Congratulations Lord Bob

[letsallkillandy]

Give the casual guilds some pixels and they become a bunch of pixel addicts. Welcome to the good life bros

Pixels is the street term for the new super heroine that drug dealers are selling.

[Nikon]

Incorrect. Class R is player enforced rotations whether lord Bob likes it or not. They want to try to not have it the way every single other guild had it before they came along, they can suffer the consequences. Lord Bob are the aggressors plain and simple. Don't condemn those who are defending the new (and immensely popular) way of things.

I'm definitely not defending either side here. I'm looking at it as objectively as I can. What I'm saying is that until a GM enforces the player rotation, which many times they have said they won't, guilds will not have to abide by it. And the consequences you mention would have to be player enforced like I said in my previous post.

Why are some of you talking about "competing"? They're not "competing". They looked at the Sky rotation, picked the weakest possible guild's sky night, then snaked in and keyed up while the other guild was clearing Isle 1 for keys.

What exactly is the competition there? Buying a key and clicking the portal?

To this ...
open up more raid mobs to more guilds and not necessarily stop competition, leap frogging, etc...

[Aeolwind]

I'm Curious. There may be a mechanics issue here that needs to be addressed:

How many of them were there?
And they were skipping Pixies to do Azaracks?
Win/Lose on Az?

[Tiax]

And honestly, Dolj is destined to fail. Horrible leadership and horrible players and....

I dunno. Never forget how bad TMO were. 'TMO break fear yet' is a p1999 meme for a reason.

[Rheaume]

Pixels is the street term for the new super heroine that drug dealers are selling.

Philip Seymour Hoffman had 50 bags of pixels (+1 equipped to his arm). Definitely been hoarding.

[Aeolwind]

Philip Seymour Hoffman had 50 bags of pixels (+1 equipped to his arm). Definitely been hoarding.
I think this is why:
http://i.imgur.com/VY0sfTX.jpg

[Jarnauga]

Lord Bob break fear yet ?

[letsallkillandy]

Philip Seymour Hoffman had 50 bags of pixels (+1 equipped to his arm). Definitely been hoarding.

Phillip Seymour Hoffman confirmed for P99 celeb.

[Lojik]

If you go to a friendly pickup basketball game and start talking shit and making dumbass fouls, you're going to get thrown out. That's what's happening here. Except you are in there saying WHY AREN'T YOU PLAYING NICE WITH THESE ASSHATS. Its mind boggling.

Players don't get to do the throwing out. That's what some of you are trying to do.

Have you ever played pickup sports? Of course the players get to throw people out if someone is acting retarded. Happens all the time cause people don't know their place.

I really don't understand some of the view points of class C guilds in this thread. No one has called for GM intervention against lord bob, and no one has done anything against the server rules or pnp or whatever against lord bob. If they are not respecting a player made rotation, then people in said guilds calling to blacklist them are well within their right. Can people be forced to blacklist them? No, but if this kind of action pisses off class R guilds and they want to prevent further actions like this, then they better be prepared to do something...whether it's boycott, blacklist, or team up with the other guilds in class R to prevent them sniping stuff...that's competition too.

[Fael]

No one saying you can't do the above.

I think backlash has been more about what Yendor and co are suggesting: that they not be allowed to target class R targets and should get ffa/c class only.

Although this thread started with the sky rotation issue. No one has supplied any information as to what time slot they were offered for sky, etc.

Dolic

[Lojik]

No one saying you can't do the above.

I think backlash has been more about what Yendor and co are suggesting: that they not be allowed to target class R targets and should get ffa/c class only.

Although this thread started with the sky rotation issue. No one has supplied any information as to what time slot they were offered for sky, etc.

Dolic
No one has shown sufficient evidence that they even requested a sky slot. Squeaky wheel gets the grease

[Burrito]

No one saying you can't do the above.

I think backlash has been more about what Yendor and co are suggesting: that they not be allowed to target class R targets and should get ffa/c class only.

Although this thread started with the sky rotation issue. No one has supplied any information as to what time slot they were offered for sky, etc.

Dolic

Maybe that should be done in raid discussion between officers and not trolls in rants and flames.

No one has shown sufficient evidence that they even requested a sky slot. Squeaky wheel gets the grease

[Kagatob]

Fuck raid discussion.

[Fael]

Maybe that should be done in raid discussion between officers and not trolls in rants and flames.

Oh, im sorry:

1. You start a post about how Dolj doesn't respect your sky agreement, how they are generally a terrible group of people for doing so.

2. Someone legitimately asks (1) if they were granted a time slot for sky, and (2) when that time slot was.

3. It is argued that "No one has shown sufficient evidence that they even requested a sky slot." This is of course untrue, as Derubael / Sirken posted statements by the guild leader of Dolja which suggests that they were denied access to sky.

4. Loraen posts information that runs counter to the above. While Loraen is probably more trustworthy source of information, his post did not deal with the raid rotation and not sky, which is something entirely different and irrelevant.

5. In short, if all the Class R guilds are running down Dolja on R&F, they should be willing to provide some basic evidence that central to the legitimacy of the R&F complaint.

Dolic

[Asap]

Where do I apply for this bob guild?

[Fael]

sorry for the terrible grammar. Deal with it :(

Dolic

[YendorLootmonkey]

No one saying you can't do the above.

I think backlash has been more about what Yendor and co are suggesting: that they not be allowed to target class R targets and should get ffa/c class only.

Although this thread started with the sky rotation issue. No one has supplied any information as to what time slot they were offered for sky, etc.

Dolic

Uh, I recommended blacklisting in the first few posts of the thread, then added that collectively we wouldn't have the resolve to do anything substantial anyway. So we get what we deserve.

Then their history of shitting all over what other guilds have established got brought up. Then it became a thread about how one guild shitting all over other guilds somehow makes the other guilds the assholes.

[letsallkillandy]

Uh, I recommended blacklisting in the first few posts of the thread, then added that collectively we wouldn't have the resolve to do anything substantial anyway. So we get what we deserve.

Then their history of shitting all over what other guilds have established got brought up. Then it became a thread about how one guild shitting all over other guilds somehow makes the other guilds the assholes.

I think you're all too busy trying to figure out who is an asshole when you're all obviously assholes.

[letsallkillandy]

I think you're all too busy trying to figure out who is an asshole when you're all obviously assholes.

http://i.imgur.com/5qnfUdo.gif

[radditsu]

Where do I apply for this boob guild?

[jpetrick]

I'm Curious. There may be a mechanics issue here that needs to be addressed:

How many of them were there?
And they were skipping Pixies to do Azaracks?
Win/Lose on Az?
3 groups
Correct, they purchased keys to leapfrog us while we were clearing 1
Cleared island 2, don't know if they continued. I had my raid jump so we could go do something else while we had 20+ people on.

[CodyF86]

They weren't denied a sky spot; this took me literally 2 minutes to find in the sky thread.

P.s., just posting this for posterity, I'm not getting sucked into this thread! peace and love im out! :)

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

Aaradin
Aaradone
The A-Team

[Amra]

3 groups
Correct, they purchased keys to leapfrog us while we were clearing 1
Cleared island 2, don't know if they continued. I had my raid jump so we could go do something else while we had 20+ people on.

Get a cleric keyed to 4, and this won't matter. Die on 2, drag/rez to 4.

[radditsu]

God damn let the babys have their bottles. Dirty Robert... let the casuals be casual.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Get a cleric keyed to 4, and this won't matter. Die on 2, drag/rez to 4.

I believe it was Indignation's first sky attempt? Which makes what Dojo did even more shitty.

[Miser]

God damn let the babys have their bottles. Dirty Robert... let the casuals be casual.

Then where do they fit in? Baby bottles or nothing? No one has suggested anything reasonable for what fair shake Dolj should get. Don't say "go for the FFA mobs!", cos that's just as fuckin' stupid as saying that they should just join class C.

Keep on playing the way you want, Dolj-bros. You have supporters in every guild I'm guessing.

[Jaxon]

Their fair shake would be to join the R rotation(like every other R guild), take a whack at FFA mobs when they can(like every other R guild) and work out a spot on the sky rotation(like every other R and C guild).

I really had to tell you this? Geez.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Then where do they fit in? Baby bottles or nothing? No one has suggested anything reasonable for what fair shake Dolj should get. Don't say "go for the FFA mobs!", cos that's just as fuckin' stupid as saying that they should just join class C.

Keep on playing the way you want, Dolj-bros. You have supporters in every guild I'm guessing.

They need to fucking compromise, just like the rest of us had to. VP is strictly off-limits to guilds that wish to stay Class R, for example. Bag limits on simulated patch respawns instead of a particular guild going after as many as they wanted. Dojo needs to find out what they want to do within the existing framework set up by both the players and the staff and work peacefully within it.

They would be getting more kills and loot now PLUS maintaining the respect of the other Class R guilds if they would take part in what we are offering them in Class R. Instead, they are getting no kills, no loot, and pissing everyone off. Makes no sense unless they exist solely to fuck with the Class R guilds on behalf of Class C guilds.

[Triangle]

I was posting from my phone earlier, so let me be a bit more clear in this post:

The "class R" guilds, as well as the guilds in the sky rotation, must protect the rotations we have created by making sure this sort of thing does not happen.

Dolji's actions are the sort that break down rotations like this. So I would like to propose that those in the rotation collectively boycott Dolji. Secondly, if you get word that Dolji is trying to interrupt another guilds raid, do your best to try to help that guild.

Send me a tell anytime you need help with these cock-eyed fucks.

Svenn - A-Team.

[radditsu]

Then where do they fit in? Baby bottles or nothing? No one has suggested anything reasonable for what fair shake Dolj should get. Don't say "go for the FFA mobs!", cos that's just as fuckin' stupid as saying that they should just join class C.

Keep on playing the way you want, Dolj-bros. You have supporters in every guild I'm guessing.

They should get shit on for 2.5 years and eventually they get a long and involved raid scene change that afterward every little thing must be spelled out in minute detail. It is the p99 way.

Also suck my cock for saying a shit intentional troll guild should get a "fair shake". Fuck them. Fuck tmo. Fuck chest and his steve brule wang.Fuck all you fucks.

[Burrito]

Dolic- it's a serverwide sky agreement last time I checked. You can see the above post for your answer to 2. From other posts they were offered slots and refused.

What evidence? If you want specifics for what time they were offered and the exact evidence then I want the exact chat where they were told no.

You should be willing to provide some basic evidence that central to the legitimacy of the R&F complaint.

[jpetrick]

Get a cleric keyed to 4, and this won't matter. Die on 2, drag/rez to 4.

If we had someone keyed on higher islands this thread probably wouldn't exist.

[fuark]

Jesus Christ I don't know how you all put up with the people that play on this server every day. There are enough morons in real life to deal with.

That said, Splorf and Yendor are correct. The rest of you defending dick moves by dick players in Dolj...

I don't even.

[Reguiy]

Jesus Christ I don't know how you all put up with the people that play on this server every day. There are enough morons in real life to deal with.

That said, Splorf and Yendor are correct. The rest of you defending dick moves by dick players in Dolj...

I don't even.

Isn't FBI an all gnome guild? I can't remember the last time I saw a gnome druid.

[Jesseca]

I didn't realize all sky rotation requests went through AG. My mistake, I guess. There's no way they would have tried to contact one or more of the other 7 guilds that are in that thread.

It doesn't! However, I would think that any offical requests to join sky would be on the sky thread. All the other guilds did it that way. Why would dolji expect to do it in tells? And why would anyone believe they were told no without proof? Since that is the way everything else works?

[Tongpow]

Holy shit... wish i would of logged on for this sky raid

[Ciroco]

They specifically posted in the sky thread that they won't be a part of the rotation. I can't believe people are still trying to argue this.

[Urath]

I'd like to chime in here as far as the don't group with Lord Bob goes. I haven't been in the guild long and even before this Plane of Sky thing happened I was screened from groups with AG and BDA in it. And when I asked these people why. I was given the answer that we were all a bunch a douchebags. Which wasn't a good enough explanation for me so I kept digging into the same person. And really wasn't given any sort of answer as to why Lord Bob was a buncha douchebags other than this answer here. "When I was leveling up in Mistmoore, my group got mad at me for training them with a really bad pull.". Apparently the majority of the group was Lord Bob. Now I know alotta poeple who have gotten in trouble for the same thing....but to blacklist a guild over such petty bullshit? I'm sorry but there's apparently alotta butthurt little children around these parts. Just being treated like this over such stupidity makes me really care less about hurting peoples feeling over a stupid rotation. Compete or gtfo imo.

[Kagatob]

I'd like to chime in here as far as the don't group with Lord Bob goes. I haven't been in the guild long and even before this Plane of Sky thing happened I was screened from groups with AG and BDA in it. And when I asked these people why. I was given the answer that we were all a bunch a douchebags. Which wasn't a good enough explanation for me so I kept digging into the same person. And really wasn't given any sort of answer as to why Lord Bob was a buncha douchebags other than this answer here. "When I was leveling up in Mistmoore, my group got mad at me for training them with a really bad pull.". Apparently the majority of the group was Lord Bob. Now I know alotta poeple who have gotten in trouble for the same thing....but to blacklist a guild over such petty bullshit? I'm sorry but there's apparently alotta butthurt little children around these parts. Just being treated like this over such stupidity makes me really care less about hurting peoples feeling over a stupid rotation. Compete or gtfo imo.

This right here is exactly the attitude that makes everyone hate you. Go away.

[Urath]

That attitude? You mean me treating you exactly how you treat people that had nothing to do with these petty situations?

[Chrimes]

Lerd Berb guna kill more merbs! next 25+page thread incoming soon!

[Burrito]

I'm down Chrimes, next 10 pages dedicated to talking about mistmoore and how much of a shitsow zone it is.

[letsallkillandy]

Lord Bob guild is best guild. Not even kicking that much ass and already got several guilds crying from their vaginas. Can't wait till their skills catch up to their competitive spirit.

The lord bob hate train has caused more crying than TMO could on a full repop and they havent even been raid suspended. Think of the threads that will spawn when they start taking raid targets from these guilds.

RnF just got good again

[khanable]

RnF just got good again

[letsallkillandy]

http://i.imgur.com/XJBKbIO.gif

[Pheer]

i heard Lord Bob guild's pixels were funded by the CIA

[contemptor]

Jesus Christ, class R you need to shape up and learn how to alpha.

You are giving entirely too much attention to this imitator guild of alt neckbeards. You know what to do when a guild is being a dick: Make a Hitler video and laugh half of them off the server. In this case, Rog doesn't even have to make a ruling, just support other Class R guilds to make sure Lord Placenta or whatever they are called gets close to zero mobs, then ignore them.
lolol. Not gonna lie, lot of attention for a mob without as much as a Maestro kill

[Kagatob]

That attitude? You mean me treating you exactly how you treat people that had nothing to do with these petty situations?

Nobody here asked you to wear the shitty tag. You made that bed.

[Lune]

TMO junior keeping the fire going

[Jesseca]

OK! I read the first 14 pages before I felt like my head was going to explode. I even commented on one of the posts. But I really feel the reason for this thread got lost in the shuffle.

First of all.... I want to say that Azure Guard has never "shxx" on any guild, nor will we ever.

Secondly.... the problem here is simple. Rotation or not...what happened last night was completely wrong and I feel GM's should of inforced it in Indignations favor. Not because of the player-enforced rotation but simply because of Respect.

The only reason anyone kills mobs on island 1 is to progress to island 2 and then 3 etc. etc. That alone should give them the claim to the zone. It is simply disrespectful to move ahead of anyone that is killing for keys on any island. This is just opening a door for people who have keys to island 5 while a guild is doing 4 to move on to 5.

Never in my 14+ years of everquest has that ever been accepted.

What is happening here is disrespect to each other is being encouraged. If there is anything I could do to make it stop, believe me I would.

Yaolin made this post so everyone would know of this disrespectful act. Especially, the GM's.

I am going to make one request....GROW UP!!

[chief]

OK! I read the first 14 pages before I felt like my head was going to explode. I even commented on one of the posts. But I really feel the reason for this thread got lost in the shuffle.

First of all.... I want to say that Azure Guard has never "shxx" on any guild, nor will we ever.

Secondly.... the problem here is simple. Rotation or not...what happened last night was completely wrong and I feel GM's should of inforced it in Indignations favor. Not because of the player-enforced rotation but simply because of Respect.

The only reason anyone kills mobs on island 1 is to progress to island 2 and then 3 etc. etc. That alone should give them the claim to the zone. It is simply disrespectful to move ahead of anyone that is killing for keys on any island. This is just opening a door for people who have keys to island 5 while a guild is doing 4 to move on to 5.

Never in my 14+ years of everquest has that ever been accepted.

What is happening here is disrespect to each other is being encouraged. If there is anything I could do to make it stop, believe me I would.

Yaolin made this post so everyone would know of this disrespectful act. Especially, the GM's.

I am going to make one request....GROW UP!!

no u grow up

[Urath]

So you're telling me in the first 14 pages you didn't read the posts where Lord Bob was denied into the rotation before making the post to not go by the rotation? And you're also telling me that in you're 14 years you've never seen or heard of another guild skipping over another guild killing trash to get to the main prize? I'm sorry but you don't get treated with respect after you never treated Doljkahsjkdhfjkas with respect in the first place. People played dirty so we played dirty back......GET A GRIP!!

[Daldolma]

The only reason anyone kills mobs on island 1 is to progress to island 2 and then 3 etc. etc. That alone should give them the claim to the zone.

that really depends on whether or not they were using imperial dogs

see pierson v post

[Sinestria]

So you're telling me in the first 14 pages you didn't read the posts where Lord Bob was denied into the rotation before making the post to not go by the rotation? And you're also telling me that in you're 14 years you've never seen or heard of another guild skipping over another guild killing trash to get to the main prize? I'm sorry but you don't get treated with respect after you never treated Doljkahsjkdhfjkas with respect in the first place. People played dirty so we played dirty back......GET A GRIP!!

Show me a fucking quote where they ask any other guild about the rotation. Go ahead.

All you had is Deru's backwash from what their leader claims "they talked to 'someone' in IB and BDA"

Not very explicite....cuz it never happened

[Urath]

Show me a fucking quote where they ask any other guild about the rotation. Go ahead.

All you had is Deru's backwash from what their leader claims "they talked to 'someone' in IB and BDA"

Not very explicite....cuz it never happened

"Butthurt"

[Jesseca]

So you're telling me in the first 14 pages you didn't read the posts where Lord Bob was denied into the rotation before making the post to not go by the rotation? And you're also telling me that in you're 14 years you've never seen or heard of another guild skipping over another guild killing trash to get to the main prize? I'm sorry but you don't get treated with respect after you never treated Doljkahsjkdhfjkas with respect in the first place. People played dirty so we played dirty back......GET A GRIP!!

Give me one example of when you never received respect from me or my guild?

I have never once saw any proof of when Dolj asked to be part of the rotation. All I saw was hearsay and proof that the leader of Dolj ignored or made the statement that he wanted nothing to do with a rotation. Which is fine. You don't want to be a part of rotation that is your choice. But going ahead of anyone, that is in sky already killing mobs, is wrong.

[pharmakos]

Naw, it's called sarcasm. In any case,


Doljon as a whole isn't big on the forums. Most of their leadership rarely even comes here. Here's my conversation with their guild leader about the rotation. I approached him because I was concerned about someone raiding sky outside of the rotation causing a potential headache for the staff.

[Wed Dec 25 12:58:44 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was just curious what you guys were told when you tried to get into the sky rotation?'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] You told Hyjal, 'its not something gm's enforce, but i had heard several stories about what happened and was just trying to satisfy my own curiosity'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:06 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'that we are uncapale of doing it'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:19 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'uncapable'
[Wed Dec 25 12:59:56 2013] You told Hyjal, 'anything else...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:07 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'honestly, were not use to rotations. the end game dragons/gods are not on a rotation'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'but for some reason sky is. we are unable to compete with dragons, gods'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:22 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'currently at least'
[Wed Dec 25 13:01:45 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'our only options are the planes. we asked about rotation when we first started, but was told we were uncapable of doign the plane'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:01 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'so we just have gone against the grain i guess'
[Wed Dec 25 13:02:34 2013] You told Hyjal, 'was there any justification as to why you couldn't handle clearing sky...?'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:02 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'nope, just that we havent proven anything basically'
[Wed Dec 25 13:03:18 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'the initial hostility definitely set the tone for us. we have gone more toward an FTE environment'


[Wed Dec 25 13:17:36 2013] You told Hyjal, 'i have no idea who decides on the sky rotation, i dont think its any one person'
[Wed Dec 25 13:17:45 2013] You told Hyjal, 'thats why i was wondering who had told you no'
[Wed Dec 25 13:18:44 2013] Hyjal tells you, 'ah. i asked random folks in ib, and bregan at first'

Unless Doljon's guild leader was straight up lying to me in this conversation, which he really had no reason to do considering I had already expressed to him that we don't enforce the Sky rotation, I'd say my info is correct regarding Doljon being told 'no' is correct.

Maybe Doljonijiarnimorinar should have tried harder to get on the rotation, I can't speak to that. But I can say that if I had asked about getting on the rotation and was told 'no, you aren't good enough for sky,' I wouldn't be thrilled about pursuing the issue further either.

I rarely just 'assume' things, A-aron, and when I do, I make sure it's a solid assumption backed by evidence first. Doljon didn't get invited to voice their opinion at the raid talks either, and you guys are surprised that they are jaded?

pretty sure Hyaj here is lying about asking for a rotation spot. he didn't do it in the Sky thread. who did he ask? i'm willing to eat my words and admit he wasn't lying if someone can verify that he actually did ask.

[pharmakos]

apologies if that was covered 30 pages ago, still reading through this shitfest.

[Tongpow]

most of us are actually just play the game, i think only me and like 2 other people even have more than like 2posts

pretty sure that shit was all ingame

[Splorf22]

I'm sorry but you don't get treated with respect after you never treated Doljkahsjkdhfjkas with respect in the first place.

I think you should start asking yourself what is more likely:

A: Everyone in the server decided to fuck with you guys cause you have an annoying name
B: Your leader has been lying to you about just about everything

[citizen1080]

I think you should start asking yourself what is more likely:

A: Everyone in the server decided to fuck with you guys cause you have an annoying name
B: Your leader has been lying to you about just about everything

Lies.

I am not the problem, everyone else in the server/world is the problem.

[khanable]

I know I reached out to Bob twice about sky and was met with nothing.

They were asked to join the discussion numerous times and always said no. Here is one of those:

http://i.imgur.com/vi8HDOl.png

Stop beating this dead horse, jeez

[pharmakos]

p.s. this kind of BS is exactly why i don't play on this server anymore.

headaches and drama is all P99 has become.

[khanable]

drama is entertaining tho

[pharmakos]

drama is entertaining when viewed from afar -- that's why i just ForumQuest and watch this world now. actually participating in this shit sounds awful.

[Urath]

I think you should start asking yourself what is more likely:

A: Everyone in the server decided to fuck with you guys cause you have an annoying name
B: Your leader has been lying to you about just about everything

You know....you guys seem to talk alotta shit. Asking for proof and all this bullshit. Prove that he didn't say what he said. Prove that he is lying. Then talk. Until then stfu.

[fuark]

Isn't FBI an all gnome guild? I can't remember the last time I saw a gnome druid.

It was my guild, Lanzellot turned it into a gnome guild since I never log in ;)

[Aaron]

You know....you guys seem to talk alotta shit. Asking for proof and all this bullshit. Prove that he didn't say what he said. Prove that he is lying. Then talk. Until then stfu.

Your guild leader is a known liar. See other thread.

[Shaakglith12194]

So you're telling me in the first 14 pages you didn't read the posts where Lord Bob was denied into the rotation before making the post to not go by the rotation? And you're also telling me that in you're 14 years you've never seen or heard of another guild skipping over another guild killing trash to get to the main prize? I'm sorry but you don't get treated with respect after you never treated Doljkahsjkdhfjkas with respect in the first place. People played dirty so we played dirty back......GET A GRIP!!

No evidence was posted whatsoever about Dolj being refused access to either rotation. As far as the SKY rotation goes, Dolj was not denied the rotation, they refused to join rotation. Did you not read the 10 or so times that their outright refusal to join the rotation was quoted? Seriously, they said they had no desire to join. Let me post this again because reading is hard.

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

Devs have said that they will not enforce player made agreements and what they did was within the bounds of the rules set forth by the GMs. That being said, choosing to do sky on the night that a guild is doing it for the first time and leapfrogging them, knowing full well that it will screw them over is just a dick move. The community here is mostly nice, I can't say that I've ever had any bad experiences from any ONE particular guild. Every guild has good/bad players/people. But Dolj does this and screws over the little guy for the sake of "competition", I call bullshit. They took three groups according to one poster, and most nights they have a lot more than that on. But they didn't do it on TMO's sky time, or FE's, or BDA's, or AG's, or anyone else's sky time when Dolj has more players on, they did it on Indignation's sky time. Because those were the little guys. That's why they're assholes.

Even if they were initially told as Derubael said, "no, you're incapable of doing sky you can't get in the rotation", coming to the forums and explicitly stating that you will not abide by the rotation kinda of points to either the leader being unable to swallow his pride and ask again after a week or two, OR he's lying. So then, was Indignation or any of the other guilds on sky rotation also told they couldn't get in? How did any of them get in if Dolj was told no?

[Ciroco]

You know....you guys seem to talk alotta shit. Asking for proof and all this bullshit. Prove that he didn't say what he said. Prove that he is lying. Then talk. Until then stfu.

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

Source: http://www.project1999.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1223987&highlight=doljonijiarnimorinar#post1223987

Any further questions?

[pharmakos]

what's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding?

[Urath]

LOL you obviously didn't read all of this either...prove that he didn't ask before posting that. The End

[citizen1080]

Bob has blacklisted Lord Bob. You heard it here first. This is the toxic bullshit we do not need on the server. Go away

[Jaxon]

From the very beginning Hyjal saw the elitist attitude of the rest of the server. He could not in good conscience agree with their open-door raid policies, and was absolutely compelled against his will to refuse any invitation to join.

[Shaakglith12194]

From the very beginning Hyjal saw the elitist attitude of the rest of the server. He could not in good conscience agree with their open-door raid policies, and was absolutely compelled against his will to refuse any invitation to join.

Rotation, decency, and respect rape! Hyjal needs an adult!

[hatelore]

Server turned Transvestite overnight~

I wan't whatever laptop TMO baught for Sirken to make him act like a Tmo_member_0123455543545. Must be a badass one.

[Ciroco]

LOL you obviously didn't read all of this either...prove that he didn't ask before posting that. The End

lol

[Tiggles]

drama is entertaining tho

[Uteunayr]

This is incredibly disappointing, and if others don't find it so, that is even more so. This type of community, what it has become, what it has festered and molded into in due to the unavoidable consequences of having stagnating game content that does not provide for the complex interdependence that made up this game in the first place. Now, I study politics for a living. The way I meet my needs for survival is in the study of how people interact in political systems, and somehow, through all that, I do not think I ever came to fully, in my heart, understand exactly what it is that George Carlin refers to here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ6mCI3wpEk), as it is something that many people know, I did, but to really have it in your heart is an incredibly different thing.

All political systems tend toward corruption, certainly. That is the state of things, and it is the natural flow of all associations of individuals. But the degree to which it is embraced, and to which schadenfreude is encouraged and desired by the people themselves, not even just the system, is ultimately a sign of the decay of the soul and loss of the potential of what people are capable of.

EverQuest was a fantastic game, but regrettably Project 1999 (by no fault of the game designers) is ultimately a failure in offering what is a legitimate callbacka to a time when complex interdependence was possible among individuals. With stagnant content, there decays the necessity of individuals to depend upon one another. Normally, in EverQuest's structure, player made agreements could be maintained through player made means, such as embargos and the like. It is never ultimately the desire of those involved to meet this end, as all are here to have a good time, but when one person's enjoyment comes at the suffering of others, there is no justice in a system that permits that. With the scarcity of experience, and the growth of content, it created a structure in which social interactions made people depend upon one another for day to day necessities within the game. But now, that is a system which is all but decayed.

So what is the result of having a system so decayed? Zealotry, hatred, anger, rage, and the aforementioned schadenfreude. It is no longer about each person just having a fun time, because the fun time has been consumed, it has been exhausted, and so the only fun time that remains is at the suffering of other individuals. This is the system EverQuest unknowingly began to dismantle in Luclin, and what was obliterated with Plane of Knowledge. It is the system that is lacking from most MMOs since, which has lead to the horrible communities present, that people acknowledge, but enough of the loudest embrace that it remains unshifting. It is one in which there is no true way for any sense of justice to occur from the ground up, only from the top down. But when the top is derived from those that are born from the inherently hate filled system, the corruption of the structure is unavoidable.

It isn't going to get better, as enough of the loudest too openly accept that this is how people are. The veil of consciousness has been driven so far over people's perceptions that it is nailed into their eyeballs.

What can I do? Nothing. Instead, I shall listen to George Carlin, one of the greatest critical thinkers, and outspoken individuals about the bullshit that has consumed our species and should be a disappointment to every critical thinker. I gave up on my countrymen, because I think we squandered great gifts. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls8RXqyZDsk) So, time to sit back, and enjoy. Lets watch the chaos, and watch the collapse. Instead of being invested in how we act, and how we are as a people, it's best to just sit back, and watch you all continue to fuck things up and squander your gifts, and your potential.

So in that way, Lord Bob's continual attitude has provided me a great deal of entertainment, because people that bad are what humanity is. You all embrace it, and that's the type of self-destructive people you'll be. And that's just funny to watch.

[hatelore]

gd, that's a good link~ I want shiny things~

[Lune]

Prove that he didn't say what he said. Prove that he is lying.

Big Clooney, meet Little Clooney

http://i.imgur.com/5kfgfgS.jpg

[Splorf22]

It really boggles my mind that people go so crazy over an emulated server.

[Uteunayr]

Only when it matters the least and there are the fewest consequences do people show who they truly are, the person they hide from daily life due to the complex interdependence of our existence.

So, sit back, watch, and laugh. Because really, it's all just so funny.

[Daldolma]

This is incredibly disappointing, and if others don't find it so, that is even more so. This type of community, what it has become, what it has festered and molded into in due to the unavoidable consequences of having stagnating game content that does not provide for the complex interdependence that made up this game in the first place. Now, I study politics for a living. The way I meet my needs for survival is in the study of how people interact in political systems, and somehow, through all that, I do not think I ever came to fully, in my heart, understand exactly what it is that George Carlin refers to here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ6mCI3wpEk), as it is something that many people know, I did, but to really have it in your heart is an incredibly different thing.

All political systems tend toward corruption, certainly. That is the state of things, and it is the natural flow of all associations of individuals. But the degree to which it is embraced, and to which schadenfreude is encouraged and desired by the people themselves, not even just the system, is ultimately a sign of the decay of the soul and loss of the potential of what people are capable of.

EverQuest was a fantastic game, but regrettably Project 1999 (by no fault of the game designers) is ultimately a failure in offering what is a legitimate callbacka to a time when complex interdependence was possible among individuals. With stagnant content, there decays the necessity of individuals to depend upon one another. Normally, in EverQuest's structure, player made agreements could be maintained through player made means, such as embargos and the like. It is never ultimately the desire of those involved to meet this end, as all are here to have a good time, but when one person's enjoyment comes at the suffering of others, there is no justice in a system that permits that. With the scarcity of experience, and the growth of content, it created a structure in which social interactions made people depend upon one another for day to day necessities within the game. But now, that is a system which is all but decayed.

So what is the result of having a system so decayed? Zealotry, hatred, anger, rage, and the aforementioned schadenfreude. It is no longer about each person just having a fun time, because the fun time has been consumed, it has been exhausted, and so the only fun time that remains is at the suffering of other individuals. This is the system EverQuest unknowingly began to dismantle in Luclin, and what was obliterated with Plane of Knowledge. It is the system that is lacking from most MMOs since, which has lead to the horrible communities present, that people acknowledge, but enough of the loudest embrace that it remains unshifting. It is one in which there is no true way for any sense of justice to occur from the ground up, only from the top down. But when the top is derived from those that are born from the inherently hate filled system, the corruption of the structure is unavoidable.

It isn't going to get better, as enough of the loudest too openly accept that this is how people are. The veil of consciousness has been driven so far over people's perceptions that it is nailed into their eyeballs.

What can I do? Nothing. Instead, I shall listen to George Carlin, one of the greatest critical thinkers, and outspoken individuals about the bullshit that has consumed our species and should be a disappointment to every critical thinker. I gave up on my countrymen, because I think we squandered great gifts. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls8RXqyZDsk) So, time to sit back, and enjoy. Lets watch the chaos, and watch the collapse. Instead of being invested in how we act, and how we are as a people, it's best to just sit back, and watch you all continue to fuck things up and squander your gifts, and your potential.

So in that way, Lord Bob's continual attitude has provided me a great deal of entertainment, because people that bad are what humanity is. You all embrace it, and that's the type of self-destructive people you'll be. And that's just funny to watch.

wat

[hatelore]

you weren't lying, this guy kicks ass lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgeLpFTNn8g

thanks for that lol, I love this guy.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

wat

Sky rotation broken, downfall of civilization. It's basically terminator from here on out.

[contemptor]

Bob has blacklisted Lord Bob. You heard it here first. This is the toxic bullshit we do not need on the server. Go away
I am blacklisting Lord Bob in accordance with Bob.

[contemptor]

*Queen Bob

[Bazia]

I'm sorry but invising past a ton of shitty players on island 1 is fucking awesome.

Long live the Bob.

[Bazia]

what's so funny 'bout peace, love, and understanding?

Great song man thanks for the flashback haha

[Vyal]

I'm sorry but invising past a ton of shitty players on island 1 is fucking awesome.

Long live the Bob.

Will take that duel anytime...

[Derubael]

The Not So Epic Story of Doljonijiarnimorinar Part 1

http://i.imgur.com/bkGWGYS.png

http://i.imgur.com/JhCV2eQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/DhfrJ1A.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/phlNrys.png

http://i.imgur.com/AunioYJ.png

http://i.imgur.com/JbQtQTk.png

http://i.imgur.com/1seG9w1.png

[Derubael]

The Not So Epic Story of Doljonijiarnimorinar Part 2

http://i.imgur.com/bp7Hi6Q.png

http://i.imgur.com/fccoYTd.png

http://i.imgur.com/V4EfwYm.png

http://i.imgur.com/4RiubB3.png

http://i.imgur.com/VeMKDVL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kZIzzda.png

http://i.imgur.com/05lP1OG.png

http://i.imgur.com/ttyXXqd.jpg

[Vyal]

Was funny cause we are up in Sky today. Died due to server crash, zoned into Chardok....

Lord Bob was zoned in during a pull.... The zone crashed 31 people dead.
True story.

[hatelore]

The Not So Epic Story of Doljonijiarnimorinar Part 2

http://i.imgur.com/bp7Hi6Q.png

http://i.imgur.com/fccoYTd.png

http://i.imgur.com/V4EfwYm.png

http://i.imgur.com/4RiubB3.png

http://i.imgur.com/VeMKDVL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kZIzzda.png

http://i.imgur.com/05lP1OG.png

http://i.imgur.com/ttyXXqd.jpg

LAWL

[Burrito]

Thanks for the comprehensive summary.

[Derubael]

o, and chest, sorry for putting your name on abe, i just know you can take a joke.

yendor, i would have put your name on there, but #blamechest is like the cool thing to do these days.

also, he took my car keys.

[khanable]

major lol

[hatelore]

That was epic lol, Derubael is the funniest guide, since guides were invented in guideland lawl.

[citizen1080]

Derubael that post was almost 99.9% win. An unprecedented amount on these forums. Even if I still think Lord Bob is trash I bow to that post. /applause

[Splorf22]

100% disagree. Why are you guys continually trolling RNF?

[Splorf22]

guys = guides, god

[Lune]

trolling RNF?

I'm legitimately curious what else someone would do in RNF.

[Derubael]

100% disagree. Why are you guys continually trolling RNF?

There was a lot of hate being spewed in this thread on all sides, this was my way of saying, 'no hard feelings, pals, we are all here for the lulz. also, pixels and nostalgia, so lets take a step back and learn to laugh at ourselves.'

[Bazia]

this splorf dude takes 3 year old island 2 sky pixels p seriously

[Bazia]

errr 4 year old my bad

[HeallunRumblebelly]

this splorf dude takes 3 year old island 2 sky pixels p seriously

http://i.imgur.com/JFuHJeq.jpg

[Pint]

derubael fast becoming #2 best staff member right behind ephi

[Maximius]

o, and chest, sorry for putting your name on abe, i just know you can take a joke.

deru... takes dicks, not jokes.

[Splorf22]

I'm legitimately curious what else someone would do in RNF.

I fail to see why the GMs are in this thread.

[triad]

100% disagree. Why are you guys continually trolling RNF?

[Mandalore93]

I think it's funny that Lord Bob is acting alpha now but I'm sure at some point class R guilds will help them in....pulling and see how well that goes for them.

[Tongpow]

I think it's funny that Lord Bob is acting alpha now but I'm sure at some point class R guilds will help them in....pulling and see how well that goes for them.

http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/e34/cca/8dc/resized/ffffffffffffffff-meme-generator-i-didnt-choose-the-mafia-life-the-mafia-life-chose-me-556160.jpg

[pharmakos]

There was a lot of hate being spewed in this thread on all sides, this was my way of saying, 'no hard feelings, pals, we are all here for the lulz. also, pixels and nostalgia, so lets take a step back and learn to laugh at ourselves.'

LORD BOB ISN"T HERE FOR THE LULZ THO

THEY"RE TRYING TO RUIN OUR SERVER



























lol naw i'm just feeding the trolls.

[Uteunayr]

wat

If you couldn't understand it, then it wasn't going to amuse or enlighten you anyhow. Lol.

you weren't lying, this guy kicks ass lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgeLpFTNn8g

thanks for that lol, I love this guy.

Yeah, George Carlin was a genius. His work is among the best, because somewhere around the late 1980's, he stopped focusing on short jokes (What does a dog do on his day off? He can't lay around, that's his job.), and he started to develop his comedy more focused at society and the way people relate to one another. It is absolutely genius. He said the moment when it happened is when he did this skit about saving the planet, saying that the planet is fine, the people are fucked. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL8HP1WzbDk)

[Uteunayr]

Sky rotation broken, downfall of civilization. It's basically terminator from here on out.

Awesome, someone got the joke. I do not mean that sarcastically, I am glad writing it was not wasted, lol.

[Wudan]

This is beyond ridiculous and the bias is really painful to watch.

LordBob asks 2 people from 2 guilds and they were told NO. They cant prove it, because they dont remember the names of those people, but Derubael believes them 100%. They did not talk to other guilds, but because they claim someone told them no, they are forever justified in their "fuck you" approach. Really?

They were offered spot, they were invited in discussion by many, but they kept saying no and Derubaels position is that it is perfectly ok and forever justified, because they were told NO by someone, somewhere...

Was that before or after their forumjaculation all over the sky day thread...?

Splorf, do you mean you spoke to them after they made their sky day post saying they wouldn't join in on the rotation, which was made after they were told 'no, you can't join the sky rotation'?

This "before or after" is laughable! They cant prove they were told NO, they cant even say who told them NO, but Derubael keeps lawyering this "before or after" nonsense. If they really wanted to cooperate with others they had many chances to do so.

Derubael, why dont you just tell us the truth? Say you have buddy in there and thats why you are trying to help them. Dont hide behind your indefensible "before or after" argument. One or two NOs from unknown (lol) does not beat all the offers from other guilds. Not if they are grown up adults with brains in their heads. This argument could maybe hold if we all were 5 years old kids.

Doljo will burn because of this. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

[radditsu]

o, and chest, sorry for putting your name on abe, i just know you can take a joke.

yendor, i would have put your name on there, but #blamechest is like the cool thing to do these days.

also, he took my car keys.

I called him out on his steve brule dick and not even a peep from him. Chest must have a life or something lately.

[Solb]

That epic story part 1 and part 2 by Derubael is hilarious. I get his point too, he is right. you people need to step back, and just laugh at yourselves a bit more. FFS you take this stuff sooooo seriously... It's goddamn pixels ladies and gentlemen! Pixels! Awesome depiction of a story Derubael by use of GIFs! Fricking awesome.

[arsenalpow]

I must have missed your quip, as far as Derubael I guess I don't think it's as funny as he does. I actually laughed when someone in RnF asked someone else if they "had an acute learning disability". That cracked me up more than seeing a bunch of dated memes with my name slapped on one. And if he's going for the long winded play then why wouldn't he use the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future. Poor form Derubael.

[Derubael]

Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future. Poor form Derubael.

gdi that would have been good too.

will use in future thx.

[JackFlash]

first time was funny(ish), second time......

[Tanthallas]

we are going to give them the "gentlemanly competition"

This is Yendor code for wanting to have sex with you.

[Jaxon]

I would rather see Deurbael admit that he was wrong.

But I suppose the hand-waving and misdirection is almost as good.

[Kagatob]

I would rather see Deurbael admit that he was wrong.

But I suppose the hand-waving and misdirection is almost as good.

The crappy reddit level meme spewing was annoying from the beginning, now it's just bad. You can tell that neither he nor his fan base have been on the internet for very long.

[YendorLootmonkey]

yendor, i would have put your name on there, but #blamechest is like the cool thing to do these days.

I am disappointed in this decision, but I fully blame Chest.

[Shannacore]

I missed out on the last 25 pages of this thread, any grand conclusions or epiphanies?

[Tecmos Deception]

That epic story part 1 and part 2 by Derubael is hilarious. I get his point too, he is right. you people need to step back, and just laugh at yourselves a bit more. FFS you take this stuff sooooo seriously... It's goddamn pixels ladies and gentlemen! Pixels! Awesome depiction of a story Derubael by use of GIFs! Fricking awesome.

It's not pixels. It's the huge amount of time and effort that many of us pour into this game that make it important to us. You'd be a retard NOT to be serious about a hobby that you invest this much into.

[radditsu]

I missed out on the last 25 pages of this thread, any grand conclusions or epiphanies?

Pg 13 references my large cock.

[radditsu]

I am disappointed in this decision, but I fully blame Chest.

How can you trust someone you cannot /who.



That ***** shady.

[skipdog]

I fail to see why the GMs are in this thread.

because it's RNF and they can do what they fucking want! this constant 'GMs shouldn't post here they have to be super nice to everybody at all times and should be held to a higher standard' stuff is fuckin hilarious to read!!

bravo Deru, bravo!

[Ciroco]

The crappy reddit level meme spewing was annoying from the beginning, now it's just bad. You can tell that neither he nor his fan base have been on the internet for very long.

I too am an internet hipster

[triad]

The crappy reddit level meme spewing was annoying from the beginning, now it's just bad. You can tell that neither he nor his fan base have been on the internet for very long.

considering the fact you think memes started on reddit shows your ignorance now go back to you myspace and dial up everquest connection and tell me more about how you know how long people have/havnt been on the internet

[Bazia]

idk i enjoyed the storyboard, more entertaining then anything anyone here whining about it has ever supplied/produced

[YendorLootmonkey]

If your vagina is sandy go take a walk, form your pearl, sell it on ebay

Wait.... girls can do that?!?!?! New money-making scheme to try tonight with some beach sand, a hand shovel, and the girlfriend!

[Splorf22]

because it's RNF and they can do what they fucking want! this constant 'GMs shouldn't post here they have to be super nice to everybody at all times and should be held to a higher standard' stuff is fuckin hilarious to read!!

bravo Deru, bravo!

If you have more fun taunting and trolling players than helping them, then why are you a GM? I'm not saying they have to take shit about their CSR decisions, but this thread is about a player agreement, not a staff one.

You (and Autotune) must have been picked on a lot as children.

[triad]

If you have more fun taunting and trolling players than helping them, then why are you a GM? I'm not saying they have to take shit about their CSR decisions, but this thread is about a player agreement, not a staff one.

You (and Autotune) must have been picked on a lot as children.

this is RNF bro there is no helping... you need help petition them ... its like meeting your boss at the strip club after work and you know hes got access to all the pixelated coke but he wont /summon it for you ... dicks

[Raavak]

If your vagina is sandy go take a walk, form your pearl, sell it on ebay
Wait.... girls can do that?!?!?! New money-making scheme to try tonight with some beach sand, a hand shovel, and the girlfriend!Sounds more lucrative than selling her on Backpage.com

[White Ranger Rides]

Wait.... girls can do that?!?!?! New money-making scheme to try tonight with some beach sand, a hand shovel, and the girlfriend!

http://i.imgur.com/cOaxfkZ.gif

[Skittlez]

http://i.imgur.com/cOaxfkZ.gif

My dick exploded.

[Anichek]

http://i.imgur.com/UsNoCAQ.jpg?1

Apparently the last url wasn't acceptable.

^^ The only post in this entire thread that made me laugh audibly - just rec'd the "why are you laughing, are you crazy?" look from co-workers.

[YendorLootmonkey]

http://i.imgur.com/cOaxfkZ.gif

Caption: "Project 1999... you're in OUR sandbox now!"

[Shannacore]

That gifs existence makes my ladybits hurt

[arsenalpow]

What would you have to google to find that???

[Tenlaar]

What would you have to google to find that???

Sandy vagina, of course.

[YendorLootmonkey]

What would you have to google to find that???

^^ sounds interested in finding the main Pouring Sand Directly Into Your Vagina fetish web site.

[skipdog]

If you have more fun taunting and trolling players than helping them, then why are you a GM? I'm not saying they have to take shit about their CSR decisions, but this thread is about a player agreement, not a staff one.

You (and Autotune) must have been picked on a lot as children.

I must have been picked on because I think it's hilarious that the GMs are posting in here with hilarious stuff on the RANTS AND FLAMES forum? Seriously?

Your logic confuses me. So you think GMs shouldn't be able to post on this forum because... why exactly? You've yet to even come up with a reason.

[Kagatob]

considering the fact you think memes started on reddit shows your ignorance now go back to you myspace and dial up everquest connection and tell me more about how you know how long people have/havnt been on the internet

And with a single post, triad reaches an entire new level of lacking reading comprehension!

[Raavak]

With all that sand... would you fuck her?

[triad]

And with a single post, triad reaches an entire new level of lacking reading comprehension!

If youre going to do something, might as well set the bar high

[Fuddwin]

It really boggles my mind that people go so crazy over an emulated server.

Am I the only one who REALLY lol'd after readying this?

Poor Splorf22 (Variety)

[Gnomersy]

Deruken is on a long-term mission to drive players off the server in a systematic way ending in a grand finale one month before Pantheon release. That finale is pulling the plug on p99. The GMs, deva of p99 will then reveal they've been secretly working for brad mcquaid since P:ROTF round table and are assuming administrative and developer roles for the aforementioned MMO that is actually a pyramid scheme the we are at the bottom of. Duruken sits back makes bank off subs and begins hatching a scheme to give in game advantages in P:ROTF via contributing to his "kick starter" on a future MMO. I mean who wants to be the middle guy in a Pyramid scheme amiright? /tinfoilllhatttt???? (Read in the "i am Ron Burgundy?" voice)

[Mehrk]

Sooooooo... was there ever closure on this? I got bored of sifting through random dumbasses trying to be funny about 10 pages in and skipped to the end to find a bunch of useless nonsense. Why was Deru and Sirken so obsessed with vindicating lord bob despite them being dicks? I remember some crap about how everyone is mean to them and not letting them play in the other reindeer's games and how the other class R guilds are somehow TMO now or some shit.

Last I heard, you guys made a raid policy so that TMO couldn't do what lord bob did anymore.

Kind of like the sky rotation policy that you didn't have to make because the player base did it themselves.

The sky rotation lord bob is ignoring and trying to take all the loot for themselves while you defend them.

Which kind of makes lord bob the TMO in this analogy and not the rest of the server.

Which makes me wonder WTF is going on because I don't want to read the other 30 pages.

[Mehrk]

You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.

TMO monopolizes everything for a years with a "Go to hell, pixels are mine." attitude.

Staff makes raid policy to stop that.

Lord bob comes in and does/attempts to do the same thing with the same attitude, though to a lesser degree obviously as they have less people.

Staff defends them.

Feel free to fill in the details I missed.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Does? Pretty sure Lord Bob hasn't "Does" anything nor can they do it (even if they were able to) because TMO, IB, and FE still exist.

My point stands.

Even TMO couldn't break Fear in the beginning, so the meme goes. Are you saying we should let Lord Bob systematically destroy the sky rotation other guilds have put into place by letting them roll over whoever they think is an easy victim? Or should we maybe try to put a stop to it before it goes too far?

[Cecily]

I figure if you complain about it loudly enough you can get Rogean to implement GM enforced rotations on all aspects of raiding. Wouldn't that be nice.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I figure if you complain about it loudly enough you can get Rogean to implement GM enforced rotations on all aspects of raiding. Wouldn't that be nice.

Last I checked, TMO cried pretty hard when their spot in the rotation got put up for grabs when they got disbanded. So, shut up, Cecily.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1232170&postcount=573

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1232648&postcount=583

http://www.project1999.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1232648&postcount=583

To their credit, they at least respect the player agreement for Sky, unlike Acarer's guild.

[Tasslehoff]

To their credit, they at least respect the player agreement for Sky, unlike Acarer's guild.

Do you think we would if we didn't have a slot? =)

[Comapavik]

I don't care what guilds try to do, just stop asking for GMs to handle all of your battles when another guild is playing by the server rules.

I must have missed some posts. Where did anyone ask the GMs to do anything about the player-made Sky rotation, except STFU and quit trolling the thread encouraging Lord Bob to shit all over it? All I've seen in here is a call for player enforced sanctions, which is what the punishment for breaking a player enforced agreement SHOULD be.

Handle their battles? WTF where are you seeing this?

[YendorLootmonkey]

You're trying to stop something that hasn't happened and can't happen.

I don't care what guilds try to do, just stop asking for GMs to handle all of your battles when another guild is playing by the server rules.

No one asked for GM intervention in this thread. They just kinda showed up and started posting memes and shit. :)

[Comapavik]

Weak backpedaling but I accept your apology.

[Awwalike]

play red stop crying and wasting GMs time. if u can't handle competition i suggest trying single player games

[YendorLootmonkey]

You all are nothing more than bullies trying to make an up and coming guild bend to your rules when they don't have to and when mommy won't hold your hand and scold them you get pissy and throw these fits.

Or, they are the bully muscling their way in on a pre-established sky rotation by fucking over a guild that was trying their first attempt on Sky in their assigned slot, and expect us to bend to their rules and accommodate their style of play just because they decided the way everyone else has decided to handle Sky doesn't meet their needs?

Perception is a two-way street, son.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Perception is a two-way street... really?

Except nothing Lord Bob has done is against the server's rules and nothing the GMs have said is out of the ordinary.

Again, you're bullying a guild to conform with your player rules when they don't have to. Also seems that the guild they went up against is more inline with their skill level and ability... I suppose you'd rather them go up against a stacked guild though, because that is more inline with your bully mentality.

Nope, I just want everyone to play nice instead of pulling dick moves "within the rules" just because there's not specifically a rule against it, but clearly it's a dick move. This has always been about creating an enjoyable raid scene from what it has been in the past. The plane of sky rotation is an example of players/guilds working together on their own to make the raid scene better for as many people as possible. I'm sorry you don't want that for the server.

[Tongpow]

Or, they are the bully muscling their way in on a pre-established sky rotation by fucking over a guild that was trying their first attempt on Sky in their assigned slot, and expect us to bend to their rules and accommodate their style of play just because they decided the way everyone else has decided to handle Sky doesn't meet their needs?

Perception is a two-way street, son.

lolwat

afaik we don't expect anyone to do anything other than be dicks obviously. i wasn't there that night but the 2 sky raids ive been on, one involved basically the same thing happening to us but we just jumped off and went on playing the game, not crying to staff about it because no rule was broken they pulled.engaged and killed it before we could even though we were in zone, clearing before they showed up

you act as if this randomly happened in a vacuum or someshit, shit started like 2months ago when we first show'd up on the scene with allegations of being a TMO alt guild and other dumbshit so imo it seems we've taken an isolationist approach to the server considering most of you are bat shit crazy

[YendorLootmonkey]

you act as if this randomly happened in a vacuum or someshit, shit started like 2months ago when we first show'd up on the scene with allegations of being a TMO alt guild and other dumbshit so imo it seems we've taken an isolationist approach to the server considering most of you are bat shit crazy

Oh, I can tell you exactly when it started. On 12/17/13:

Doljonijiarnimorinar will not be participating in this rotation schedule. We feel that it makes absolutely zero logic especially on a server as highly competitive as this one particularly when Velious is near. We understand that there will be hurt feelings and people will contest us as we will them but such is the nature of EVERY spawn/zone on this server and we do not see any reason why this one should be unique.

Caleros- 60 Monk
Officer- Doljonijiarnimorinar

[Cecily]

we've taken an isolationist approach to the server considering most of you are bat shit crazy

GDI I like you guys.

[Derubael]

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[citizen1080]

lolwat

afaik we don't expect anyone to do anything other than be dicks obviously. i wasn't there that night but the 2 sky raids ive been on, one involved basically the same thing happening to us but we just jumped off and went on playing the game, not crying to staff about it because no rule was broken they pulled.engaged and killed it before we could even though we were in zone, clearing before they showed up

you act as if this randomly happened in a vacuum or someshit, shit started like 2months ago when we first show'd up on the scene with allegations of being a TMO alt guild and other dumbshit so imo it seems we've taken an isolationist approach to the server considering most of you are bat shit crazy

played Eve for about a year without paying,

step 1 > join a random small " indy / mining " corp

step 2 > gain abit of trust doing corp mining ops and pretending on teamspeak mining / building shit isn't the most boring shit on earth with a profit of like 0.00001 due to CCP fuck ups in the past like drone alloy things or that book you can refine for minerals

step 3 > take down their POS , empty the corp hangars, dump all your new lewtz into a Freighter you stole from them also, and lol all the way to Jita to sell everything


step 4 > go to Low Sec Faction warfare or null and pvp until you either get bored of the game / run out of stolen isk to pay for account + ships



that was my experience with eve anyway. nothing crazy like the famous heists but it was fun for what it was


http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa309/Kuja2600/JournalWalletLol.jpg


Stand up guy in all forms of internet entertainment. I highly value his opinion. You should too

[Mehrk]

Does? Pretty sure Lord Bob hasn't "Does" anything nor can they do it (even if they were able to) because TMO, IB, and FE still exist.

My point stands.

Sad young lawyer with no court to QQ in. Their intent is made clear, there is evidence to prove it. I'm unsure of whether they have only attempted to jack peoples pixels or if they have succeeded and it doesn't matter one bit because they have already said they are going to.

The only thing that stands is the fact that you still think you are right, despite obviously being wrong, simply because you can't take the ego hit. Much like every delusional nerd who spends a solid month of every year stalking neckbeards on a meaningless internet forum.

Oh and fyi.. I've never even joined a single guild on any character in the 2~ years of on/off playing on this server or killed a single raid mob because it's not worth the effort dealing with people who only have fun by shitting on other people's good time like Lord Bob. Especially in a game with long ass respawns. I love that you guys call it 'competition'. It's hilarious that you want to compete over being the best loser. So please, make yourself look like a fucking idiot by accusing me of wanting GM intervention because I need free loot.

The only thing I want to know in this thread is why the staff implements restrictions on raid guilds for monopolizing content in a "competitive" way and then turns around 3 months later and defends a guild for trying to do the exact same fucking thing.

[Burrito]

The only thing I want to know in this thread is why the staff implements restrictions on raid guilds for monopolizing content in a "competitive" way and then turns around 3 months later and defends a guild for trying to do the exact same fucking thing.

Hypocrisy is the new fad and server stabilizer. Don't allow RMT then bring in something that allows RMT, then slowly backtrack until everything works out and people are happy they made "changes"

[Lojik]

You don't know anything, but apparently you think people want to read the shit that you make up in your head... well they don't.
Yah he should know important shit...like Stealin's loot philosophy about how Crown>Robe. That's some real important shit to know.

[Derubael]

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d0/d0d1e66f03227efeb0f9ff9488b0d61564eb7ce704a10f10e3 438c1b10c5bb5e.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/JbQtQTk.png

[Mehrk]

I stopped here. You don't know anything, but apparently you think people want to read the shit that you make up in your head... well they don't.

You have yet to say a single thing in this entire thread afaik. You just sit here telling people they want free loots and that's it. Pretty sad if you can't even come up with a comeback besides "I'M RIGHT DERP".

[Tongpow]

Stand up guy in all forms of internet entertainment. I highly value his opinion. You should too

pity reply but taking down a RMT corp, is doing god's work

you left that part out, incase anyone is as retarded as this fuckhead and doesn't understand how eve is played and/or is confused about wtf that quote is about

[Derubael]

To be real for a moment, neither myself nor Sirken defended Doljonijiarnimorinar's actions even once. In fact, neither of us even commented as to the validity of their actions in sky. I said I wasn't surprised they were acting like dicks, and that it was ridiculous that the same people who were talking about not forcing playstyles on others just a short time ago were now screaming for Doljonijiarnimorinar to play their way or go to class C.

We don't, and never will enforce a sky rotation. Any agreement made in regards to sky is player made, and should be player enforced (yes, i am saying you should band together and block doljon from doing sky if you want them to fall in line). I sincerely wish Doljon would just find a slot on the rotation, and told them as much months ago, because I feel it cuts down on shenanigans. That being said, it's their choice if they don't want to do so.

Thx, and remember, when I see something and say:

http://i.imgur.com/4RiubB3.png

That's pretty much the only time I ever post in RnF.

[doeda]

And with a single post, triad reaches an entire new level of lacking reading comprehension!

New Tasselhoff?

[hatelore]

Ah, I'm sorry. I suppose I mistake the usual crying that gained guilds the restricted slot for you wanting the GMs to do something again because things weren't going your way.

SILLY ME.

I mean, it's not like you guys are claiming that GMs are in here encouraging lord bob because they won't side with you guys and your cries...

lol, you funny homie~ If I remember correctly you were all behind and trying to orchestrate a plan for class_restriction_mob_play_fair_01. I mean, wasn't your version of the ruleset the best? =P

Joo funny homebrew~

[Solb]

The crappy reddit level meme spewing was annoying from the beginning, now it's just bad. You can tell that neither he nor his fan base have been on the internet for very long.

Is this an insult?

[Yaolin]

I just wanted to thank everyone for the 22,500+ views of this thread in 48 hours... it's clear we all need to find something else to do =/ and everyone needs to stop being assholes and stop using the "We're just being competitive, that doesn't make us assholes." excuse.

[phiren]

I said I wasn't surprised they were acting like dicks, and that it was ridiculous that the same people who were talking about not forcing playstyles on others just a short time ago were now screaming for Doljonijiarnimorinar to play their way or go to class C.

because I feel it cuts down on shenanigans.
.

So it sounds like you agree:
#1) They are acting like dicks
#2) They are creating shenanigans

Doljon is currently forcing THEIR playstyle on other guilds. I don't know why it's a complicated concept to recognize. Their playstyle involves leap frogging, contesting, competing, FTE'ing... sound familiar?

Rogaen, yourself, and other GMs banned EVERYONE from raiding because a 'minority' was forcing their playstyle on the 'majority'... and we needed GM enforced raid rules to resolve that issue.

This is really no different.

This isn't about Doljon necessarily --- this is about any other group of 'dicks who just want to create shenanagins' that want to show up down the line.


~Phiren

[Derubael]

We kicked everyone off raiding because no one could agree on anything when we forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene.

We forced people to make an arrangement for the raid scene because we wanted everyone to have a chance to experience content.

It never had anything to do with forcing play styles.

[Kope]

We don't, and never will enforce a sky rotation. Any agreement made in regards to sky is player made, and should be player enforced (yes, i am saying you should band together and block doljon from doing sky if you want them to fall in line). I sincerely wish Doljon would just find a slot on the rotation, and told them as much months ago, because I feel it cuts down on shenanigans. That being said, it's their choice if they don't want to do so.

I agree that it's their choice if they want to join the rotation or not, but you're now telling me you're agreeing with us that they never actually tried to join the rotation? Wasn't the first 30 pages of this thread because you didn't think we attempted to give them a fair shake?

Again the only reason I'm here is because of the GM intervention and what's being put forth as truth.

Again, if Doljon wants a spot I'm more than happy to work with them, but none of them have even attempted to contact me, or anyone that I know in any form other than to say they don't want in on the rotation.

[Kope]

I fail at quoting :(.

[Lojik]

We don't, and never will enforce a sky rotation. Any agreement made in regards to sky is player made, and should be player enforced (yes, i am saying you should band together and block doljon from doing sky if you want them to fall in line). I sincerely wish Doljon would just find a slot on the rotation, and told them as much months ago, because I feel it cuts down on shenanigans. That being said, it's their choice if they don't want to do so.

I agree that it's their choice if they want to join the rotation or not, but you're now telling me you're agreeing with us that they never actually tried to join the rotation? Wasn't the first 30 pages of this thread because you didn't think we attempted to give them a fair shake?

Again the only reason I'm here is because of the GM intervention and what's being put forth as truth.


Again, if Doljon wants a spot I'm more than happy to work with them, but none of them have even attempted to contact me, or anyone that I know in any form other than to say they don't want in on the rotation.

Naw naw I bet they contacted you guys in regards to a merger proposal.

[Derubael]

I agree that it's their choice if they want to join the rotation or not, but you're now telling me you're agreeing with us that they never actually tried to join the rotation? Wasn't the first 30 pages of this thread because you didn't think we attempted to give them a fair shake?

Again the only reason I'm here is because of the GM intervention and what's being put forth as truth.

Again, if Doljon wants a spot I'm more than happy to work with them, but none of them have even attempted to contact me, or anyone that I know in any form other than to say they don't want in on the rotation.

This was from my very first post in this thread:

If this information is incorrect, I apologize

I have no idea if Doljon actually contacted someone or not. All I have is secondhand info from Hyjal saying he did. It sounds plausible to me that when they were first getting together as a guild back in ~November that someone told them no you aren't ready, so they said fuck it and decided to do what they wanted instead. It didn't sound like they were to keen about being on the rotation anyway. After my conversation with Hyjal I didn't pursue the issue further.

Even if they didn't ask, this doesn't change my stance that telling Doljon to play your way or GTFO of Class R is hypocritical and wrong, which is what my responses in this thread have been about.

[Aaron]

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[Kope]

We don't, and never will enforce a sky rotation. Any agreement made in regards to sky is player made, and should be player enforced (yes, i am saying you should band together and block doljon from doing sky if you want them to fall in line).

Even if they didn't ask, this doesn't change my stance that telling Doljon to play your way or GTFO of Class R is hypocritical and wrong, which is what my responses in this thread have been about.

So we're jerks for asking them to join the rotation, but you think we should band together and force them into the way we want to play while they have a perfectly viable option to play they want in the competitive class?

I don't....I'm sorry Deru I straight up don't understand your logic. I'm not at all attempting to be inflammatory but I just...I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[phacemeltar]

there can be no peace?

[Derubael]

So we're jerks for asking them to join the rotation, but you think we should band together and force them into the way we want to play while they have a perfectly viable option to play they want in the competitive class?

I don't....I'm sorry Deru I straight up don't understand your logic. I'm not at all attempting to be inflammatory but I just...I don't understand what you're trying to say.

1) Don't base your entire argument during the raid talks on not forcing play styles, and then try to force your play style on Doljon by telling them to GTFO. What you seem to be misunderstanding is that I personally do not care about this whole 'forcing of play styles' thing. I don't think any of the staff does. We just want everyone to have a shot at content. But you guys as a whole do, and made a very big deal about it very recently, so to hear certain people screaming for this to happen is hypocrisy at it's finest.

2) Players should enforce player rotations. This means impose your own sanctions on guilds who don't fall in line. Doljon trying to snipe a CT that was supposed to go to Taken? Port BDA up and zerg that shit in 3 seconds. Going for an Indignation Maestro? Bring up AG and knock him out before they can even mobilize. Make them play your game, or not get content. EQ capitalism at it's best.

[Man0warr]

No one told Lord Bob to GTFO - you can't find one piece of evidence except for some convo you had with Hyjal.

No guild said they couldn't join Sky Rotation, no Class R guild denied them a place in negotiations or Class R rotation spot.

Stop saying it, you are just being inflammatory at this point.

[Jaxon]

Even if they didn't ask, this doesn't change my stance that telling Doljon to play your way or GTFO of Class R is hypocritical and wrong, which is what my responses in this thread have been about.

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

[Comapavik]

Sounds like deru's saying we should band together to enforce the player made sky rotation, but not the player made class r rotation. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

I get that this is not your real job, and you are free to say whatever you want here, but you should probably realize that your words carry a little more weight here than everyone else's. Whether or not you intended to, you are provoking lord bob into pulling more shenanigans. Maybe lay off the trolling and stay out of issues that are purely between players unless you're just trying to stir up shit. Or use a troll account like everyone else.

[Derubael]

No one told Lord Bob to GTFO

Do I really need to go back through the countless posts in multiple threads telling Lord Bob to metaphorically gtfo, or can you do this yourself? Read my posts again. I never said anything about 'gtfo of sky'.

[Tanthallas]

I think what he is trying to say is that if you collectively want something to be done, take steps to see that it is done. Actions speak louder than words - if five of you want rotations and one doesnt, why dont you pool your collective power to ensure that you have the upper hand? The raid agreements were not meant to provide you with what you want when you want it, but instead with more opportunities that you didnt have before by segregating you from FE, IB, and TMO.

I dont think analogies to capitalism are fitting, however. This is just standard balance of power politics that exist within any type of social formation.

[Tanthallas]

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

I think you fail to understand that the raid agreements were not based upon a philosophy of different sides or the playstyles of different sides - they took place because of the practical fact that only 3 guilds were killing shit for years.

[Uteunayr]

1) Don't base your entire argument during the raid talks on not forcing play styles, and then try to force your play style on Doljon by telling them to GTFO. What you seem to be misunderstanding is that I personally do not care about this whole 'forcing of play styles' thing. I don't think any of the staff does. We just want everyone to have a shot at content. But you guys as a whole do, and made a very big deal about it very recently, so to hear certain people screaming for this to happen is hypocrisy at it's finest.

2) Players should enforce player rotations. This means impose your own sanctions on guilds who don't fall in line. Doljon trying to snipe a CT that was supposed to go to Taken? Port BDA up and zerg that shit in 3 seconds. Going for an Indignation Maestro? Bring up AG and knock him out before they can even mobilize. Make them play your game, or not get content. EQ capitalism at it's best.

1) It is not the fault of the people on the server that less-higher progressed guilds are by and large not inherently competitive players seeking to dissolve and destroy player made agreements. Class C serves the purpose of giving a home to people who seek such cutthroat type of raiding environment, and Lord Bob, if seeking that type of thing, to obliterate agreements that were held up by even the most competitive of guilds prior to any sort of agreement, should be Class C. It is not appropriate to say that they need to bring that type of bad blood to Class R because there is no way they can compete in Class C, as that is inherent upon the play style present in Class C. If hardcore, competitive behavior is something that people want, they should be encouraged and free to join Class C. If they want more lower end guilds to compete in that way, the environment must be made more appealing to encourage new guilds to join that play style. If it does not, than it is forced, and there's no spreading around of content that each can see.

2) Player enforced rotations would be enforceable, as you describe, without the later added lock out system. Then, such decent arrangements would be possible. As stated in the rules, if I remember correctly, any guild that has more than 1 or 2 players involved on the aggro table of the mob that dies, a class R mob, that guild is added to a 2 respawn lock out for class R specific mobs. This makes the type of playe rmade enforcement mechanism you describe being to the worst degree of improbable, short of some sheisty bullshit like running multiple different guild names and splitting the population of one guild. In the past in EverQuest, the enforcement mechanism that players could levy across non-compliant players, would be in terms of restraining assistance to that guild in the way of rezzes, ports, and the like. But since in the EQ timeline, we're probably on Planes of Power at this point, there is a major inflation that I am certain you recognize in number of 60s, and number of alternate characters.

This effectively makes it so that there is no enforcement mechanism possible by players in a classic EQ sense, or in a "help the other compliant guilds out" sense. This would encourage those guilds that seek the type of disruptive behavior (which I say with no negative connotation, since it is perfectly reasonable to find that stuff fun) displayed by Class C guilds to join Class C, and appeal to more guilds to join that, because that is their conception of fun. If they cannot encourage enough people to join their style, than it isn't what enough people care about, so why should the majority be sacrificed for the sake of a few people who simply wish to see the world burn?

However, most of the issue here deals with Sky, something that the vast majority have agreed works better in a sense of rotation due to the way that the key system works. One guild to throw that aside, that even the previously most competitive have agreed to. At least when Europa when in and attempted to usurp a Sky day, they had a history of having attempted to engage the other players to gain a day through the system in place, but when found lacking, they took one. It was resolved, and all has been well since. But the original posts by Lord Bob were not seeking such a thing, and there has been little to no investigation upon it since. The pleasure and fun of some cannot rest upon the suffering and degradation of the many. Nor can the pleasure and fun of the many rest upon the suffering and degradation of the few. That is why separating the two and giving each a class to attempt to enjoy the game to their maximum degree was the best solution to this. But it ultimately fails if people do not correctly sort, as it is effectively the same as griefing. And when additional rules are put in place that bind the ability to player enforce, and the normal mechanics of enforcement are gone by nature of the server, you run into these issues, and they will continue to happen.

[Derubael]

Sounds like deru's saying we should band together to enforce the player made sky rotation, but not the player made class r rotation

This means impose your own sanctions on guilds who don't fall in line. Doljon trying to snipe a CT that was supposed to go to Taken? Port BDA up and zerg that shit in 3 seconds. Going for an Indignation Maestro? Bring up AG and knock him out before they can even mobilize. Make them play your game, or not get content. EQ capitalism at it's best.

uh. what?

Which goes to show that you have failed to understand the R position, which is why everyone is sitting here laughing at you.

There are guilds that want to experience content without having to race other players, and guilds that want to stomp face. The issue central to the talks was the segregation of these classes and how much of a share of raid content each would get. Asking Bob to leave the R mobs alone until they're prepared to join the rotation is in line with this philosophy and is in no way hypocritical.

And here's where I bow out, because you're never going to get it.

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

More importantly, these talks were never about segregation. It was about letting everyone experience content. What you think it was about and what it was actually about are two entirely different things. If these talks had been entirely player driven and created, it would be acceptable to make your own reasoning as to why they took place. Unfortunately, they were not, so please don't tell me what the central issue was when you had no part in getting them started in the first place. If this was about what you say it was about, Rogean would have enforced a rotation on Class R.

Good day, sirs. I have made my point, it is valid, if you do not get it, please re-read then /facepalm.

[Tanthallas]

1)This effectively makes it so that there is no enforcement mechanism possible by players in a classic EQ sense, or in a "help the other compliant guilds out" sense. This would encourage those guilds that seek the type of disruptive behavior (which I say with no negative connotation, since it is perfectly reasonable to find that stuff fun) displayed by Class C guilds to join Class C, and appeal to more guilds to join that, because that is their conception of fun. If they cannot encourage enough people to join their style, than it isn't what enough people care about, so why should the majority be sacrificed for the sake of a few people who simply wish to see the world burn?

If a guild acts in a way that is against the vast majority of guilds interest, there will be consequences to that guild. If that guild thinks that there will be no consequences because the vast majority of other guilds like to talk about things instead of act upon things, then the vast majority of guilds simply dont deserve to have their positions be dominant.

What you are talking about here is a guild breaking an agreement and killing a dragon that other parties had some pre-arranged deal for. This is not the end of the world. It is one mob. If a guild acts that way, the enforcement mechanism that exists is consequences.

Noone gives a shit about your playstyle if you arent going to fight for your playstyle.

[Erati]

I approached Hyjal to join class R guild talks as well fully knowing that they probably wouldnt change their "no rotation stance"

i simply wanted him to join, listen to the leaders amd their ideas possibly to find something Hyjals guild would b interested in being a part of

while he didnt say no, he also did not do anything with the BDA vent info i gave him

he also said he had no mic and while i was discouraged he couldnt communicate verbally (very important with 15 loud mouth guild leaders in channel) i gave him the info and told him to come listen n do what he could

could he have sent another rep with a mic and thus b "a part" of those talks- Yes

this is the problem here w Bob, their stance is ignorance. Dont read the forums and just play the victim card of uninformed. Stick their head in the sand deep enough b blissfully unaware of things like this very thread.

i wish we could all just "play the game" but it seems here on P99 the game and the forums are one in the same at times.

[Uteunayr]

If a guild acts in a way that is against the vast majority of guilds interest, there will be consequences to that guild. If that guild thinks that there will be no consequences because the vast majority of other guilds like to talk about things instead of act upon things, then the vast majority of guilds simply dont deserve to have their positions be dominant.

What you are talking about here is a guild breaking an agreement and killing a dragon that other parties had some pre-arranged deal for. This is not the end of the world. It is one mob. If a guild acts that way, the enforcement mechanism that exists is consequences.

Noone gives a shit about your playstyle if you arent going to fight for your playstyle.

Correct. And now continue reading my post so you realize I actually answered this. But, for the sake of simplicity, I will restate it.

I am not against the idea of players enforcing player made rotations. By all means. And in FFA, that is possible. What Derubael suggests is that we should port up BDA to help zerg and defend compliant guilds who are being opposed by non-compliant guilds, to provide consequences (see? I can bold text too. :D), to those guilds. I describe that the 2-kill lockout makes this an incredibly improbable form of player based enforcement, as the structure they have put on us with this rule has made such a thing unenforceable in this way.

Additionally, the traditional classic EQ form of maintaining a rotation would be through having guilds boycott that guild in terms of ports, rezzes, and the like. And as I said, that enforcement mechanism (offering consequences on the player base for leader's decisions) worked in classic, but cannot work here because to the classic timeline, we're in Planes of Power. There is such a concentration of 60s, that every guild is a self-contained superstructure that can persist without the assistance of the community as a general whole. This is not the fault of the players, it is not even the fault of the developers or the staff. This is a consequence of the fact that we are not in a purely classic experience, and therefore the classic means of delivering consequences to non-compliant guilds are not met.

These two things together are the primary enforcement mechanisms, the first being what Derubael suggested (guilds helping other guilds to enforce player based rotations), but the structure forced down does not permit that on the grounds of having 1-2 people on the list will add to the raid lock out for Class R. Therefore, such consequences cannot exist. And since this server is terribly inflated, it cannot exist in that form.

Believe me, I am all for player agreements being player enforced. My focus of study is on International Relations, and I love the work of Keohane and Nye, Waltz, Wendt, and the rest. I am all for having class R fight for class R play style. But the parts added to the plan make it impossible for that play style to be defended in the way Derubael suggested, or in the classic EQ sense.

If you have another way of delivering consequences (I can think of PvP, but we're blue), by all means share.

[Tanthallas]

Are you seriously trying to argue that the ability to dish out consequences is non-existant here? All of the class R guilds combined who agree on wanting to rotate can easily...EASILY...beat Lord Bob into submission if they actually did something other than post on the forums and change their forum avatars to Jax Teller.

[Man0warr]

This isn't about Class R - but they have already beaten Lord Bob to anything they have attempted during Class R or FFA spawns.

This is a Sky dispute, which the entire server has agreed to.

[Splorf22]

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Our play-style involves asking them to play our play-style.

[Uteunayr]

Are you seriously trying to argue that the ability to dish out consequences is non-existant here? All of the class R guilds combined who agree on wanting to rotate can easily...EASILY...beat Lord Bob into submission if they actually did something other than post on the forums and change their forum avatars to Jax Teller.

Correct. And I have outlined the two most prominent forms, both of which are not possible either due to structural forces that was added in as a part of sharing around mobs in class R (an admirable goal, but questionable and difficult outcome), or due to the unintentional consequences of this as a classic server in progress that has made it so guilds are incredibly insulated from one another to the point where there is no complex interdependence in the game as there was in classic.

And so I once more emphasize:

If you have another way of delivering consequences (I can think of PvP, but we're blue), by all means share.

[Heebo]

If I were in Dolj, I'd just join the rotation - learn some encounter mechanics. Then I'd crawfish and drill that ol' devil in the ass.
- Curly Bill Brocius

[Uteunayr]

This isn't about Class R - but they have already beaten Lord Bob to anything they have attempted during Class R or FFA spawns.

This is a Sky dispute, which the entire server has agreed to.

Correct, which is why I shifted my initial post toward Sky specifically, as the post by Derubael begged for a more general approach to the philosophy and science of political relations between differentiated units.

Sky is a different beast all together, and I partitioned off a section of my post entirely for that. I think that may be what is being missed. I should use bars more often.

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[Uteunayr]

If I were in Dolj, I'd just join the rotation - learn some encounter mechanics. Then I'd crawfish and drill that ol' devil in the ass.
- Curly Bill Brocius

Since I find that it is impossible to edit posts here, I shall toss on yet another, and just say you have a fantastic forum signature. Reminds me of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ)

[Erati]

This isn't about Class R - but they have already beaten Lord Bob to anything they have attempted during Class R or FFA spawns.

This is a Sky dispute, which the entire server has agreed to.



this, if you notice Lord Bob is not even a classified guild.....

Bob is welcome to do their thing. As much as Class R guilds dislike it, and wishes they would take part rather than disrupt, its understandable that we can't 'force' them to do anything they don't want to do.

However, doing what they did in Plane of Sky, when we have had nearly every major guild from BOTH tiers agreeing to a rotation for over a calendar YEAR is unacceptable.

[Heebo]

Since I find that it is impossible to edit posts here, I shall toss on yet another, and just say you have a fantastic forum signature. Reminds me of this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ)

^ This guy gets it.

[log]

Asking Doljon to play a certain way AT ALL is hypocritical.

Derubael pretty much hit the nail on the head here.

All I see is a bunch of BDA crybabies in this thread,

You are all basically telling an up and coming guild they cant experience p1999 they way they want to play it. Pretty contradictory to all of BDA's stances going in to the Tier 2 raid discussion.

Clearly they are not ready to face TMO FE/IB if they are not even on the raid page,

So hats off to you self entitled BDA'ers for complaining so much that you essentially broke the classic p1999 experience that once was. God forbid an up and coming guild doesn't want to join your precious rotation of pixels.

You all will clearly never be happy and are just looking for drama, it's not even your sky day that you all are complaining about.

Good day gentlemen

[Yaolin]

There are so many mentally handicapped assholes in this thread it's unbelievable. I want you to go out into the real word (Make sure to put your suntan lotion on, we know you need it), get some real friends (We know that isn't happening), and then go try to pull off the same kind of shit that you preach is totally 100% okay on P99 (You will get your shit handed to you, because there are psychos out there with guns and knives that will hurt you.)

It isn't ok to be an asshole just because you're online and I don't know where you live. The fact is that sadly a lot of people in this server don't have anything of real value in their lives to understand that being an asshole over pixels is just lame. Have some respect for other people and then maybe they will have some for you. :confused:

[Tongpow]

There are so many mentally handicapped assholes in this thread it's unbelievable. I want you to go out into the real word (Make sure to put your suntan lotion on, we know you need it), get some real friends (We know that isn't happening), and then go try to pull off the same kind of shit that you preach is totally 100% okay on P99 (You will get your shit handed to you, because there are psychos out there with guns and knives that will hurt you.)

It isn't ok to be an asshole just because you're online and I don't know where you live. The fact is that sadly a lot of people in this server don't have anything of real value in their lives to understand that being an asshole over pixels is just lame. Have some respect for other people and then maybe they will have some for you. :confused:

projecting much? i left over the leapfrogging/apparently this dude gets people banned in the past that i wasn't aware of shit but the idea of a small guild competing with actual big guilds is classic as fuck imo and just because people don't wanna basically get handed loot for free or just get handed loot until they are rdy to compete with TMO/IB/FE via rotation but wanna race for shit within the rules and Doljo was our only option for that if we didnt already have a fucking VP key and 15k of resist gear = were bad peopel

no sir, you're fucking dumb or trolling idk

[oldschooltrader]

projecting much? i left over the leapfrogging/apparently this dude gets people banned in the past that i wasn't aware of shit but the idea of a small guild competing with actual big guilds is classic as fuck imo and just because people don't wanna basically get handed loot for free or just get handed loot until they are rdy to compete with TMO/IB/FE via rotation but wanna race for shit within the rules and Doljo was our only option for that if we didnt already have a fucking VP key and 15k of resist gear = were bad peopel

no sir, you're fucking dumb or trolling idk

/facepalm

you realize most of the tier R people in this thread are referring to Lord Bob's ass-hattery in Sky not what Lord Bob does with the raid bosses.

Sky Plane is rotated by the entire server. From TMO to BDA to Europa. If guilds wish to join the rotation, solutions are worked out diplomatically. There is nothing 'classic as fuck' about leapfrogging a guild on Isle 1 of Sky while they cleared fairies and you buy keys.

No loot is free in this game, you still have to take down the mobs jesus. This is obvious by the fact that Lord Bob has not achieved this yet. If loot was truly 'free' as you love to put it, you would have scored 2 Faydedar and 1 CT kill so far.

Also there are tons of guilds out there that don't require a VP key or 15k in resist gear lol, there were plenty of options for people before they joined that guild. Problem was is many people in Lord Bob failed in other guilds already.

Misinformed and uninformed are two separate things.

[billw134]

The real issue is that their guild name is too hard to spell.

And it is really long, filled with constantly alternating consanants & vowels.

I am in AG and I have friends in Doljonijiarnimolinar.

Well, a friend. Not a real friend. Just an EQ friend. Okay, more of an acquaintance. but we like talk and stuff using keyboards and purple text.

I might get on Snapchat with some of you guys.

In reference to, I guess, Hyjal sucking off Derubael's dick, I learned on Bill Nye the Science Guy that male snakes have 2 dicks. (Wait, I can say "sucking off Derubael's dick" in RnF, right?). Shit fuck, did I even spell Derubael's name right? One time he gave me an illusion form when I was streaming on twitch bc I told him I was streaming on twitch. that was cool. what he didn't know was that no one was watching me.

dwarves make the tiniest iksar skeletons. It was kind of disappointing.

Back to Derubael's 2 dicks. What is going on with the other dick? I mean iksars are snakes, right? Bc if I can skooch Hyjal over enough to fit in there and hook on up to it, I would really enjoy some me time, nawmsayin?

Anyhow, back to the point of the whole thing: Hyjal is a dick, and on a dick, and if he skooches over some I got dibs on Derubael's 2nd snake dick.

DIBS, BITCHES!

[Portasaurus]

WTB Snake Meat

[Aaron]

Dokt just won this thread.

[Tongpow]

was referring to the situation where it was 6 guilds vs 1 like what happened with Fay,and tal that one day and as outdoor dragons nothing about racing for it seemed wrong to me, but porting up to planes n shit when people are already up there is just yeah...

and sky rotation wasn't something separate in my mind i just remembered 2 day long sky raids where you camp out half way up or having to use coffins n shit and i dint give a fuck about forums until the drama started so i didn't read the sky threads or any for that matter so had no idea about 7day corpses or not killing that one dude to keep the other dude to keep respawning

[baalzy]

LOL you obviously didn't read all of this either...prove that he didn't ask before posting that. The End

Prove that aliens don't rape your asshole in your sleep and then wipe your memory.

[log]

There are so many mentally handicapped assholes in this thread it's unbelievable. I want you to go out into the real word (Make sure to put your suntan lotion on, we know you need it), get some real friends (We know that isn't happening), and then go try to pull off the same kind of shit that you preach is totally 100% okay on P99 (You will get your shit handed to you, because there are psychos out there with guns and knives that will hurt you.)



Yes let me get right on that tanning in the beginning of February, I live in the south and its 37 degrees and raining. What fucking planet do you live on?

Fail on trying to correlate an elf simulator with having a fulfilling lifestyle more please. Do you really think i'm going to walk outside and instantly get stabbed and shot? Are you that afraid of leaving your parents basement?


It isn't ok to be an asshole just because you're online and I don't know where you live. The fact is that sadly a lot of people in this server don't have anything of real value in their lives to understand that being an asshole over pixels is just lame. Have some respect for other people and then maybe they will have some for you. :confused:


Maybe you should try following your own advice, I've had it with everyone coming off like they're fucking nuns on this server.

You are the biggest group of hypocritical whiners.

You all are just adding fire to fire at this point and hoping to put it out.
/thread

[Aaron]

was referring to the situation where it was 6 guilds vs 1 like what happened with Fay,and tal that one day and as outdoor dragons nothing about racing for it seemed wrong to me, but porting up to planes n shit when people are already up there is just yeah...

and sky rotation wasn't something separate in my mind i just remembered 2 day long sky raids where you camp out half way up or having to use coffins n shit and i dint give a fuck about forums until the drama started so i didn't read the sky threads or any for that matter so had no idea about 7day corpses or not killing that one dude to keep the other dude to keep respawning

Also, you're full of shit.

[Sinestria]

So all it took was a RnF thread for Bob to want to play ball? Or was it beacause Jeremy outted the leader as a sketch-ball?

[hairysoap]

lol so much drama. nerdlings need to get a fkn life.

[Aaron]

So all it took was a RnF thread for Bob to want to play ball? Or was it beacause Jeremy outted the leader as a sketch-ball?

A little of Column A.
A little of Column B.

[Tongpow]

lol

[Asap]

The real issue is that their guild name is too hard to spell.

And it is really long, filled with constantly alternating consanants & vowels.

I am in AG and I have friends in Doljonijiarnimolinar.

Well, a friend. Not a real friend. Just an EQ friend. Okay, more of an acquaintance. but we like talk and stuff using keyboards and purple text.

I might get on Snapchat with some of you guys.

In reference to, I guess, Hyjal sucking off Derubael's dick, I learned on Bill Nye the Science Guy that male snakes have 2 dicks. (Wait, I can say "sucking off Derubael's dick" in RnF, right?). Shit fuck, did I even spell Derubael's name right? One time he gave me an illusion form when I was streaming on twitch bc I told him I was streaming on twitch. that was cool. what he didn't know was that no one was watching me.

dwarves make the tiniest iksar skeletons. It was kind of disappointing.

Back to Derubael's 2 dicks. What is going on with the other dick? I mean iksars are snakes, right? Bc if I can skooch Hyjal over enough to fit in there and hook on up to it, I would really enjoy some me time, nawmsayin?

Anyhow, back to the point of the whole thing: Hyjal is a dick, and on a dick, and if he skooches over some I got dibs on Derubael's 2nd snake dick.

DIBS, BITCHES!

Fuck thread is over

[Detoxx]

Doljon is currently forcing THEIR playstyle on other guilds. I don't know why it's a complicated concept to recognize. Their playstyle involves leap frogging, contesting, competing, FTE'ing... sound familiar?

Rogaen, yourself, and other GMs banned EVERYONE from raiding because we couldn't beat them and we needed GM enforced raid rules to resolve that issue.


~Phiren

ftfy

[Lojik]

Sweet bet you got a nice big trophy for that.

[raitheon]

Old news. They're in the rotation now. Talks were had. butts were hurt.

[jarshale]

I really wish guides wouldn't post shitty image macros like a 12 year old from reddit.

Great thread though.

[Tiax]

perma ban acarer for creating tmo imo

[hatelore]

Old news. They're in the rotation now. Talks were had. butts were hurt.

Grouped with alot of bob's at king on my monk recently. Alot of fun was had, good group of peeps~ Glad to see them in rotations!

[quido]

Just an unfriendly reminder that Lord Bob is led by the sketchiest crew of thieving cheaters I've had the displeasure of knowing on blue!

[Splorf22]

i suppose this means red is even sketchier?

[quido]

Yes - I'm not as familiar with the truths of what happened as far as that sort of thing on red, but I'm pretty sure it's quite a bit worse overall.

[Nirgon]

When you're done with these clowns, let TMO have their play style back.

[radditsu]

Everyone is vaginas

[caleros]

Just an unfriendly reminder that Lord Bob is led by the sketchiest crew of thieving cheaters I've had the displeasure of knowing on blue!

Yeah ok

I have a few different things I wanted to announce today.

Recent Exploit
Recently we discovered an exploit that, if abused, could generate platinum. We restarted the servers the other day to patch it, and begun investigations into abusers. We found 3 people that have been abusing it for quite a while.

Exploiting a bug such as this is one of the worst forms of cheating, far worse than the use of third party programs. It has the potential of affecting the entire server in a negative way, and furthermore it breaks the trust and friendships you may have with other players as they now too are affected by your actions. The punishments for this are severe. All associated accounts, meaning any account this person logged into, will be receiving a form of disciplinary action regardless of owner.

There were only a handful of accounts that were used to perform the exploit, however, the exploiters have logged into 106 different accounts in total. Of these accounts, 86 of them are guilded in The Mystical Order. While most of these accounts are owned by other players who may have had no knowledge of the actions of the people they were sharing their accounts with, the account owners take that risk when they share their information.

We had a CSR Staff meeting last night to decide how to proceed, and we agreed on the following.

All accounts are initially receiving bans. Accounts that are owned by the persons actually performing the exploit will not be unbanned, neither will accounts that generally have no owner (Shared banks, porters, trackers, etc).

Accounts owned by others that were logged into by the exploiters a small number of times will be reviewed on a case by case basis, and could be reduced to a 2 to 4 week suspension. Only accounts logged into a small number of times will be given this reduction.

We also discussed any actions to take against the guild as a whole, taking into consideration other recent events such as another guild member recently banned for heavy RMT inolvement, and an officer recently suspended for ninja looting.

It is based on that information that we are raid suspending the guild for 2 weeks. We brought up the possibility of completely disbanding The Mystical Order. Personally, I find it hard to believe that TMO leadership was not aware or suspicious of this happening, however we are only able to take action on the information we have.

[quido]

2 people no longer in my guild who'd have been removed outright had we known.

You, on the other hand, embrace sketchiness, lies, and general shitbaggery. Everyone knows you're fucks and that's why you guys lied about being who you are.

[caleros]

2 people no longer in my guild who'd have been removed outright had we known.


bullshit

[hatelore]

Yeah ok

86 you say? wow that is a lot.

[quido]

We've always removed known cheaters, unlike other guilds who just powerlevel them back up when they're deleveled/banned. You really think we would purposely keep people like that around if we knew? It would have been instant-boot.

Acarer (Hyjal) was caught using Macroquest2 and was deleveled to 54 and immediately powerleveled back to 60.

Caleros, you're the only one I don't personally dislike, but it's easy to hate you for rolling with such a crew of scumfucks.

Hatelore has smoked himself retarded.

[quido]

What's even funnier is Acarer spent about 15 minutes playing dumb and lying about being who he was two days ago when I approached him in tells. He was all "who is this this Acarer guy? I'm not him" and couldn't even be honest for a minute.

At least wear your scumfuck badge with pride bro.

[caleros]

I don't believe its possible to be in a server dominating position where you capitalize on every boss for a year+ or whatever and not have corruption pop up. This game's got a big history of RMT, I remember seeing FBSS/GEBS on ebay for $150 like 13 years ago. So when I saw the TMO scandal I thought "well whatever, someone was bound to get popped eventually in a year no one will remember" I think it's 100% absolutely impossible for the entire guild to be oblivious to it but I think being a snitch is even worse.

You're referencing stuff that happened maybe 2+ years ago? I mean I remember the server back then friggin everyone was using MQ2 or SEQ or whatever. You're talking about a banning that hit nearly half the server. One of the main reasons i quit because i hate that haxquest shit. It ruined Progression, the main reason I came back and reason i can get my old friends to play is I tell them "this is no hax eq, gms arent stupid they will ban you"

I personally have never had a problem with you at all and I always hoped we'd become friends because I think you are funny and intelligent but you're sending tells to guildmembers trying to convince em we're scum is realllllllllly childish and weak, we joke about it in GC often and it is the only reason I'm responding to these posts because you need to be called out for doing something like that

[quido]

Caleros, would you please first acknowledge that Hyjal is Acarer?

No one knew about Froovy/Internode exploiting or Crazyeyes RMTing and I 100% guarantee you they'd have been instantly guildremoved if we had known. We keep it as clean as possible.

Half the server? 365 accounts, many of which belonged to the same people, is hardly half the server. Saying everyone was macroquesting is retarded. Obviously they weren't. I've never loaded a third party program and I never will, and justifying it when it was against the rules by saying "everyone" did is scummy as fuck.

I think your members deserve to know the history of your crew, and the fact that most of your leadership lied about your previous identities is indicative of your shitty reputations.

[hatelore]

We've always removed known cheaters, unlike other guilds who just powerlevel them back up when they're deleveled/banned. You really think we would purposely keep people like that around if we knew? It would have been instant-boot.

Acarer (Hyjal) was caught using Macroquest2 and was deleveled to 54 and immediately powerleveled back to 60.

Caleros, you're the only one I don't personally dislike, but it's easy to hate you for rolling with such a crew of scumfucks.

Hatelore has smoked himself retarded.

Good god, don't you know a troll when you see one? quit taking rnf so srs man!

[Thulack]

If there is a rotation on General in Kith Lord Bob wants no part......Thanks for the EoN and grats Spilling on Epic.

[Juevento]

Way to go Taken for being a bunch of douche's and stealing Lord Bob's General spawn.

Also fuck Taken for killing all the DEs in Kith. No fucking class as usual.

[Tasslehofp99]

Way to go Taken for being a bunch of douche's and stealing Lord Bob's General spawn.

Also fuck Taken for killing all the DEs in Kith. No fucking class as usual.

I guess what comes around goes around?

Their guild has leapfrogged or attempted to leapfrog other guilds, why should we feel bad that they're getting the same in return?

[Rhambuk]

Way to go Taken for being a bunch of douche's and stealing Lord Bob's General spawn.

Also fuck Taken for killing all the DEs in Kith. No fucking class as usual.

I guess what comes around goes around?

Their guild has leapfrogged or attempted to leapfrog other guilds, why should we feel bad that they're getting the same in return?

Justice is the sweetest candy.