild left the zone after repeated failures, leaving the poor guy that had turned in stuck. Taken came, killed the mob, gave the guy the pouch to finish his epic. We didn't steal anything.

General was going to remain up til someone came along and collected it, because Lord Bob had given up. We were just the first/lucky guild to notice it.

Yes, we got an EoN out of it. But the poor guy that actually did his turn-in didn't face a total loss either.

And yes we killed all the DE's, the only two remaining up were ones that can drop good loot so we killed them. We would normally choose to leave up one that doesn't drop anything, but that wasn't an option.

[khanable]

Just to clear up the comment about Taken "stealing" General:

Bob guild left the zone after repeated failures, leaving the poor guy that had turned in stuck. Taken came, killed the mob, gave the guy the pouch to finish his epic. We didn't steal anything.

General was going to remain up til someone came along and collected it, because Lord Bob had given up. We were just the first/lucky guild to notice it.

Yes, we got an EoN out of it. But the poor guy that actually did his turn-in didn't face a total loss either.

And yes we killed all the DE's, the only two remaining up were ones that can drop good loot so we killed them. We would normally choose to leave up one that doesn't drop anything, but that wasn't an option.

Nice of you guys to get the pouch to the turn in guy. The new general ain't nothin' to fuck with. Beast mode x10.

Rest of you need to calm your tits over the DE kills -- they're loot kills, and they spawn like every 8 hours or something, chill the fuck out, jeez.

[Babayaaga]

Too much this work this week so my Forumquest is a bit off... but what the fuck is going on with this guild?

Earlier there's a Lord Bob post acquiesing to wrongdoings and asking to join rotations, despite which they've continued perpetuating and defending bad habits?

Is anyone in Lord Bob on the same page?

It makes for some fun reading at work but seriously people... how many times can you smash your heads against a brick wall? It's like watching black comedy.

[Ella`Ella]

To my surprise, Dojo was on the bottom of every list and now I'm being told this is NON-NEGOTIABLE (per chest), even though we had zero prior knowledge to this.

Currently as it stands Dojo will not see a target for 3+ months. Also we are not permitted to enter sky (per chest). So basically my guild is being told to do "nothing" for 3 months or go back to FTE if we cannot handle it.


Chest is punishing you the same way he punished the Class C guilds for enjoying "Classic" Everquest.

[arsenalpow]

Hyjal lying again, nothing new here.

[Splorf22]

Chest is punishing you the same way he punished the Class C guilds for enjoying "Classic" Everquest.

variance extremely classic

/facepalm

[Aaron]

Until this issue is resolved Dojo is back to being an FTE guild.

We were not told we were on the bottom of the rotation until AFTER. So post your logs.

Haha..

So Dolj is back to zero kills as opposed to standing in line for kills. Good luck!

[khanable]

So what, Dojo got access to the timers and then rages about being added to the bottom of the list and "goes back to FTE"?

I mean, I gotta give them credit for pulling one over on everyone.

Dick move, though.

[Aaron]

They're complaining about not having rights to a kill for almost 3 months - aside from FFA/FTE kills, which they don't win.

Yet, their solution is to have every one of their kills be FTE, which means they will not get anything for AT LEAST the next 3 months.

Good logic.

[arsenalpow]

Posted my logs, got highly annoyed

[Kegir]

Hyjal, you should really nominate someone else to speak for your guild. Chest making you sound like a child.

[Kagatob]

Hyjal, you sound like a child.

Fixed for straight to the point.

[quido]

I've never met anyone who sounds like more of an insufferable nerd in vent than Acarer (Hyjal).

[Vyal]

http://www.realultimatepower.net/

[radditsu]

I've never met anyone who sounds like more of an insufferable nerd in vent than Acarer (Hyjal).

Geromy has a huge bur up his ass for this guy.

[citizen1080]

Geromy has a huge bur up his ass for this guy.

Maybe


But you have to admit that Hyjal is a complete jerkoff. Not even taking into account that he is acarer, he would still rate pretty high on the p99 douchebag awards show.

[hatelore]

lol, what a thread.

[Ciroco]

Just the fact that they were ever given a spot on the rotation is enough to blow my mind.

[Infuriati]

Culprit suspended? rofl this makes me happy :)

[hatelore]

Seems training runs in the FE family, had some moron named tanasg train me at ng earlier on my monk.

lol ( who the fuck trains a monk anyways?). Guy sat there and cried in ooc for about 15 min about someone stealing his camp that he was never at or something lol. Fe, reign in your members please, think the poor guy is on suicide watch now.

[Ella`Ella]

Seems training runs in the FE family, had some moron named tanasg train me at ng earlier on my monk.

lol ( who the fuck trains a monk anyways?). Guy sat there and cried in ooc for about 15 min about someone stealing his camp that he was never at or something lol. Fe, reign in your members please, think the poor guy is on suicide watch now.

Strange to hear Tanasg's name on RnF. He is one of the most considerate people I know in FE.

[hatelore]

Sorry to slander your guild unbrella, but those are facts. You also know me very well, the dude is a basketcase. Ask anyone that had to sit in seb and listen to him cry in ooc over a ng spawn, out of all things.

[Lazie]

Sorry to slander your guild unbrella, but those are facts. You also know me very well, the dude is a basketcase. Ask anyone that had to sit in seb and listen to him cry in ooc over a ng spawn, out of all things.

I call BS. Straight up. Is your monk Rapidfist ? Because from the story of a few folks there he was the one training summonable mobs on NG after he got them in summon range.

[Lazie]

from what i saw Tanasg was constantly wiping at NG with Aerowen or whoever all on their own

That may be the case. However the story I hear is the only person training there was a monk named Rapidfist. From more than one source. Which is what Hatelore was trying to claim Tanasg did.

[hatelore]

You can call bs all you want, but that is def not what happened. I rolled into seb, asked my guildy what was up. guildy told me tanasg was being a prick, I asked him why. He told me he had ng camp and tanasg came out of no where after he killed two bugs saying it was his camp , then tried to ks the bugs.

At this point everyone in Seb saw Tanasg going off in ooc asking if the camp was still his just because he left for supposedly 2 sec to go get a drink. I strolled over to ng to ask tanasg why he was crying in ooc, and to bring it to forums or petition.

His response was " and wait 4 days for a response? That doesn't help me now" I mean really? You need those gems that gd bad?

So, as we sat there, the bugs all spawned, he sat there crying for another 10 or so min, so I said fuck it, and attempted to kill a bug. If you are calling a camp, you need to kill your shit, not sit there and argue and whine for 10 or so minutes.

As I got the bug down to 50% he pulled the other 2 bugs, 1 bug was obviously social aggro on the other bug , and as he pulled them past me one stopped and started beating on me. At this point I killed my bug and fd. I look over and see him and another noob die to about 5 frogs, which had zero to do with me, since I was near the rocks where bugs are , killing those. Infact, the bard that was with him even said in /say that tanasg pulled those frogs.


So you can call bullshit all you want, but those are facts. And when I tried to explain social aggro to Tanasg he didn't even know wtf I was talking about. Nice to see people in 2014 still don't understand this game.

Unbrella has grouped with me numerous times in Seb, and knows I am legit. Let a gm weigh in, if he wants to look through the logs. I did not, and would not train anyone in Seb.

These are facts.

[Lazie]

You can call bs all you want, but that is def not what happened. I rolled into seb, asked my guildy what was up. guildy told me tanasg was being a prick, I asked him why. He told me he had ng camp and tanasg came out of no where after he killed two bugs saying it was his camp , then tried to ks the bugs.

At this point everyone in Seb saw Tanasg going off in ooc asking if the camp was still his just because he left for supposedly 2 sec to go get a drink. I strolled over to ng to ask tanasg why he was crying in ooc, and to bring it to forums or petition.

His response was " and wait 4 days for a response? That doesn't help me now" I mean really? You need those gems that gd bad?

So, as we sat there, the bugs all spawned, he sat there crying for another 10 or so min, so I said fuck it, and attempted to kill a bug. If you are calling a camp, you need to kill your shit, not sit there and argue and whine for 10 or so minutes.

As I got the bug down to 50% he pulled the other 2 bugs, 1 bug was obviously social aggro on the other bug , and as he pulled them past me one stopped and started beating on me. At this point I killed my bug and fd. I look over and see him and another noob die to about 5 frogs, which had zero to do with me, since I was near the rocks where bugs are , killing those. Infact, the bard that was with him even said in /say that tanasg pulled those frogs.


So you can call bullshit all you want, but those are facts. And when I tried to explain social aggro to Tanasg he didn't even know wtf I was talking about. Nice to see people in 2014 still don't understand this game.

Unbrella has grouped with me numerous times in Seb, and knows I am legit. Let a gm weigh in, if he wants to look through the logs. I did not, and would not train anyone in Seb.

These are facts.

So you went to another persons camp...pulled a mob in the camp and now admit it on the forums. I mean sounds to me like Tanasg had a gripe there if he was at the camp and people came into it and was asking for clarification. Instead of getting clarification you pulled a mob in a camp someone else was camping and flopped it because he also pulled mobs in HIS camp. Sounds like the GMs should look into this.

[hatelore]

So again,. reign in your members Fe, and teach them that there are more important things in life, then Ng gems or crying in ooc for 15 about a spawn that you afk'ed on ( If you were ever there at all) .

Go read the camp rules, the camp rules don't say anywhere that you can sit at a spawn claiming it, talking shit, yet not killing your spawns. He sat there for a good 10 or 15 min crying in /say , before I even engaged the bug. And to be quite honest? If he wouldn't have trained me? I would have killed all 3 bugs.

If I call a camp, I kill the shit I am camping. Not sit there and cry for 10 min, because I was afk supposedly getting a drink or fapping.

[hatelore]

Are you slow? He wasn't camping shit, the other person was claiming the camp. After he cried for 15 min in ooc, the other person said fuck it and left. Then he sat there for an other 10 or 15 min griping at me, not killing a damn thing. That is when I engaged the bug.

[hatelore]

I didnt pull anything into the camp either, I killed my mob at the rocks where the bugs spawn. And I split the bugs and got my mob single, and killed it in pretty close proximity to where the bugs spawn, Out of aggro range from the normal ng camp. As I said, if a Gm wants to weigh in, I would love that. Tanasg was definitely in the wrong from the get go, and attempted to steal the camp from the person who was originally camping it .

[Lazie]

Are you slow? He wasn't camping shit, the other person was claiming the camp. After he cried for 15 min in ooc, the other person said fuck it and left. Then he sat there for an other 10 or 15 min griping at me, not killing a damn thing. That is when I engaged the bug.

That is your story after you killed 2 people at NG camp with your aggro. No one else flopped aggro there or pulled aggro they couldn't handle to a camp someone else was already occupying. Good luck with your petition quest. Just glad that you admitted you walked into a situation on the word of a guildie instead of the people actually there. Then after walking into the situation you made it worse by killing people with your aggro.

[hatelore]

Are you fucking slow? If you are attacking a mob, whether a monk or sk, and you immediately feign, guess what ? You will not get a successful fd. You have to pause and stop attack for at least a second before you feign, to get a succesful aggro.

Let me explain social aggro because you obviously are too slow to understand it. If someone pulls a mob, and another mob is near that will normally assist, guess what homeskittle? Your going to get both mobs. But since you did not attack both mobs, the social aggro mob will follow you, but if someone else is closeby and attacking a mob, it will go to that person. This is what happened. As I was killing my bug, he pulled 2 mobs past me, the social aggro mob stopped and attacked me.

At this point I attempted fd but I didn't pause and stop attack, so my fd was not successful. At this point I stood, still with my bug and the one he trained on me, and killed my bug. After I killed my bug I fd, and he got back the original that he initially pulled.

[quido]

you guys should duel

[Lazie]

Are you fucking slow? If you are attacking a mob, whether a monk or sk, and you immediately feign, guess what ? You will not get a successful fd. You have to pause and stop attack for at least a second before you feign, to get a succesful aggro.

Let me explain social aggro because you obviously are too slow to understand it. If someone pulls a mob, and another mob is near that will normally assist, guess what homeskittle? Your going to get both mobs. But since you did not attack both mobs, the social aggro mob will follow you, but if someone else is closeby and attacking a mob, it will go to that person. This is what happened. As I was killing my bug, he pulled 2 mobs past me, the social aggro mob stopped and attacked me.

At this point I attempted fd but I didn't pause and stop attack, so my fd was not successful. At this point I stood, still with my bug and the one he trained on me, and killed my bug. After I killed my bug I fd, and he got back the original that he initially pulled.

I'm a monk and understand aggro perfectly. But as you had no idea whoms camp it was (You were taking the word of you guildie you readily admit). You likely were in someone else's camp pulling mobs that you should not have been pulling while they were waiting on clarification of another person walking in their camp taking mobs. Then while pulling mobs in the persons camp you stop to fight the mob in the middle of a pull path ??? Then you get mad when they decide to pull mobs in THEIR camp and they social aggro you because you were in someone else's camp. You sound like the slow one personally.

Then after pulling a mob in someone else's camp...You social aggro their pull with that mob because you were fighting it in a pull path and then FLOP your mob as well into their pull. Hm sounds like someone definitely trained someone here but not the person you claimed.

[Lazie]

you guys should duel

haha only if you loan me a sow pot!

[hatelore]

Haha,


Hi Tasang, Have you seen the new Ruby Crown and Emerald ring I just got in? lawl.

Funniest part was watching him train me, then me own my bug with another bug beating on me, and look out of the corner of my eyes and see him and his bard friend die to about 5 frogs. That shit was def karma. lawl

[hatelore]

I'm a monk and understand aggro perfectly. But as you had no idea whoms camp it was (You were taking the word of you guildie you readily admit). You likely were in someone else's camp pulling mobs that you should not have been pulling while they were waiting on clarification of another person walking in their camp taking mobs. Then while pulling mobs in the persons camp you stop to fight the mob in the middle of a pull path ??? Then you get mad when they decide to pull mobs in THEIR camp and they social aggro you because you were in someone else's camp. You sound like the slow one personally.

Then after pulling a mob in someone else's camp...You social aggro their pull with that mob because you were fighting it in a pull path and then FLOP your mob as well into their pull. Hm sounds like someone definitely trained someone here but not the person you claimed.

Lol, I am not even going to argue that, that were enough people around to see what happened. You should go smoke another one~

Go read the camp rules. You obviously have not.

[Lazie]

Haha,


Hi Tasang, Have you seen the new Ruby Crown and Emerald ring I just got in? lawl.

Funniest part was watching him train me, then me own my bug with another bug beating on me, and look out of the corner of my eyes and see him and his bard friend die to about 5 frogs. That shit was def karma. lawl

It's sure is funny you trained them with another mob yes while they were dealing with their pull. I am done here because obviously you don't understand that you were actually the one in the wrong in this situation. I mean you admitted you walked into the camp on the word of a guildie without knowing the situation. I really wish ya the best but people have been suspended for doing what you did.

[Lazie]

Lol, I am not even going to argue that, that were enough people around to see what happened. You should go smoke another one~

Go read the camp rules. You obviously have not.

You should reread them if you think you remotely understand them.

[hatelore]

Here you go, since you are too slow to understand the rules about training.


Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules.

pay close attention to the area of the sentence that mentions dumping, Then you might get a grasp as to what he did to me.

And also, just in case you are too slow to understand it, the camp was not his. When you sit on your ass for 10 to 15 min arguing, not killing mobs at a camp you supposedly claim, that is not your camp anymore, Not that it was his anyway. You need to be killing or working toward killing the mobs at the camp you supposedly claim. When I got up to kill the bug, that was the same moment I was claiming that camp as my own.

And yes, he did intentionally train me. Luckily Karma was close by and killed him with 5 frogs.

[hatelore]

But since you were obviously there, you obviously have a good grasp as to wtf happened =P. Either way, bless your heart for being a good champ and sticking up for your training buddy lawl .

[Lazie]

Here you go, since you are too slow to understand the rules about training.


Training can be defined as the intentional manipulation of NPC Placement and Aggro in such a way that causes it to attack another player that it wouldn't have otherwise if at it's normal spawn location. The most basic form of this is "dumping" mobs near another player or party and escaping via a form of teleportation or death. Intentional or not, this is against the rules.

pay close attention to the area of the sentence that mentions dumping, Then you might get a grasp as to what he did to me.

And also, just in case you are too slow to understand it, the camp was not his. When you sit on your ass for 10 to 15 min arguing, not killing mobs at a camp you supposedly claim, that is not your camp anymore, Not that it was his anyway. You need to be killing or working toward killing the mobs at the camp you supposedly claim. When I got up to kill the bug, that was the same moment I was claiming that camp as my own.

And yes, he did intentionally train me. Luckily Karma was close by and killed him with 5 frogs.

Except that all goes out of the window when you invade someone elses camp and engage a mob in their pull path that is a mob in their camp. This will be my last post to you because you are too slow to grasp the weight of what you did. You should have read the new PNP instead of saying "Fuck it I'll pull".

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.

Project 1999 Staff will not be defining what constitutes a camp. Instead, Project 1999 Customer Service Staff will arbitrate spawn disputes on a per-case-basis. We greatly encourage players to find their own resolution to spawn disputes, as the solution provided by the staff will at best be a win-lose situation, and possbily a lose-lose situation. No two decisions, even at the same 'camp', are guaranteed to be the same, as we will take into account multiple factors in making a determination on a 'camp'.

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

Please do your best to use courtesy and common sense when interacting with other players in spawn disputes.

Now can you see where you went wrong here ? You went into a camp under dispute that the GMs are asking players to work out between themselves before involving staff. Instead of waiting on a compromise to be reached you basically went cowboy and said "Fuck it, I'll pull". Which in turn made the other party disputing the camp that they had been at before anyone else say "Oh no you don't I will pull too since this was my camp to begin with". Your actions further escalated a dispute and problem instead of helping resolve it. It got worse when you couldn't handle aggro in a camp under dispute and flopped your pull in with theirs.

[hatelore]

hahaha, dude, you are pretty slow man. I am not going to spam this thread anymore with this drama.

The good news is, Tanasg , after crying in ooc, training, and dying, eventually got the camp, not sure if he could hold it after I left, but I am pretty sure he did get it in the end.

I could give two fucks about the camp to be honest, I def don't need any pp and there are much easier and faster ways to level then to camp a gem camp.

And like I said in the beginning, if a gm would weigh in, he would most definitely tell you that Tanasg is a basketcase who didn't have the camp in the first place. You gloss over the fact that he was trying to ks the person who originally claimed the camp , the fact that he trained me, and the fact that he is a overall douche.

Anyone that has ever grouped with me, knows I am a standup guy, and this is the first drama I think I have ever been in on this server regarding a camp dispute, lol.

His whole argument, for all of this was " I hate chest and I am sick of bda running over me " that was his own words too lol. Poor guy takes this game way too seriously, if he is married, I am pretty sure his poor wife misses him.

[khanable]

stop derailing jeez

anyway this lulz was linked to me

http://i.imgur.com/hkDGhY4.png
http://i.imgur.com/BvWEFcy.png
http://i.imgur.com/dhbTMvU.png

[Lazie]

I'm slow you say ? Hm lets see what you said in this thread shall we. I will bold the key parts of your post that shows you had no clue what the truth of that camp was. That it was infact a dispute that you walked into and escalated and you in fact were the person that not knowing the situation trained the camp owners with your aggro.

You can call bs all you want, but that is def not what happened. I rolled into seb, asked my guildy what was up. guildy told me tanasg was being a prick, I asked him why. He told me he had ng camp and tanasg came out of no where after he killed two bugs saying it was his camp , then tried to ks the bugs.

^^Here you are taking the word of a guildie right off the bat without taking time to assess the situation.

At this point everyone in Seb saw Tanasg going off in ooc asking if the camp was still his just because he left for supposedly 2 sec to go get a drink. I strolled over to ng to ask tanasg why he was crying in ooc, and to bring it to forums or petition.

^^ Here you are telling someone to petition or take it to the forums when GMs expressly said they would rather players work it out among themselves when a camp is in dispute per the new PNP.

His response was " and wait 4 days for a response? That doesn't help me now" I mean really? You need those gems that gd bad?

So, as we sat there, the bugs all spawned, he sat there crying for another 10 or so min, so I said fuck it, and attempted to kill a bug. If you are calling a camp, you need to kill your shit, not sit there and argue and whine for 10 or so minutes.

^^ Here is your biggest mistake and you admit it for everyone to read. A camp is in dispute and a player according to you is whining while trying to resolve the situation. Your answer to helping to resolve the situation is "Fuck it, I will pull you are calling camp and not killing". Seems obvious to anyone reading what you typed the guy was trying to get the dispute resolved. Whether he did it correctly who knows ? But he wasn't pulling mobs to cause further problems at that point. Just trying to get an answer.

As I got the bug down to 50% he pulled the other 2 bugs, 1 bug was obviously social aggro on the other bug , and as he pulled them past me one stopped and started beating on me. At this point I killed my bug and fd. I look over and see him and another noob die to about 5 frogs, which had zero to do with me, since I was near the rocks where bugs are , killing those. Infact, the bard that was with him even said in /say that tanasg pulled those frogs.

^^Admitting you fought a mob in someone elses camp and got social aggro on their pull. Admitted to killing a mob in their camp and then flopping your social aggro. Now people at that camp say the mob you flopped was summoning..Which who knows its a your word versus their word on that. Simple fact is you admit to entering a camp dispute and thinking "Fuck it I will pull". You then killed a mob in someone else's camp.

So you can call bullshit all you want, but those are facts. And when I tried to explain social aggro to Tanasg he didn't even know wtf I was talking about. Nice to see people in 2014 still don't understand this game.

Unbrella has grouped with me numerous times in Seb, and knows I am legit. Let a gm weigh in, if he wants to look through the logs. I did not, and would not train anyone in Seb.

These are facts.

Again man you could be a great guy in most situations. You however walked into a camp dispute and instead of helping resolve the problem you had an attitude about the mobs and pulling them that just escalated it more. You went completely on the word of someone you admit is in your guild. You had no idea what had transpired at the camp before you arrived and just assumed your guildie was in the right. You made the situation worse and you fought and killed a mob in someone elses camp and according to some engaged another mob and got it to summoning health then flopped it. Now you may not have intentionally got it to that health as ripostes can do it very easily if were you engaged on 2 mobs at once (Which you admit).

Best of luck to ya man, but as an observer of this I would advise not to walk into camp disputes and go cowboy next time. I would also advise not coming to forums after doing that and claiming someone else trained you when you were in someone's camp pulling mobs in it during a dispute.

[Colgate]

jesus this server's drama is awful

[arsenalpow]

So there are logs from Hyjal's Thursday meeting being all positive and agreeing to all of the class r stipulations and being made fully aware of Dolj's position in the rotation. His 180 as of yesterday proves that he only initially agreed in order to gain access to the class R rotation list so it would be easier for Dolj to prey on the small guilds.

On a server with a pretty deep history of douchebag moves that is right up there with any of them. Dolj is scum through and through.

[Tecmos Deception]

So there are logs from Hyjal's Thursday meeting being all positive and agreeing to all of the class r stipulations and being made fully aware of Dolj's position in the rotation. His 180 as of yesterday proves that he only initially agreed in order to gain access to the class R rotation list so it would be easier for Dolj to prey on the small guilds.

On a server with a pretty deep history of douchebag moves that is right up there with any of them. Dolj is scum through and through.

He just wonts a reasonable offer, guys.

[Prismaticshop]

http://i.imgur.com/dhbTMvU.png

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif

[arsenalpow]

They will only FTE targets in class R that are being pursued by the small guilds. They won't contest shit when it's against BDA, Taken, or Divinity. They sure as shit won't compete during FFA because if upper echelon class R guilds are working them over god knows what a TMO, FE/IB train squad will do. Then they absolutely will not ever go after a class C mob because then they'll be worked like a speed bag on the daily by the rest of class C.

I absolutely cannot fathom why anyone stays in Dolj.

[Aaron]

Can we all agree that Lazie and hatelore should leave this thread and bicker elsewhere?

[Thulack]

stop derailing jeez

anyway this lulz was linked to me

http://i.imgur.com/hkDGhY4.png
http://i.imgur.com/BvWEFcy.png
http://i.imgur.com/dhbTMvU.png


Just fyi Pryvit is Krimes. If anyone wants to avoid him for chardok AE's go for it :)

[arsenalpow]

Seems that Krimes was also the mastermind of Dolj leapfrogging the PUG fear raid. Some supremacy, Europa, at one point some Taken members, and I think some Ni went into fear to get some armor. There might have even been a few Dolj there with them. Wraith happened to spawn. They start clearing temple to pull it. Dolj zones in with a small raid. The PUG asks them their intentions, Dolj says they are going for wraith, PUG raid asks them not to, Dolj leapfrogs them anyways and kills wraith, for Krimes I'm assuming.

I asked for a Dolj officer yesterday and get Krimes. He states that Dolj was never asked to back off. This is obviously bullshit because as you can see Dolj's SOP is to claim ignorance anytime there's some sort of controversy. I guess it's part of the guild charter, always play dumb.

[Lojik]

Why they gonna FTE without me?

[radditsu]

This is just the kind of cocksucking RNF needs.

[mgellan]

http://i.imgur.com/dhbTMvU.png

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/lol.gif

Well so far they've been operating without Logic....

Regards,
Mg

[CodyF86]

Haven't even left hate yet, no flames from me here, but PSA raid tracker isnt exactly accurate ATM.

Only posting because they trained us 3 times at the fountain and had to let some rage out.

[Mon Feb 10 19:03:23 2014] Sirken shouts, 'as per server rules, the mob goes to the person on the top of the FTE list and in this instance that person was Raev of the Ateam, followed 4 sec later by Jettli of Doljon'

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Kushie]

60 pages - can i have TLDR?

[pharmakos]

60 pages - can i have TLDR?

"it's been agreed the whole world stinks so no one's taking showers anymore"

[Barahir]

Just an unfriendly reminder that Lord Bob is led by the sketchiest crew of thieving cheaters I've had the displeasure of knowing on blue!

So I missed this revelation, want to fill me in?

[Barahir]

On a side note I have a funny chat log from trolling Hyjal do we have like a library of congress for this shit at this point?

[Twainz]

Damn, Krimes was pretty cool during Chardok AEs when I was leveling Dizzasta. RIP old Krimes =(

[arsenalpow]

Really mad random Dolj member left me a PM this morning. This is a straight copy/paste. Enjoy!

"They won't contest shit when it's against BDA, Taken, or Divinity." -arsennpow

So , a couple things real quick jack ass.
If we don't compete with those guilds then why did we compete with taken for CZ. With good sportsmanship too I might add. We had fun.

2nd, you need to get a life. Seriously it's pathetic.
Want to let you in on a little secret about us....
Do you want to know why we don't engage in R&f? It's because we are TRUE casual players. When we go to spend our spare time on Everquest, we log in and play,Nothing more.. We just log in and play the game. I know it's crazy!
Wtf is wrong with you. You need to take a step back and breath. Maybe a vacation will do you some good. Maybe a girlfriend will help. You are bitching at a guild of TRUE casual players for logging on and playing Everquest.
Oh and by the way.. You know what makes you even more pathetic. Your guild is powerful enough for c class and that's where you belong and should be. You are a sissy.
Who cares if we don't kill anything we are having fun trying. Do you remember fun? I'm sure felt that a long time ago st one point. Until loot took over. Seriously take a long break. It's disturbing

[quido]

If any of them frequented RnF they would at least know better than to trust Acarer to lead a guild...

[Tecmos Deception]

Looks like he copy pasted every generic r&f insult he could find and PMed them to you!

[radditsu]

Dirty fucking roberts

[Sturgeon]

61 pages...

[ulti1]

No one cares what Hyjal did in the past guido. Give it a rest already.

[quido]

I know a number of Doljon members who care quite a bit. They've PMed me thanking me for the heads up and have stated they're looking for other opportunities. If you're dense enough to stay, good for you.

[ulti1]

I don't care who leads as long as I'm in a guild that doesn't do a puss ass rotation.

[Daldolma]

ulti1 confirmed supporter of rmt mastermind acarer

[khanable]

I know a number of Doljon members who care quite a bit. They've PMed me thanking me for the heads up and have stated they're looking for other opportunities. If you're dense enough to stay, good for you.

Is that why I saw Subways guildless?

[ulti1]

I have no idea what he was being accused for. I read the first couple pages and the last couple pages. I saw macro quest and I don't even know what the fuck that is or any of those nerdy 3rd party softwares are.

[baalzy]

6*2* pages...

[arsenalpow]

guys, he takes it all back

I'm sorry for being an asshole to you. I didn't mean any of the cruel things I said about you.

[ulti1]

I'm not good at being mean.

[arsenalpow]

I'm not good at being mean.

This community didn't maliciously target your guild, I hope you can realize that. Your leadership made a conscious effort to shit all over any opportunity that we (every other class R guild) attempted to foster good relations. It's been thoroughly documented that your leadership lied at almost every turn in an attempt to discredit our olive branches that were repeatedly extended.

Logs don't lie, screenshots don't lie.

[xexbis0]

I have no idea how any Lord Bob in their right mind could think they are the victims here. I will give Hyjal some credit though. He is a great cult-leader.

[arsenalpow]

I think I just got next leveled...

If this message goes to R&f it means you are a tool.

[Tongpow]

I have no idea how any Lord Bob in their right mind could think they are the victims here. I will give Hyjal some credit though. He is a great cult-leader.

pretty sure for most of us, or atleast for me Doljo was the only option if you were looking for a non-rotation competitive guild that didn't require you to use teamspeak for a 15year old video game or have 20k plat in resist gear + VP key minus tooth rdy


but it all devolved into a pile of shit so whatever gg

[oldschooltrader]

pretty sure for most of us, or atleast for me Doljo was the only option if you were looking for a non-rotation competitive guild that didn't require you to use teamspeak for a 15year old video game or have 20k plat in resist gear + VP key minus tooth rdy


but it all devolved into a pile of shit so whatever gg

wolfs eye bracers/neck and two plat jac rings cost 20 K?????

wat

[Man0warr]

pretty sure for most of us, or atleast for me Doljo was the only option if you were looking for a non-rotation competitive guild that didn't require you to use teamspeak for a 15year old video game or have 20k plat in resist gear + VP key minus tooth rdy


but it all devolved into a pile of shit so whatever gg

No amount of plat will make up for the lack of skill that is required for a wizard to cast Rend on Faydedar.

Good thing you quit.

[Tongpow]

at max casting range also, you forgot that

[radditsu]

Wait? Wizards cast more than sunstrike and ice comet?

[Tongpow]

http://i.imgur.com/WCqCIoM.jpg

[YendorLootmonkey]

http://i.imgur.com/WCqCIoM.jpg

I LOL'd

[Mirana]

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.
Isn't the entire concept of the new raid system to force people to play a certain way? So then why is it hypocritical to ask Bob Guild to play in a certain way?

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content.

We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with forcing play styles.

I guess I don't really understand your position. The new raid policy forces people to play the game a certain way. The ultimate goal of that forced style is so that everyone can, as you said, experience content. Yet, the actions of Bob guild clearly contradict the spirit of everyone "experiencing content." I don't think the guild that got leapfrogged got to "experience content."

For the record, I have no horse in this race. My highest character is a 39 druid. However, I am entirely in favor of the new raiding system. I also have nothing against the guides and am immensely thankful for all the work that goes into making this server a reality.

I'm just totally confused by your comments, they seem highly contradictory.

[Derubael]

I instantly knew I'd regret clicking this thread, but,

we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

Bolded relevant section. We firmly stated (and this was from Rogean himself during the raid talks) that we would not be enforcing a rotation because we still believed encouraging competition was an important part of Everquest, being that it is one of the only open world MMORPG available on the internet today where that is possible.

Under the current policy, everyone is experiencing content, but again, this never was, and never will be, about segregating or forcing playstyles on others. If you want to compete in Class R, you can compete in Class R so long as you play by the established rules.

This statement:

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Was in direct relation to certain guild leaders position during the raid talks (IE, that forcing playstyles on others was unfair, unjust, wrong, and exactly what TMO/FE/IB was doing prior to the raid talks). My argument that their statement was hypocritical has nothing to do with my own personal views on the subject, I was pointing out the hypocrisy in taking a position against a guild who was trying to play their own way and attempting to 'force' them into playing a different way, while also maintaining that forcing playstyles is wrong.

inb4 rnf explosion.

[Duckwalk]

Considering the fact that the end game and all associated content has been dominated by one particular play style, forcing the sharing of SOME content for a couple months before Velious shouldn't be an issue.

TLDR: yes, casual play style is being forced on some content, get the fuck over it.

[Splorf22]

The goal of the casual guilds is to kill a few raid mobs without dealing with the batphoning, poopsocking, tracking, training, and other insanity that has typified this server since its inception. In other words, we do not like the Class C style of play. Doljo wanted to bring that style into class R.

How on earth is this hypocritical?

[Splorf22]

I should say, how is disliking that hypocritical?

[YendorLootmonkey]

I was pointing out the hypocrisy in taking a position against a guild who was trying to play their own way and attempting to 'force' them into playing a different way, while also maintaining that forcing playstyles is wrong.

Depends on your perspective. Why is it not correct to say that Lord Bob (a minority within Class R) is forcing their playstyle on the rest of Class R (a majority within Class R) when the whole point of the server raid rules re-vamp was to...

guess what...

stop a minority from continuing to dictate a playstyle (hyper-extreme full retard rules-lawyer get-the-pixels-at-whatever-cost-while-watching-the-world-burn competition) to the majority?

[Derubael]

Yendor, as has been stated before:

We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with .. play styles.

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content.

Shovel THAT!

The goal of the casual guilds is to kill a few raid mobs without dealing with the batphoning, poopsocking, tracking, training, and other insanity that has typified this server since its inception. In other words, we do not like the Class C style of play. Doljo wanted to bring that style into class R.

How on earth is this hypocritical?

It's not, and I never said it was. The 'dont force playstyles' + 'play our way or leave' is what's hypocritical.

The 'dont force playstyles' argument was always a terrible one. A much better position (that many in those talks took, and that I personally agree with) is 'We want to experience raid content without going to the extremes some other guilds go to'.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Yendor, as has been stated before:





Shovel THAT!



It's not, and I never said it was. The 'dont force playstyles' + 'play our way or leave' is what's hypocritical.

The 'dont force playstyles' argument was always a terrible one. A much better position (that many in those talks took, and that I personally agree with) is 'We want to experience raid content without going to the extremes some other guilds go to'.

Except the solution that ultimately Rogean himself offered was to recognize the two different playstyles and allow guilds to segregate themselves based on preferred playstyle, so I have no clue what you're going on about that it somehow wasn't about that.

[Uteunayr]

Except the solution that ultimately Rogean himself offered was to recognize the two different playstyles and allow guilds to segregate themselves based on preferred playstyle, so I have no clue what you're going on about that it somehow wasn't about that.

It can be about both at the same time in truth. The end goal was to let more people experience content, and the best way to do that was to separate people based on the play style they were seeking. So you let the casuals casual it up in Class R, and you let the hardcores hardcore it up in Class C and FFA, and if a class R wants to see more content than what Class R assures them, then they can.

You wouldn't have a system in which more people experience content without separating people on play style. It just wouldn't happen, because one of the play styles is inherently hegemonic and counter to such a goal. But you also dont want to force that play style to be killed, because that is equally classic.

I guess the point is that the segregation, whether intended or not, is what came through with the current raid plan, as a means to serve the goal of letting more people see content. The separation was a means, but it is a necessary means to that end.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Well, that was my point... Deru's claiming "It never had anything to do with .. play styles." and "More importantly, these talks were never about segregation.", which is short-sighted because in the end, it ended up being exactly about that in order to create a raid structure that allowed both playstyles to co-exist "peacefully".

Lord Bob's insistence of their playstyle into the wrong side of that construct threatened the peace. Yet some server staff took the side of encouraging them, and Class R are called out as being hypocritical for trying to maintain the segregation of playstyles...

The very segregation that Rogean constructed into the raid system in order to make it more or less work for everyone.

In this thread, I would have rather seen server staff remain neutral and unbiased... or at very least support the structure that Rogean laid out, which is VERY MUCH based on segregating playstyles.

What's more hypocritical are the "hyper competitive" guilds that still have competition with each other within their own Class C crying over Class R getting some pixels under the new construct without having to enter into "extreme competition". If they really embraced competition, they would want as many guilds geared up going into Velious as possible so they have the fun of competing against all of them. Instead, all along, this has been about hamstringing all potential competition so there is actually minimal competition in Velious. The same guild that rants about Class R "receiving handouts" is hypocritically the same guild who had no issue logging in for about a year uncontested in VP for their "handouts".

This was never about competition, this was about pixel denial. Now that pixel denial is largely over, the competition is still there for those who want to play that way, yet there's all sorts of butthurt. Funny how that works.

That, Deru, is hypocrisy.

[Rhambuk]

Good show chaps! Keeping rnf alive!

not to derail but who wants to guess what yahoo images returned when I entered "Good show chaps"

[Argh]

Well, that was my point... Deru's claiming "It never had anything to do with .. play styles." and "More importantly, these talks were never about segregation.", which is short-sighted because in the end, it ended up being exactly about that in order to create a raid structure that allowed both playstyles to co-exist "peacefully".

Lord Bob's insistence of their playstyle into the wrong side of that construct threatened the peace. Yet some server staff took the side of encouraging them, and Class R are called out as being hypocritical for trying to maintain the segregation of playstyles...

The very segregation that Rogean constructed into the raid system in order to make it more or less work for everyone.

In this thread, I would have rather seen server staff remain neutral and unbiased... or at very least support the structure that Rogean laid out, which is VERY MUCH based on segregating playstyles.

What's more hypocritical are the "hyper competitive" guilds that still have competition with each other within their own Class C crying over Class R getting some pixels under the new construct without having to enter into "extreme competition". If they really embraced competition, they would want as many guilds geared up going into Velious as possible so they have the fun of competing against all of them. Instead, all along, this has been about hamstringing all potential competition so there is actually minimal competition in Velious. The same guild that rants about Class R "receiving handouts" is hypocritically the same guild who had no issue logging in for about a year uncontested in VP for their "handouts".

This was never about competition, this was about pixel denial. Now that pixel denial is largely over, the competition is still there for those who want to play that way, yet there's all sorts of butthurt. Funny how that works.

That, Deru, is hypocrisy.

Class C/R has nothing to do about differing play styles. It was about separating the guilds who dominated the content from guilds that couldn't/wouldn't compete. If it were about play styles, the GMs would be enforcing the rotation.

Rogean throughout the negotiations showed his weariness for restricting open access to Class R mobs. See:

You can't tell a guild they can't raid any mob in the game until they exist for 90 days and/or kill one isolated mob.

Tier 2 needs to include the ability for any guild on the server to take a crack at a mob just like anyone else. This includes pickups.


I'd also ask that you guys be careful with stipulations on Tier 2. Tier 2 is the 'open door' tier - Any guild that is not Tier 1 will apply here, including up and coming guilds. The rules need to allow for flexibility with new guilds jumping on the scene to raid targets. There should not be any type of council governing the acceptance of new guilds into Tier 2. There can still be a council of guild representatives for working out any sort of guild agreements, however the policies need to be made while keeping in mind that any guild should be free to engage a mob on Tier 2's schedule unless they themselves have agreed to something previously.

I think Derubael's point of hypocrisy is that you wanted to strong arm Lord Bob into joining a rotation and force your play style (rotation) on them or join Class C to compete against TMO/FE/IB, guilds whom even top Class R guilds (BDA, Taken, etc) were unsuccessful competing against for the last three years, which led to the current raid scene.

[Uteunayr]

Class C/R has nothing to do about differing play styles. It was about separating the guilds who dominated the content from guilds that couldn't/wouldn't compete. If it were about play styles, the GMs would be enforcing the rotation.

Rogean throughout the negotiations showed his weariness for restricting open access to Class R mobs.

You're confounding play style with raid organization. No, the plan put in did not include a rotation, but casual is not the same as a rotation. A rotation is just one form of raid tool for casual raiding. There were numerous other ways that you can have cooperative, decent raiding that isn't hardcore FFA style without going to a rotation. You could do what happened after TMO's ban, and basically say you can't engage a mob you killed previously for a certain amount of time after spawn. That is still a casual style, but it isn't a rotation exactly.

Dolj was never pushing for a casual style is the point. They wanted the hardcore competitiveness that is inherently degradive to the goal of letting everyone see the content. That style is fine, but you cannot let more people see the content without separating people that want hardcore FFA styles from those that are more chill about raiding. Dolj wanted the style that was hardcore competitive, which is Class C. It is not the server's guild's fault that enough smaller guilds don't desire that type of style, and so choose not to go into class C, where they can get more loot faster.

The point is that it is path dependent. You cannot have the end goal without that separation, because the hardcore FFA style is inherently degradive to the goal of letting more people see the content. You separate out the two groups of people, and you let it go. The GMs should not enforce any rotation, because that is the way that the vast majority of class R guilds, that are chill and laid back, decided to go about it. Dolj, however, showed a personality and style that is far more the aim of being in class C. That's how you get more content to people.

If a guild like Dolj was as good as TMO and stayed in class R outside of rotation, they'd have a solid 1/3rd of the content. Split the other 2/3rds among the few top class R guilds, and that's it. That's the end of every mob. Instead, class R guilds got together, and in the spirit of making sure everyone sees content, made a rotation so that all guilds in class R would see content, rather than having the content dominated by 3 guilds. You need to have people with a different style in mind in Class R if you are ever going to see all people get a shot at content, and that's what happened. It is remarkably similar to the idea of Duverger's Law in political science.

[radditsu]

Words words words

[Argh]

You could do what happened after TMO's ban, and basically say you can't engage a mob you killed previously for a certain amount of time after spawn.

The rules enforce this:


Successfully killing a mob spawned under Class R puts that guild on lockout for that mob's next two class R spawns.


Dolj was never pushing for a casual style is the point.

The only evidence of this is that they didn't want to join the rotations.

[Uteunayr]

Correct. And a lock out of 2 kills means 3 guilds dominant Class R if they play the hardcore competitive FFA game. Which is why for everyone to see the content, as is the stated goal, it is a necessary step to separate people who have different styles. Hardcore FFA people can work out stuff between themselves because both sides accept that is how they want to play. Class R guilds have found ways to work out problems between themselves, and more people have been able to see content than ever before. It is only when these two different styles clash that you get nasty issues.

They showed it in far more ways, frequently being unwilling to entertain any form of reasonable contact from other guilds, kill stealing from other guilds, including from pugs, turning their back on credible commitments made, violating the one form of rotation that even Class C people agreed with due to the utility it serves for Sky.

Lets not be ignorant of just how different in style they played, and the personality they showed. It wasn't just not joining the rotation, lol. If you honestly believe that, there's no talking to you for closing your eyes to what unfolded.

[radditsu]

Words dumb words

[cries4hardcore]

Fuck this is so lame. Just giving nerds a bad name. Release Velious so there is more content to go around. Apparently it's really important to dominate ancient content. Fuck the other guys who want to enjoy a little nostalgia, i want to make history... Derp

[Uteunayr]

Hey look, it's this thread again. And it was bumped by a post irrelevant to the thread that could have fit anywhere else.

[Lune]

Fuck this is so lame. Just giving nerds a bad name. Release Velious so there is more content to go around. Apparently it's really important to dominate ancient content. Fuck the other guys who want to enjoy a little nostalgia, i want to make history... Derp

go to bed kagutab