Europa's Recent Conduct

[Striiker]

I wanted to share what happened recently concerning Europa and Taken. You can read more about the issue HERE (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106518&page=41)

Essentially, the various guilds on the server had all agreed upon a rotation for raiding in Sky. This is a pretty difficult thing to achieve as we all know that getting anyone to agree to anything can be a daunting task. The only other such agreement which I've seen was around the early Ragefire rotations. It avoided a lot of drama and benefited the server immensely.
Europa had at some point decided that they wanted to raid at a different time so they made a post to the thread linked above, requesting that others contact one of their leaders to make arrangements to share with them. They had a couple of responses but apparently they were not interested in the offered dates so they selected Taken's night and started raiding before Taken, thus preventing Taken from raiding. No effort was made to directly contact anyone in Taken's leadership to discuss this. Boilon made it clear that he has personal issues against reaching out and demanded that he be contacted. To be honest, the first thing I heard of this was a couple of hours before Taken's normal start time (at which point Europa was already on Island 5). Sorry, I don't read the Sky rotation thread much and to be honest, had I seen that post I would have assumed that they would have reached out to the guild which is currently scheduled to raid on the night of interest to them to work out something. It's what I would have done and what I think every other guild would have done.
Subsequent conversations with Europa's leadership has made it clear that they do not care about the agreed upon rotations and that they are within their right to do anything they please. While this is true, anyone on the server can do what they please as long as it's within server rules, most don't do it because to do so makes you look like an asshole. It's called being a good citizen / member of the server community.

So a guild's planned Sky raid night (Taken's) was stolen and 40+ people wound up spending time refreshing key corpses and making alternate plans because the leaders of another guild (Europa) were too what.. proud? ignorant? arrogant? Slimy? to take a few minutes to contact us to work things out. It's a dick move plain and simple.

Here are some excerpts from a PM sent to me by Boilon which illustrates his guild's opinion of the server's other guilds and around the efforts made by all guilds to work with each other on this point.. None of these are taken out of context..

I will not apologize for what I have did as we have done nothing wrong. I will say like I said previously, we gave guilds ample time to approach me to come to a calm resolution for Sky and nobody was willing to compromise or even Bothered to do so. Since when was your slot ever agreed upon? Did every guild on the server come to a round table and say Yes Taken can have Thursday? No you just took it because nobody else wanted it at the time grow up man.

I don't care how you feel about my method of notification for guilds but simply put why should I contact 10+ officers/guilds or whatever the case is when they only have to approach 1 of me? Why do the guilds that are already in the rotation feel like they are entitled to something?

I also do not like the way the other American guilds feel that they are entitled something just because they were the first people to pick it up, this is not sharing but ignorance and greed.

This should be eye opening for all on the server because it only takes one to knock things into disarray and ruin efforts made by others to create an enjoyable environment. Europa's attitude is hurtful to the server and you should all judge the guild and its members accordingly.

For those not familiar with Plane of Sky, it's a zone with special requirements to progress through and to raid. I'll leave it at that.

Lastly, this is not a RnF type thread so please keep insults in check. I felt that this was worth sharing to show Europa for what they are.

[quido]

Isn't this a Rant?

[Heebo]

In b4 rnf

[Lyra]

Isn't this a Rant?

Yes

And my response would be a rant also.

[Barkingturtle]

Isn't this a Rant?

More of a whine, imo.

[mrmop520]

It sucks the Sky rotation has become so cluttered. Speaking from the times when I was leading the FC sky raids and running into issues getting full keys (Noble cycle on your day means no island 2 clears), Fearstalker reached out to me and offered FC to clear 1-5 for keys on their thursday. This was an awesome gesture and I didn't even approach them asking for it. It's too bad Europa didn't discuss their desires to attempt 6-8 with Taken beforehand-I'm sure they would have been willing to work something out.

Honestly I see these actions as a direct result of IB stepping on FC's day and there being no consequences. There was no sky-rotation protection force to come save our day and ruin IB's (that we had for months prior) and therefore IB was able to start before we could. Even though Europa already had a sky time, Europa's actions mirrored IB's , they posted in the thread twice about their desires, then said fuck it and decided to clear.

[khanable]

lol

Taken complaining about other guilds doing mean things to them

well isn't that cute!

[Hastley]

Arguing over pixels on 15 year old elf simulator .

[Arteker]

/cheer .

finnaly some euro guild pissing some bollocks , i hope europa honor the very same guild in live pissed whole stormhammer server and later druzzil ro:p

[Striiker]

LOL. Well I got moved into RnF. So much for avoiding posting here.. Have fun with it folks!

[Tecmos Deception]

Lol. That first PM makes boil sound like a terrorist. "You had your chance to go out of your way to help me fix my problem, but you didn't so we are gonna fuck you"

[Tecmos Deception]

And he is talking about others being entitled, but also thinks people should approach him when his guild wants a change rather than him going to them. Lol.

[White Ranger]

When is europa scheduled next for sky? TMO could really use an additional sky raid to gear our recent applicants.

[SCB]

Why is this not in RnF?

[radditsu]

European guild ruining rotations and raid time.


Classic experience

[Arteker]

European guild ruining rotations and raid time.


Classic experience

and 100% aproved go go

[Lanuven]

I guess the real question is, what did yall do to piss off Europa? We seem to have a decent record with them on communicating what their plans are and changing ours accordingly. We usually know before our raid from someone in their guild if they cleared 1-5 or not.

[Swish]

European guild ruining rotations and raid time.


Classic experience

The best (and worst) day of my EQ life was when the Euro servers launched. Lost a ton of US/CA friends but could finally attend raids that started earlier than 1AM/2AM :D

Europa have certainly grown since I started playing on P99, but looks like Boilon went and smeared shit all over the guild's reputation. Can it be repaired? Not without a change in leadership I'd argue.

What's all the shit about him having "issues reaching out to other people?". Shit guild leader then, if you can't communicate.

[Jarnauga]

It's really in Europa's best interest to have a rotation and have a fixed day for their clears.

Believe me guys, if you wanna play first come, first serve, you're gonna lose, plain and simple.

[quido]

Jarnauga big tough french guy

[Morrissee]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boilon
I also do not like the way the other American guilds feel that they are entitled something just because they were the first people to pick it up, this is not sharing but ignorance and greed.

And there it is - your typical anti-American bigotry. I've experienced it IRL, although it is the exception when I visit Europe. Sad to see it on this server.

[Estolcles]

And there it is - your typical anti-American bigotry. I've experienced it IRL, although it is the exception when I visit Europe. Sad to see it on this server.

I'm American. I'm in the guild (Officer even). If there's any anti-American sentiment coming from the guild, it had to be triggered somehow.

[Nikon]

You also don't have to be European to join :P since I am not, I'm just crazy and enjoy playing EU time so that I have time to go out at night after raids are finished during my morning/afternoon ;)

Hating on 'American' guilds? Very interesting...

[sulpher01]

lol

Taken complaining about other guilds doing mean things to them

well isn't that cute!

Karma's a bitch eh taken?

[Nirgon]

Reading and responding to comments over pixels on 15 year old elf simulator .

[Arteker]

It's really in Europa's best interest to have a rotation and have a fixed day for their clears.

Believe me guys, if you wanna play first come, first serve, you're gonna lose, plain and simple.

only if they play like justice divine , if they play like live europa:p

go go europa

[Stinkum]

Europa is generally good people, but they've always been a mixed bag as far as the leadership. This goes back all the way to when that Uaellaen guy headed it (grade-A douche).

[Eccezan]

Europa is generally good people, but they've always been a mixed bag as far as the leadership. This goes back all the way to when that Uaellaen guy headed it (grade-A douche).

Back when I led Europa, we never had these character issues. My heart weeps.

[r00t]

And there it is - your typical anti-American bigotry. I've experienced it IRL, although it is the exception when I visit Europe. Sad to see it on this server.

I fucking HATE ALL euros

[Pico]

op make sure to print this out and save it in a bankers box labelled "memories of 2013" to look back on when youre older, i know i will

[coffin_aoe]

europa is good people... has to be a misunderstanding.

[JayN]

THIS IS SOME HOW TMOBAMA's FAULT h8h8h8h8

[Samoht]

europa is good people... has to be a misunderstanding.

here's the summary in case you didn't catch it:

there's a fixed schedule. europa has a time slot to do sky. they've been offered others (to which they never showed). instead of sticking to the schedule, they've decided to shit all over everybody else's time slots.

good people, indeed.

[sulpher01]

europa is good people... has to be a misunderstanding.

Boilin's pm's basically dispell that... but as both guild pull this kind of bullshit all the time, no one really has any pity.

[Arteker]

here's the summary in case you didn't catch it:

there's a fixed schedule. europa has a time slot to do sky. they've been offered others (to which they never showed). instead of sticking to the schedule, they've decided to shit all over everybody else's time slots.

good people, indeed.

schedule? can you show me where they agree to such schedule and when a GM enforced a schedule on this server?.

i remember famous words of a vessica dei member: u guys to slow we zoning and taking fear plane now.....


few mins later: fd monk: vessica wiped in the break of fear zone in .

[Cecily]

You guys know FTE rules apply in sky too right? If you have keys why don't you like.. compete?

[Stinkum]

schedule? can you show me where they agree to such schedule and when a GM enforced a schedule on this server?.

i remember famous words of a vessica dei member: u guys to slow we zoning and taking fear plane now.....


few mins later: fd monk: vessica wiped in the break of fear zone in .

http://i.imgur.com/0yMvjs3.png

[Samoht]

schedule? can you show me where they agree to such schedule and when a GM enforced a schedule on this server?.

i remember famous words of a vessica dei member: u guys to slow we zoning and taking fear plane now.....


few mins later: fd monk: vessica wiped in the break of fear zone in .

are you serious?

this wasn't that hard to find. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=988750&postcount=102)

and if you think there's too much ambiguity in that post, here's a confirmation. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1006756&postcount=164)

i bet you're the type to zone in, call a camp check, and then demand the people at the camp leave once you get there and see that it's taken. maybe they were too busy to reply and didn't notice?

[Arteker]

are you serious?

this wasn't that hard to find. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=988750&postcount=102)

and if you think there's too much ambiguity in that post, here's a confirmation. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1006756&postcount=164)

i bet you're the type to zone in, call a camp check, and then demand the people at the camp leave once you get there and see that it's taken. maybe they were too busy to reply and didn't notice?

nah im the silent one who move in sit in the place watch it for 30 mins , and see only empty place, then do a ooc and it become camped by someone havent show in last 30 min:D

[Arteker]

are you serious?

this wasn't that hard to find. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=988750&postcount=102)

and if you think there's too much ambiguity in that post, here's a confirmation. (http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=1006756&postcount=164)

i bet you're the type to zone in, call a camp check, and then demand the people at the camp leave once you get there and see that it's taken. maybe they were too busy to reply and didn't notice?

and thank you for the link i forgot, in that u rigth i give u the point.

[Flamewraith]

I don't get why the OP is getting so much hate here when it is obviously boilon, who through these PMs has been proven to be a hypocritical cunt. I personally recommend an eye for an eye, beat them to sky..... Take their day for your own AND continue to hold yours.

[Nuggie]

And that's probably one of the reasons VD fell apart.

Dick move. Plain and simple.

[Agatha]

this posts reminds me why i play pvp servers, noones taking my shit, and infact i might just take your shit.

[Soandso]

this posts reminds me why i play pvp servers, noones taking my shit, because there is nobody else to take my shit.

Fixed

[Bazia]

Fingerling <Taken> (level 18 epic rogue) was ksing my derv camp group in WC of all lowbies then when I called him a faggot for fucking with an already broken camp held by lowbies he threatened to bring a 60 to continue to KS even easier

fuck taken imo pras europa

[trinkets]

A full Europa group with an officer (hallyguk) also KS'd a fungi king recently! Very classy to wait for someone to spawn king then intercept their pull and take loot when the server is messed up and GMs can't check logs.

Their response was "We'll let the GMs sort it out." And since that was not possible they got a stolen fungi, nice one guys!

I used to think Europa was a good group.

[Bazia]

taken are ksing fags, glad europa stickin it back

[Eliseus]

Boilon is American you moron

Lol, apparently Americans can't be Anti-American bigots? You would be surprised how many Americans I have met that are Anti-American bigots that really have no idea what they know.

[MaksimMazor]

Your sky day was...TAKEN

[rafaone]

I fucking HATE ALL euros

I fucking HATE all morons like you =^)

[quido]

*morans

[pharmakos]

lol jeremy yur dum

[pharmakos]

jermy u shud be smart like rellapse

[teija]

This guild seems to have a lot of " I dont care if im a douchebag im not breaking the rules" type people. Met a few on seafurry's root parking 8+ mobs at 100% and they told to to go fuck myself when i asked them nicely to down 1-4 mobs at a time.

[pharmakos]

i don't think you're allowed to root park like that...

[teija]

i don't think you're allowed to root park like that...

Please provide link to where u found this rule i would like to share it with others.

[starguitar33]

here's the summary in case you didn't catch it:

there's a fixed schedule. europa has a time slot to do sky. they've been offered others (to which they never showed). instead of sticking to the schedule, they've decided to shit all over everybody else's time slots.

good people, indeed.