TMO resort to hacking in VP

[jkfranklin]

It's not spinning faggot, it's the truth. Anyone with an IP exemption has known about it and does it. It's actually one of the reasons to "my girlfriend likes to play EQ".

Your lack of P99 knowledge doesn't always mean someone else is spinning, it means you don't know what the fuck you're talking about 90% of the time.

meatspin.com

[Autotune]

While this may be common knowledge in TMO ( a guild full of known exploiters)

I can assure you that the majority of other guilds members neither have IP exemptions or knew about this exploit before today.

Come down from your cloud you frother.

I'm sorry, it was common knowledge when i played with people that weren't completely clueless to the game they commented on.

I'm guessing because you were never a raider or anyone that actually played P99, you know nothing of what you talk about, other than what you've read and can search for on the forums.

[Daldolma]

What? I'm sitting here unable to watch the fraps while my perscription filled
Simply asking questions.

He takes advantage of a server mechanic in order to gain personal benefit. He is clearly exploiting his IP exemption. On Live, you couldn't insta-poof to avoid a death. Even on P99, you can't do it without an exemption. There doesn't need to be an explicit GM statement on the subject to identify it as an exploit.

[47shadesofgay]

I'm sorry, it was common knowledge when i played with people that weren't completely clueless to the game they commented on.

I'm guessing because you were never a raider or anyone that actually played P99, you know nothing of what you talk about, other than what you've read and can search for on the forums.

I wish I could have raided p99 like you. Sitting on dragons spawnpoints for 10 hours and getting trained in VP for 8hours looks so gratifying and fulfilling.

How will my life go on..

[Autotune]

Is this why everyone in TMO is aware of it? I bet you guys have an informative post on your forums telling people to apply for IP exemptions so they can switch to their alts faster.

LOL.

(fountree, agreed dude, those fuckers, and the tmo who originally did it on talendor all deserve to be banned)

Most people in TMO are aware of it? I wouldn't know, I don't know most people in TMO.

Most people who played the game for any amount of time with someone who has an IP exemption know about things like this tho.

[bizzum]

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY USING COMIC SANS AS YOU IN GAME FONT

[Rusl]

I'd be more concerned about wiping to Xygoz, the biggest pushover in VP, than a cleric with highspeed internet and a IP exemption. Just my 2cp

[47shadesofgay]

I'd be more concerned about wiping to Xygoz, the biggest pushover in VP, than a cleric with highspeed internet and a IP exemption. Just my 2cp

How FE got 2 clean engages and wiped to Xygoz.. that is indeed a little concerning. I mean.. it's Xygoz...

[Autotune]

I wish I could have raided p99 like you. Sitting on dragons spawnpoints for 10 hours and getting trained in VP for 8hours looks so gratifying and fulfilling.

How will my life go on..

It will go on sitting on p99 forums for 10hrs talking about how others play the game for 8hrs.

Your life is much more gratifying, it's like Alarti's life without actually logging in every once in a blue moon.

[jkfranklin]

Most people in TMO are aware of it? I wouldn't know, I don't know most people in TMO.

Most people who played the game for any amount of time with someone who has an IP exemption know about things like this tho.

so abusing ip exceptions is ok now as well.


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CABNT STTOPPPP SPINNINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

[Bardalicious]

THIS EQEMU ONLY EXPLOIT THAT NEVER EXISTED ON LIVE IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE!!!!!

.... among the pixel-addicted raiders circlejerk, I'd imagine. No different than mq insta camp pal, and last time I checked, that was a ban-worthy offense.

[getsome]

This was after you left for EQmac and it was with memblur, reason why VD is infront of TR in VD/TR. It was some of your members (or VDs using your tagged characters).

Memblur what a terrible exploit. Where did folks ever learn to do that.

Long Live Qadosx!

[Sat Dec 31 15:03:21 2011] Qadosx regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sat Dec 31 15:03:21 2011] Talendor blinks a few times.

[47shadesofgay]

It will go on sitting on p99 forums for 10hrs talking about how others play the game for 8hrs.

Your life is much more gratifying, it's like Alarti's life without actually logging in every once in a blue moon.

You have 2100 some odd posts, not counting your time RnF'ing for 4 years now?


Umm....

[Fountree]

Heh was makin a joke about the memblur bans 47shades but internet sarcasm is hard sometimes lol :( Thx for the agreement tho! I like ppl who agree with me <3

[47shadesofgay]

Heh was makin a joke about the memblur bans 47shades but internet sarcasm is hard sometimes lol :( Thx for the agreement tho! I like ppl who agree with me <3

Why joke about it? People were abusing an exploit, and they deserve to be banned. That's what this server is lacking!

[Autotune]

Memblur what a terrible exploit. Where did folks ever learn to do that.

Long Live Qadosx!

[Sat Dec 31 15:03:21 2011] Qadosx regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sat Dec 31 15:03:21 2011] Talendor blinks a few times.

it was known from a Fay engage before Talendor, I'm sure you know this tho.

[Autotune]

You have 2100 some odd posts, not counting your time RnF'ing for 4 years now?


Umm....

You have too many Troll accounts for me to look up and see just how many per day posts you make.

[jkfranklin]

it was known from a Fay engage before Talendor, I'm sure you know this tho.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m9ste7OBVx1qfqzy6o1_500.gif
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[bizzum]

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY USING COMIC SANS AS YOU IN GAME FONT

I seriously need an answer to this.

[AenarieFenninRo]

We still managed a second attempt, but it made it really harder since Aiaus was Cheating and stalling us.

I'm not sure I understand, how is it that your training of Aiaus is him stalling you?

Sounds like spin to me!

[47shadesofgay]

You have too many Troll accounts for me to look up and see just how many per day posts you make.

Or you're just fucking dumb/lazy like most people from your state. I have 3, similarly named and easy to keep track of.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006896 - 320
http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006910 - 1
http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006916 - 196

Total: 517
Joined 1/10/13

Jan 10th - Today = 70days
517/70 = 7.4 rounded up.

Uneducated asshole fail.

[falkun]

I'm not sure I understand, how is it that your training of Aiaus is him stalling you?

Sounds like spin to me!
Sounds like you still think Aiaus might have been DA...

[jkfranklin]

Or you're just fucking dumb/lazy like most people from your state. I have 3, similarly named and easy to keep track of.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006896 - 320
http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006910 - 1
http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006916 - 196

Total: 517
Joined 1/10/13

Jan 10th - Today = 70days
517/70 = 7.4 rounded up.

Uneducated asshole fail.

fail

[Autotune]

Or you're just fucking dumb/lazy like most people from your state. I have 3, similarly named and easy to keep track of.

http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006896 - 320
http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006910 - 1
http://www.project1999.org/forums/search.php?searchid=2006916 - 196

Total: 517
Joined 1/10/13

Jan 10th - Today = 70days
517/70 = 7.4 rounded up.

Uneducated asshole fail.

No, you have more.

[47shadesofgay]

Since 02/25/2013 you have 500 Autotune.

Feb 25th- today = 24 days
500/24 = 20.8

Derp.

[47shadesofgay]

AAANYWAY... quit deflecting/spinning.

Faggot exploiter, was a member of exploit guild, now posts on forums for game he doesn't play.

QQ

[Autotune]

fail

Also, it was known from a fay pull/engage by IB/TR's own members admittance (even posted somewhere here in RnF). They just like using Qados/x & Talendor because it was infront of everyone and it's more well known.

[Rusl]

Well Qadosx was the first to use it as a grief tactic, our enchanter just did it fucking around to our own mob, was quite hilariius

[Autotune]

Well Qadosx was the first to use it as a grief tactic, our enchanter just did it fucking around to our own mob, was quite hilariius

I remember him doing it to KS the kill and not heal it. Either way, grief tactic yes.

[Godefroi]

I'm not sure I understand, how is it that your training of Aiaus is him stalling you?

Sounds like spin to me!

wash your opponents away from ledge, including clerics, or they rez trainers, get the picture lol ?

It's easy to rez anyone on ledge, if you can just disappear instantly as soon as someone trains you.

He basically logged in, stayed on 10seconds to 1 Min, basically disappearing instantly as soon as mobs were near him, sometimes managing to rez , sometimes not. Yet we still have to leave mobs on the people he rezzed.

We still do not have 1000 keyed folks, so our trainers=less dps on the target.

Yw

[Frieza_Prexus]

As an aside, I concur with Elethia that IP exemptions are too easy to get, and that their usefulness in plugging should be removed. As far as being a suspension worthy offense currently, I can clearly see the argument, but there is a LOT of precedence with it being tolerated, so I am not sure on the fairest way to make he forward. There is also an enforcement issue of until proper coding can tale place to police it.

[Autotune]

AAANYWAY... quit deflecting/spinning.

Faggot exploiter, was a member of exploit guild, now posts on forums for game he doesn't play.

QQ

I've not deflected or spun anything, you're just fucking stupid and crying because I made fun of you on the forums you troll on.

Faggot troller, was never a member of any guild and just posts on forums for a game he/she never really played. (actually just wants to be like tiggles and stealin p99 forum celeb, but really just comes off as a bad Alarti).

[jkfranklin]

I've not deflected or spun anything, you're just fucking stupid and crying because I made fun of you on the forums you troll on.

Faggot troller, was never a member of any guild and just posts on forums for a game he/she never really played. (actually just wants to be like tiggles and stealin p99 forum celeb, but really just comes off as a bad Alarti).

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[Lorraine]

Memblur what a terrible exploit. Where did folks ever learn to do that.

Long Live Qadosx!

[Sat Dec 31 15:03:21 2011] Qadosx regains concentration and continues casting.
[Sat Dec 31 15:03:21 2011] Talendor blinks a few times.


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Why not? VD/TR used a much worse exploit continually under the guise of "well until a staff member tells us it's not okay..."

And they had officers, raid leaders and the guild leader backing that.


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Unlike some "Lannisters" around these lands, we returned the "favor". Ten-fold. GM sanctioned made it all sweeter (+Fountree amusing raging hate tells).
Remember the Golden Rule aka don't be a fucking dbag - Which a lot of TMO were/are and arguably will be.

[OMGWTF420]

lol

[falkun]

I don't condone "two wrongs to make a right". VD shouldn't have mem blurred. But here we have an instance of someone exploiting server mechanics for raid benefit. If this practice isn't stopped, I feel sorry for the poor soul that's going to have to go through all the IP exemptions that will soon be submitted.

[Versus]

ITT: TMO does something that is/should have been widely known and not an exploit, 15 page thread

ITT: FE sends an illegal eye to zone in for COTH, trolls dismiss and continue bashing heads into wall crying wolf.

[Tanthallas]

ITT: TMO does something that is/should have been widely known and not an exploit, 15 page thread

ITT: FE sends an illegal eye to zone in for COTH, trolls dismiss and continue bashing heads into wall crying wolf.

Petition it then dumbshit?

Never CoTHed anyone with an eye in VP, sorry. Darkdeath likes to put eyes through the wall to train, however.

[Ele]

Petition it then dumbshit?

Never CoTHed anyone with an eye in VP, sorry. Darkdeath likes to put eyes through the wall to train, however.

Eyes can't coth silly.

[BigLe2e]

I too would like to understand the server-staff stance on this issue. Has this been reported?

Also, what is TMO's official stance on it? The only member of TMO leadership to post in regards to it seems to think it is ok for everyone to use this tactic since it is a KNOWN exploit.

I think any guild competing with FE needs to know if this is acceptable behavior so that they too can use these tactics without fear or repercussion if the server staff is okay with it.

Wasnt tmo trying to get FE/divinity members banned for a KNOWN EXPLOIT with the whole locket of escape dropping when its not supposed to. Hypocrites if you ask me!

[Versus]

Petition it then dumbshit?

Never CoTHed anyone with an eye in VP, sorry. Darkdeath likes to put eyes through the wall to train, however.

Not going to petition it, I'm not a cry-baby bitch. Just throwing it out there that you people aren't the angels you make yourselves out to be.

[falkun]

You have a screenshot of an eyeball at zone-in. As I said a while ago: post them exploiting it and that its not accidental. It happens all the time accidently to me in Seb chef while I'm pullling, I click off the eyeball buff and its fixed, no harm done. All you've proven is this bug still exists, not that FE exploited it. In the mean time, FE has proven TMO is knowingly exploiting a known server-specific bug.

[falkun]

And TMO doesn't condone cheating or exploiting. You remove members that are confirmed exploiting.

[Versus]

I've got a bridge to sell you.

[Tobius]

Look, I'm the first person in line to bust TMO's balls but this has been in game forrrrrrever and it's been exploited forrrrrrrever /sandlot

I'd bet that most people in raid guilds have IP exemptions. In a race where seconds matter having the ability to /q a character, tab over to the next character waiting at the character select and enter world is huge. Crying foul over this after its been abused non stop by FE members as well (but not necessarily by DA training in VP) is kind of ridiculous.

Actually I clarified this a long time ago, You don't need IP exemption to have a char waiting on character select.

So if a single top-enders are asking for IP exemptions they are probably doing it with intention to cheat.

[Chloroform]

Wheres option, a group of tmo almost killed him 3 times durring a GM pvp event in the arean. but he /q'd 3 times to escape death.

say what u want. but i saw it with my own two eyes and so did a bunch of tmo. If Option wants to come out and say it never happened, then hes a fucking pathological psychopath.

lots of members of p99 are guilty of this! dont deny it!

[Fael]

Option did the /q IP exemption thing 3 or 4 times during the last GM event with Alovia.

I've personally seen their clerics DA /q with VP mobs on them to get away from a train up on the picture room ledge many times.

The mechanism is well known, it needs fixed, but its sad that FE is trying to pretend they don't have people doing it ALL THE TIME. This crap, as lame as it is, is not by definition a hack. No more than bard hide/sneak/invis, invis pulling, etc.

Im sorry you woke up at 3 am and spent hours trying to kill pixels and came up empty handed. But lets not mistake this for anything more than cry baby temper tantrum bs.

Dolic

[47shadesofgay]

I've not deflected or spun anything, you're just fucking stupid and crying because I made fun of you on the forums you troll on.

Faggot troller, was never a member of any guild and just posts on forums for a game he/she never really played. (actually just wants to be like tiggles and stealin p99 forum celeb, but really just comes off as a bad Alarti).

[Yajirobe Yajipants]

So many TMO tears. You guys should fill your super spin washing machine with those tears to do laundry. Might remove the food stains from your clothes for enhanced chances at PoFish encounters.

[Chloroform]

So many TMO tears. You guys should fill your super spin washing machine with those tears to do laundry. Might remove the food stains from your clothes for enhanced chances at PoFish encounters.

lol whats bda been up too? besides nothing!

[jkfranklin]

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[falkun]

DA /q and insta-disappear-/q are different. Your avatar stays in the game longer when you have aggro when you /q than when you do not. By insta-disappearing, you circumvent the extra time your avatar is supposed to remain in the game world.

[Chloroform]

DA /q and insta-disappear-/q are different. Your avatar stays in the game longer when you have aggro when you /q than when you do not. By insta-disappearing, you circumvent the extra time your avatar is supposed to remain in the game world.


LOL did it take u rocket appliances to put that one together?

[Fael]

Sorry for the confusion. It should be understood that any reference to DA /q here includes using the IP exempt to get out in seconds.

I have seen their clerics do it all the time in our little VP battles.

Dolic

[BigLe2e]

So after reading this thread, I convinced my mom to start playing P99 with me. We need an IP exemption, where do I sign up for this?

[47shadesofgay]

Wasnt tmo trying to get FE/divinity members banned for a KNOWN EXPLOIT with the whole locket of escape dropping when its not supposed to. Hypocrites if you ask me!

Agreed.

Ban 'em all! Stop holding their hands.

[Autotune]

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Yes, so hard to log into a tracker account of TMOs these days.

[47shadesofgay]

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[Autotune]

Yes, so hard to log into a tracker account of TMOs these days.

Oh, nvm, that picture is from years ago. I'm sure it proves you play, excuse me for being so quick to judge that it was from a tracker account.

[BigLe2e]

So after reading this thread, I convinced my mom to start playing P99 with me. We need an IP exemption, where do I sign up for this?

Oh yeah, heres proof shes a gamer, this is me and her playing the other P99( playstation99) http://dyg4o34c9df9o.cloudfront.net/DATA/images/a854db612afb4bf33459d06492449cb5-youthful-yellow-childhood-small-kid-fit_400_400.jpg

[47shadesofgay]

Oh, nvm, that picture is from years ago. I'm sure it proves you play, excuse me for being so quick to judge that it was from a tracker account.

You've won this round detective-asshat.

You're senses are too acute for me to slide one by you. Darn!

[47shadesofgay]

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[OMGWTF420]

i wonder how many 'gfs' actually play p99

[Autotune]

i wonder how many 'gfs' actually play p99

zero, hands don't count as human beings

[BigLe2e]

i wonder how many 'gfs' actually play p99

About as many that live with AlaTARDi

[Chloroform]

still waiting for option to give us his opinion on the matter!

WRU option!

[Autotune]

still waiting for option to give us his opinion on the matter!

WRU option!

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[feanan]

lol whats bda been up too? besides nothing!

Hmm, better to be up to nothing, or be a bunch of known cheating poopsockers?

[Chloroform]

lol!

[uygi]

If someone in TMO did this they would b LFG(Looking For Guild)

Per Rogean from this post - http://www.project1999.org/forums/showpost.php?p=614444&postcount=2
Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.

Seems straight forward enough to me :)

[guild] cheats... therefore cheater. How is this hard? Instead of gkicking your cheaters like TMO does... you defend them. Conclusion: [guild] harbors cheaters.

[Drob]

deflect harder

[jkfranklin]

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[Bardalicious]

ITT: TMO does something that is/should have been widely known and not an exploit, 15 page thread

So, because of the fact that this exploit is "widely known", it should be acceptable to use? Phisting, you're smarter than this.

It's also widely known that you can alter a few bytes of the eqgame.exe process to teleport anywhere in the zone, to instant gate, instant camp, etc etc. These practices are illegal and result in bans because they are game-breaking advantages. How it is that you folks are trying to spin the fact that INSTANT CAMPING via IP exemption exploits is not on the same caliber is absurd. Just because you're using a loophole to do the exact same thing that macroquest did does not absolve you from the fact that it is on par with HACKING THE GAME.

[getsome]

Who cares about option. Post a Fraps or a good decent Ss or logs. Or stfu.

http://imageshack.us/a/img11/1583/eq000011copy.png

[quido]

myuharin take it back jerk or im posting my video demonstrating how retarded you are

[Eccezan]

Didn't read this thread, too many ignored racist Forceful Entry members posting for it to be a good read, but my favorite part was when the racists in FE decided they wanted to CR for 8 hours for no loot, and then feign'd outrage about mechanics that they abuse as much, or more. You have gained skill in Forumquest.

[Ele]

myuharin take it back jerk or im posting my video demonstrating how retarded you are

That won't be necessary.

[jkfranklin]

Didn't read this thread, too many ignored racist Forceful Entry members posting for it to be a good read, but my favorite part was when the racists in FE decided they wanted to CR for 8 hours for no loot, and then feign'd outrage about mechanics that they abuse as much, or more. You have gained skill in Forumquest.

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beaner faggot

[MaksimMazor]

Grats on two Xygoz attempts

[DrukNecro]

Since this requires 2 accounts, doesn't it also require 2-boxing?

I thought 2-boxers got banned here.

[Eccezan]

Didn't read this thread, too many ignored racist Forceful Entry members posting for it to be a good read, but my favorite part was when the racists in FE decided they wanted to CR for 8 hours for no loot, and then feign'd outrage about mechanics that they abuse as much, or more. You have gained skill in Forumquest.

I did watch the video tho, and its funny that all angry racists sound the same.

[getsome]

I did watch the video tho, and its funny that all angry racists sound the same.

Sounds like a racist observation

[Ele]

Since this requires 2 accounts, doesn't it also require 2-boxing?

I thought 2-boxers got banned here.

It isn't 2-boxing.

[getsome]

It isn't 2-boxing, It's exploiting.

[Zereh]

IT doesn't require two accounts, it just requires two computers and one account with an IP exemption. Play EQ on PC1, have PC2 locked and loaded @ character select ~ /q out on PC1 and hit enter on PC2.

[kenzar]

IT doesn't require two accounts, it just requires two computers and one account with an IP exemption. Play EQ on PC1, have PC2 locked and loaded @ character select ~ /q out on PC1 and hit enter on PC2.
That would be 2 clients for 1 person. Which as far as i know is not allowed when applying for an ip exemption.

[jkfranklin]

That would be 2 clients for 1 person. Which as far as i know is not allowed when applying for an ip exemption.

yeah who's the mysterious person that needed the exemption?

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[Ele]

That would be 2 clients for 1 person. Which as far as i know is not allowed when applying for an ip exemption.

[BigSlip]

lol u guys just now finding this out

[Ele]

yeah who's the mysterious person that needed the exemption?

meatspin.gif

Never had a LAN party?

[Lazortag]

I just came out of knee surgery so forgive me not reading the whole thread. It seems Aiaus is simply using his IP exemption to log out faster. Is there an authoritative statement by the server staff prohibiting such actions, if so where?

I've *only* read the first 24 pages of this thread, but I know for a fact that people on red have had their IP exemptions removed from abusing this (I don't know if anyone has ever been suspended). It only takes a bit of common sense to see that this is clearly exploitative. If being able to instantly log out of the game when you have aggro was a feature of classic eq, it would have been like 100 times easier!

[Ele]

lol u guys just now finding this out

No, everyone in here just found an opportunity to bring it out in the open.

[jkfranklin]

lol a lan party for fucking everquest.

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[Autotune]

Time to ignore the excessive gif poster who can't express himself with words.

[jkfranklin]

Time to ignore the excessive gif poster who can't express himself with words.

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[Szeth1]

Time to ignore the excessive gif poster who can't express himself with words.

Holy shit it's like a whole new world.

[BigSlip]

blue shit is hilarious





pussies to the bone, woah

[jkfranklin]

Ban this tard

after you bro,

oh wait.
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[Zereh]

That would be 2 clients for 1 person. Which as far as i know is not allowed when applying for an ip exemption.

You're over-analyzing. EQ doesn't check on the account status (actively being played/inactive) until you click "Enter World" button on the character select screen.

[quido]

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[kenzar]

You're over-analyzing. EQ doesn't check on the account status (actively being played/inactive) until you click "Enter World" button on the character select screen.

Over-analyzing is continuing a thought process now? What you described was having an IP exemption when there is only one person playing off your connection. What you described also entails having 2 clients/1person, both points are explicitly not allowed. IP exemptions are for people with multiple players on the same connection, not so you can instant camp on a whim.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Over-analyzing is continuing a thought process now? What you described was having an IP exemption when there is only one person playing off your connection. What you described also entails having 2 clients/1person, both points are explicitly not allowed. IP exemptions are for people with multiple players on the same connection, not so you can instant camp on a whim.

Sirken specifically ok'd waiting with one char at select while playing the other. However, I am similarly curious as to the legality of using exemptions to quickly switch for any reason which is an extremely common occurance.

[Enygma]

Sussy forgot to mention he has been using eye of zomm hack to coth his noob guildies from zone in.

[Tanthallas]

Sussy forgot to mention he has been using eye of zomm hack to coth his noob guildies from zone in.

Probably because he never did.

[finalgrunt]

Sirken specifically ok'd waiting with one char at select while playing the other. However, I am similarly curious as to the legality of using exemptions to quickly switch for any reason which is an extremely common occurance.

Some people were suspended for abusing pathing. And you're here wondering if losing aggro instantly by abusing a /q and IP exemption is legal? Seriously?

[Ele]

Probably because he never did.

If you say so captain.

[falkun]

I'd hope Sussy didn't. That's been a known bug for a while. Why don't you provide your evidence in a petition Sworen? You'll get better results than the forum propaganda you seek here. Here, we'll just ask for evidence, like your buddy Alarti does.

[maverixdamighty]

Sussy forgot to mention he has been using eye of zomm hack to coth his noob guildies from zone in.

this is why sworen will never make detective :(

[Godefroi]

I've *only* read the first 24 pages of this thread, but I know for a fact that people on red have had their IP exemptions removed from abusing this (I don't know if anyone has ever been suspended). It only takes a bit of common sense to see that this is clearly exploitative. If being able to instantly log out of the game when you have aggro was a feature of classic eq, it would have been like 100 times easier!

[finalgrunt]

I mean some people insist to focus on the fast switching feature. While it's being used to just drop aggro. And this is not an exploit? What are we playing here? Even in WoW you can't do that so easily.

[47shadesofgay]

I'd hope Sussy didn't. That's been a known bug for a while. Why don't you provide your evidence in a petition Sworen? You'll get better results than the forum propaganda you seek here. Here, we'll just ask for evidence, like your buddy Alarti does.

If you're not going petition, then at least "prove it" so I have something to watch.. post the fraps.

Entertain me, you monkeys.

[Zereh]

Over-analyzing is continuing a thought process now? What you described was having an IP exemption when there is only one person playing off your connection. What you described also entails having 2 clients/1person, both points are explicitly not allowed. IP exemptions are for people with multiple players on the same connection, not so you can instant camp on a whim.

Logging into a server account (username/password) =/= a character entering the world. EQ doesn't give two fucks about which characters are ACTIVE or not until you try to enter the game from the character select screen.

[maverixdamighty]

I'd hope Sussy didn't. That's been a known bug for a while. Why don't you provide your evidence in a petition Sworen? You'll get better results than the forum propaganda you seek here. Here, we'll just ask for evidence, like your buddy Alarti does.

we always have a rog go to zone in to do the invites it's a blatant lie. that's why they only have a shitty screenshot that shows nothing.

[quido]

Just because we choose not to make a big deal over something doesn't mean we can't truthfully call someone out on it! Sussy was definitely abusing eye

[Godefroi]

Sworen deflecting and being a whiny bitch as usual.

He says all day "move along" at work to pedestrians, not really surprised he does it here to deflect from his guild blatantly caught red handed cheating 'cause getting owned.

[kenzar]

Logging into a server account (username/password) =/= a character entering the world. EQ doesn't give two fucks about which characters are ACTIVE or not until you try to enter the game from the character select screen.

No one is arguing that point Zereh. I'm merely saying that the exempt status was gained through unscrupulous means, and should be taken away. Is it better when I don't leave any logical jumps for you to make on your own?

[47shadesofgay]

Just because we choose not to make a big deal over something doesn't mean we can't truthfully call someone out on it! Sussy was definitely abusing eye

Prove it. Where is the Fraps?

[quido]

No I'm sure she was just trying to pull some shit!!

[Godefroi]

Logging into a server account (username/password) =/= a character entering the world. EQ doesn't give two fucks about which characters are ACTIVE or not until you try to enter the game from the character select screen.

Your guildie was caught cheating. It's on fraps. Why are you even defending him bitch lol

[quido]

That's not a very nice way to talk to a lady, Visceral.

[getsome]

Sussy forgot to mention he has been using eye of zomm hack to coth his noob guildies from zone in.

I would like to introduce my friend Sworen. He is best known for Ninja looting a ragefire corpse of no drop items. He also likes to cry how he was not the first level 60 warrior on the server and how he got beat by Wonton.

Sworen confirmed first 60 legit warrior. Wonton was deleveled along with other IB/TR cheaters to 54. He was also played by multiple people during the leveling race.

Please update and give server broadcast to acknowledge same thx <3.

During his non eq time he enjoys slapping bitches and writing the occasional speeding ticket.

[Godefroi]

No I'm sure she was just trying to pull some shit!!

where is your fraps bro ?

where are the proofs ?

Where are the proofs of FE going david copperfield on the ledge too ?

Lol keeping spinning like the dumb fuck that you are :D

[Frieza_Prexus]

Some people were suspended for abusing pathing. And you're here wondering if losing aggro instantly by abusing a /q and IP exemption is legal? Seriously?

No. To clarify, I'm asking about every other situation. Say, trak pops while you are doing something else, would /q'ing to transfer in seconds be culpable? Its a related inquiry.

[Zereh]

No one is arguing that point Zereh. I'm merely saying that the exempt status was gained through unscrupulous means, and should be taken away. Is it better when I don't leave any logical jumps for you to make on your own?

You're assuming. Just because it's being used "creatively" now doesn't mean it was gained unscrupulously.

[Godefroi]

No. To clarify, I'm asking about every other situation. Say, trak pops while you are doing something else, would /q'ing to transfer in seconds be culpable? Its a related inquiry.

It would still be lame since people without exemption have to wait for their character to leave world to switch chars, hence clearly giving you an advatange for mobilization.

However, in this case, it was used to avoid death, 25 times.

Everquest would be a very easy game if you could just instantly disappear and come back when ever you face certain death.

This is what your guildie has done, it's called cheating.

[quido]

This dumbfuck stopped you from killing Xygoz today for hours. And I didn't even use drugs.

[47shadesofgay]

No. To clarify, I'm asking about every other situation. Say, trak pops while you are doing something else, would /q'ing to transfer in seconds be culpable? Its a related inquiry.

I'm no professional rule-laywer or server GM, but I would say that "exploiting" any known mechanic that is not functioning properly for any sort of gain (dropping agro, faster account switching, any-other-fucking-thing-it-wasnt-intended-for) is something that the individual using said exploit should be culpable for.

Wish the GMs would chime in and give their thoughts on the matter.

[finalgrunt]

So, what's next? Anybody can attempt a pull and if it fails /q & fast log another character. Repeat until you get your single pull of whatever you're after? How dare you say it's not an exploit? Because few people knew about it (must have not been widespread, because many old players discovered this thing today with the fraps) it's suddenly ok... Who are you all kidding here, beside yourself? :(

[47shadesofgay]

You're assuming. Just because it's being used "creatively" now doesn't mean it was gained unscrupulously.

Being used "creatively"?


Holy shit, you people are insane..

Why can't you face facts?

[Godefroi]

This dumbfuck stopped you from killing Xygoz today for hours. And I didn't even use drugs.

You noobed a quite impressive amount of times today, I've lost count of your deaths :D

You can thank your cheating friend for rezzing you, I don't even understand how you can brag about what you've done today, it's stained by cheat.

But ehhh, I'm talking to someone who got caught 2 boxing anyways lol

[Frieza_Prexus]

So, what's next? Anybody can attempt a pull and if it fails /q & fast log another character. Repeat until you get your single pull of whatever you're after? How dare you say it's not an exploit? Because few people knew about it (must have not been widespread, because many old players discovered this thing today with the fraps) it's suddenly ok... Who are you all kidding here, beside yourself? :(

Please do not put words in my mouth. I have only participated in this thread a limited matter, and I specifically noted that I did not condemn or condone any actions.

[47shadesofgay]

I've made an attempt to clear confusion in regards to what is happening here, since people do not understand common English, and rather than accepting that what someone did is "wrong", and is defined as "exploiting" they instead argue semantics, use weasel words, and completely re-label things as "creative"

This is a definition of an English word. It pretty clearly applies to this situation.

Feel free to argue about whatever else you wish.. but one thing is a fact.. it is "exploiting".

[Godefroi]

Please do not put words in my mouth. I have only participated in this thread a limited matter, and I specifically noted that I did not condemn or condone any actions.

The fact that even with the evidences provided you cannot condone your guild mate on this blatant case of cheating just shows how biaised your opinion is.

[getsome]

No. To clarify, I'm asking about every other situation. Say, trak pops while you are doing something else, would /q'ing to transfer in seconds be culpable? Its a related inquiry.

you are not this dumb, stop playing the schmuck.

You do not need someone to hold your hand and walk you through ever possible iteration of what could possible be an exploit.

Ignorance is not a valid defense in this case.

[Funkutron5000]

I've made an attempt to clear confusion in regards to what is happening here, since people do not understand common English, and rather than accepting that what someone did is "wrong", and is defined as "exploiting" they instead argue semantics, use weasel words, and completely re-label things as "creative"

This is a definition of an English word. It pretty clearly applies to this situation.

Feel free to argue about whatever else you wish.. but one thing is a fact.. it is "exploiting".

I like you, Shades. You clearly respect the rules/ honest playing and also have respect for UM Ann Arbor. An upstanding poster, this one!

[47shadesofgay]

That dictionary I sourced is retarded btw. Any serious scholar would most likely use Oxford, or M-W, but I assure you both contain very similar definitions to the one above. I'm an Oxford man myself.

Feel free to look the definition up there at your own leisure.

[quido]

I died 4 times in VP today. How many people did I kill?

The only death directly caused by you guys was early on when someone was keeping a huge train at the zone-in (cold wurm broke FD with train on me). Otherwise it was two fail FDs and the time I tried to train racnars on your engage and I don't know what the fuck happened (I FDed but didn't get a fail message and still died - maybe Xygoz broke my FD but I don't think he was close enough yet).

Let's hear an honest estimate of how many deaths can be directly attributed to me! It's at least 25.

[Zereh]

Your guildie was caught cheating. It's on fraps. Why are you even defending him bitch lol

I'm not defending him, just trying to clarify that it's not rocket science how it's being done. It's also been over a year since I've raided with TMO. I just find it amusing that everyone is all for creative EQ playing unless someone outsmarts them, then it's tagged as a cheat.

[Tanthallas]

I'm not defending him, just trying to clarify that it's not rocket science how it's being done. It's also been over a year since I've raided with TMO. I just find it amusing that everyone is all for creative EQ playing unless someone outsmarts them, then it's tagged as a cheat.

What the fuck are you smoking?

[kenzar]

You're assuming. Just because it's being used "creatively" now doesn't mean it was gained unscrupulously.

1 person/1 client. IP exemptions are not for people to have the ease of switching between their alts quickly, its to allow for multiple people who share a connection to all play. Anything less than that is gaining an exemption through unscrupulous means. Again, Im not arguing about its use, just the way it was obtained. Holy fuck you dont read well. Stop straw-manning my shit and just accept the statement for what it is.

[47shadesofgay]

you are not this dumb, stop playing the schmuck.

You do not need someone to hold your hand and walk you through ever possible iteration of what could possible be an exploit.

Ignorance is not a valid defense in this case.

This is a common tactic. He does not like being called out on it either. See the following couple of pages for more:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101136&page=87

This dude is a weasel.

[kenzar]

He does not like being called out on it either.

People rarely enjoy their own cognitive dissonance being pulled into the light.

[Bardalicious]

Giving fading memories to every class in the game that lies about having a girlfriend is totally not game-breaking bros. FAKE GF FM FTW!!

Instead of arguing semantics over this bullshit in RNF, a place that no GM action is ever taken, make a fucking bug report, and have people /sign bump it til a GM response is given. A quick search of the bugs and pvp bugs section shows a SINGLE report complaining about someone poofing from /q too quickly in PVP.

That thread was made on 01-09-2012 and never got past a single page of posts. Though Amelinda stated:

Rogean and I were actually working on this recently.

In reference to the IP exempt exploit. It has clearly fallen through the cracks or has been ignored. Instead of blasting TMO for exploiting it, how about making a legitimate call to action to have it fixed? I mean.... I was excited to hear about FE making a push to overcome TMO in the raid scene. But all these fucking posts are making you just as obnoxious as they are.

[Godefroi]

I'm not defending him, just trying to clarify that it's not rocket science how it's being done. It's also been over a year since I've raided with TMO. I just find it amusing that everyone is all for creative EQ playing unless someone outsmarts them, then it's tagged as a cheat.

So, Aiaus just has been "smart" to use a known exploit from red99 in order to save his ass when being pinned down by his opponents?

Basically Zereh, I believe you've been playing Everquest for long enough to know that using a connexion mecanism allowing you to instantly disappear from the game would be pretty much against the rules of everything you've been able to experience during the numerous amount of days you have played this game, don't you think ?

With such reasoning, you're just encouraging everyone to cheat in this game, as long as it's unnoticed, it's "smart".

You are seriously mistaken, or maybe just spinning like the rest of your ex-guildies.

[falkun]

Global rules (read: enforceable in VP) concerning multi-boxing (IP exemptions) and exploiting:
2+ Boxing
Playing more than one character per server is not allowed and will be strictly enforced. The server will not allow you to log in with more than 1 account per public internet connection. Those attempting to do so will be met with an error message at the loginserver that states there has been a temporary IP block. If you legitimately have more than one real person playing from your connection, you may petition to be excluded from this limitation via an IP Exemption request in the petition forums. Please see the Support section of this guide for more information.

The server staff has many tools available at their disposal to root out people who violate this rule. Those caught will most likely be subject to a permanent ban (GM/Guide discretion).

Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action.
Abusing IP exemption: permanent ban
Exploiting to provide and unintended advantage: permanent ban
Doing the above to provide an unintended advantage for an entire guild: Raid suspension

[Mortiiss]

blue shit is hilarious





pussies to the bone, woah

ur such a badass

[Servellious]

Now u passive Tmo peeps know why we all hate your guild

[47shadesofgay]

I like you, Shades. You clearly respect the rules/ honest playing and also have respect for UM Ann Arbor. An upstanding poster, this one!

Exploiters deserve to be banned, not slapped on the wrist, regardless of which guild they're affiliated with. I really can't believe that this opinion is so unpopular, but alas who are we on this server but the powerless players? Oh well.

P.S. I lived on Washtenaw right off of 23.

Mad props for A2. :)

East Lansing is a fucking slum, makes Ypsi look like wonderland.

[BigLe2e]

This is a common tactic. He does not like being called out on it either. See the following couple of pages for more:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/showthread.php?t=101136&page=87

This dude is a weasel.

He's been at it since the early days on Prexus server I'd imagine too, being a member of stasis. It had the reputation of harboring slimy cheaters, not surprised he ended up in TMO!

[Tanthallas]

Doing the above to provide an unintended advantage for an entire guild: Raid suspension

[Ele]

1 person/1 client. IP exemptions are not for people to have the ease of switching between their alts quickly, its to allow for multiple people who share a connection to all play. Anything less than that is gaining an exemption through unscrupulous means. Again, Im not arguing about its use, just the way it was obtained. Holy fuck you dont read well. Stop straw-manning my shit and just accept the statement for what it is.

You're equating a later use with the initial request. These two are not the same.

Play situations change. A person may have need for an ip exemption at one point with a roommate, then said roommate leaves. Is it then incumbent on the roommate and the original player to ask for their ip exemptions to be removed?

Does the fact that one or both of them have an ip exemption, but live separately mean that it was obtained through "unscrupulous means"? Not at all, it means that their situation changed and the later use of a rightfully obtained exemption may be for less than legitimate purposes and should be handled by server staff appropriately.

What if they want to get together to play again later? Should they have to reapply for a single weekend hangout?

There are people that ask for exemptions that never need them. I do think that the application process should be more stringent and all current ip exemptions should be wiped and require people to reapply.

[Mortiiss]

Global rules (read: enforceable in VP) concerning multi-boxing (IP exemptions) and exploiting:

Abusing IP exemption: permanent ban
Exploiting to provide and unintended advantage: permanent ban
Doing the above to provide an unintended advantage for an entire guild: Raid suspension

How does that apply to VP though since its a no CSR zone? Do they ignore exploits from there as well? Honest question, I don't know.

[falkun]

How does that apply to VP though since its a no CSR zone? Do they ignore exploits from there as well? Honest question, I don't know.

Global server rules are still enforceable in VP. You'll notice I make no mention of the PNP nor training nor any of the "PVE Server Rules", only the "Global rules".

[Mortiiss]

Global server rules are still enforceable in VP. You'll notice I make no mention of the PNP nor training nor any of the "PVE Server Rules", only the "Global rules".

Gotcha - so raid suspension?

[falkun]

This is evident in the Perun and Anthrax suspensions that happened for ninja looting (a global rule) and the "Don't kill merbs here due to pathing exploits" Amelinda rule.

[47shadesofgay]

Don't kid yourselves too much.. the rules are applied at the behest of the ruling GM.

They're more like.. guidelines.

[quido]

yeah east lansing sucks, no doubt

people are fucking retarded and it smells like poop and vomit

[Frieza_Prexus]

Visceral and Getsome,

Please get off your high horses. If you want my personal opinion you need only ask: I submit that the use of exemptions for ALL non-essential (read: so 2 people can play) uses should be disallowed and coded so as to be stymied a much as possible. I asked my questions as an academic point, and because I suspect that much of this outrage is manufactured especially in light of the fact that many of these supposedly culpable uses are widespread and have a very seriously developed history of used by many parties.

Should the uses be allowed in the future? In my opinion, no. However, should we be out for blood for those who have used them in the past? Of that, I am unsure.

[47shadesofgay]

yeah east lansing sucks, no doubt

people are fucking retarded and it smells like poop and vomit

Driving down Grand Ave makes me wanna die

[47shadesofgay]

grand river ave*

[Crazyeye]

lol @ these nerds with 30+ posts in this thread already. Go do something productive with your time maybe?

[quido]

Yeah I used to live in "downtown" East Lansing and it was almost not worth the convenience - noisy drunks, people throwing beer/liquor bottles and shit at my house... but I did have like a 90 second walk to class sometimes. I live a bit north of town now in a real quiet complex (with fast internet) and it's been nice.

I swear that like a year ago the sewer system in the downtown area came to smell SO bad that they like added something to it to try and mask the smell - now it smells like poop, vomit, AND gummi bears.

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the bard exploits everyone (except me) has been using for months.

[BigSlip]

Please do not put words in my mouth. I have only participated in this thread a limited matter, and I specifically noted that I did not condemn or condone any actions.



this old man is annoying






youre on an emulated everquest forum







lets act like a lawyer / priest






derp

[BigSlip]

Visceral and Getsome,

Please get off your high horses. If you want my personal opinion you need only ask: I submit that the use of exemptions for ALL non-essential (read: so 2 people can play) uses should be disallowed and coded so as to be stymied a much as possible. I asked my questions as an academic point, and because I suspect that much of this outrage is manufactured especially in light of the fact that many of these supposedly culpable uses are widespread and have a very seriously developed history of used by many parties.

Should the uses be allowed in the future? In my opinion, no. However, should we be out for blood for those who have used them in the past? Of that, I am unsure.


http://media.bakersfieldnow.com/images/111011-Monsignor-Kevin-McAuliffe-2.jpg

shut up negus

[maverixdamighty]

I died 4 times in VP today. How many people did I kill?

The only death directly caused by you guys was early on when someone was keeping a huge train at the zone-in (cold wurm broke FD with train on me). Otherwise it was two fail FDs and the time I tried to train racnars on your engage and I don't know what the fuck happened (I FDed but didn't get a fail message and still died - maybe Xygoz broke my FD but I don't think he was close enough yet).

Let's hear an honest estimate of how many deaths can be directly attributed to me! It's at least 25.

only reason you were able to kill people is your cheating cleric rezzing you.

[Funkutron5000]

P.S. I lived on Washtenaw right off of 23.

Mad props for A2. :)

East Lansing is a fucking slum, makes Ypsi look like wonderland.

I was on campus for 2 years and then down south of Stadium on Packard. God I miss the Heidleberg's happy hour. Free wings on Friday? Fucking sign me up.

Also God Bless Ypsi's water tower.

[quido]

That's not true!

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

this old man is annoying






youre on an emulated everquest forum







lets act like a lawyer / priest






derp

only post slippery ever made worth a damn

[kenzar]

You're equating a later use with the initial request. These two are not the same.

Play situations change. A person may have need for an ip exemption at one point with a roommate, then said roommate leaves. Is it then incumbent on the roommate and the original player to ask for their ip exemptions to be removed?

Does the fact that one or both of them have an ip exemption, but live separately mean that it was obtained through "unscrupulous means"? Not at all, it means that their situation changed and the later use of a rightfully obtained exemption may be for less than legitimate purposes and should be handled by server staff appropriately.

What if they want to get together to play again later? Should they have to reapply for a single weekend hangout?

There are people that ask for exemptions that never need them. I do think that the application process should be more stringent and all current ip exemptions should be wiped and require people to reapply.

Im not equating anything. Im merely saying: "The scenario outlined by Zereh does not merit an exemption (1players/2clients.) If anyone is using an exemption like this then it should be taken away. Exemptions are for multiple people playing from the same singular connection. My statement does not go any further than addressing the initial exemption request. Dont put words in my mouth, read/comprehend harder; it's almost as if you two are playing dumb on purpose. Was it that hard to comprehend all this from my original statement? Did it require me to repeat my words in 3 separate ways before you understood?

[maverixdamighty]

You're equating a later use with the initial request. These two are not the same.

Play situations change. A person may have need for an ip exemption at one point with a roommate, then said roommate leaves. Is it then incumbent on the roommate and the original player to ask for their ip exemptions to be removed?

Does the fact that one or both of them have an ip exemption, but live separately mean that it was obtained through "unscrupulous means"? Not at all, it means that their situation changed and the later use of a rightfully obtained exemption may be for less than legitimate purposes and should be handled by server staff appropriately.

What if they want to get together to play again later? Should they have to reapply for a single weekend hangout?

There are people that ask for exemptions that never need them. I do think that the application process should be more stringent and all current ip exemptions should be wiped and require people to reapply.

he's exploiting an ip exemption. you can argue semantics all you want, but let's call a spade a spade.

[Ele]

this old man is annoying

youre on an emulated everquest forum

lets act like a lawyer / priest

derp

As opposed to let's all troll each other all day long accomplishing nothing?

Step out of the cave and better yourself son.

[BigSlip]

only post slippery ever made worth a damn

***** who u iz anyway

[maverixdamighty]

Visceral and Getsome,

Please get off your high horses. If you want my personal opinion you need only ask: I submit that the use of exemptions for ALL non-essential (read: so 2 people can play) uses should be disallowed and coded so as to be stymied a much as possible. I asked my questions as an academic point, and because I suspect that much of this outrage is manufactured especially in light of the fact that many of these supposedly culpable uses are widespread and have a very seriously developed history of used by many parties.

Should the uses be allowed in the future? In my opinion, no. However, should we be out for blood for those who have used them in the past? Of that, I am unsure.

if it was FE doing it to TMO you would be quite sure.

[BigSlip]

As opposed to let's all troll each other all day long accomplishing nothing?

Step out of the cave and better yourself son.

negus look here



im at work for another 30 minutes, ima troll u blubs bitching about blub drama if i see fit


holla

[Ele]

Im not equating anything. Im merely saying: "The scenario outlined by Zereh does not merit an exemption (1players/2clients.) If anyone is using an exemption like this then it should be taken away. Exemptions are for multiple people playing from the same singular connection. My statement does not go any further than addressing the initial exemption request. Dont put words in my mouth, read/comprehend harder; it's almost as if you two are playing dumb on purpose. Was it that hard to comprehend all this from my original statement? Did it require me to repeat my words in 3 separate ways before you understood?

Zereh did not posit any position on how the exemption was acquired, but the use. You injected that the current use was the reason for why the exemption was obtained.

You sir need to step back and reexamine your initial and continuing argument.

If you wish to discuss the merits of does one person with one account deserve an ip exemption, then the answer to that question is no.

[falkun]

So basically Giegue's post sums it up: Aiaus' IP exemption should be gone. Additional punishments, while warranted by global rules (this is VP after-all), are discretionary. The good news is, FE shouldn't have to put up with Aiaus doing this again, on to the next IP-exempt cleric that attempts this!

[falkun]

O, and put in your IP exemption tonight, because its "questionably legal" at this point. So you're in the clear until you get caught doing it.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

MECCZAN

WRU

[Frieza_Prexus]

if it was FE doing it to TMO you would be quite sure.

It is my sincere hope that I have demonstrated with my actions and contributions that when I make a statement I mean it. No, if the situation were reversed I would not feel otherwise.

[kenzar]

Zereh did not posit any position on how the exemption was acquired, but the use. You injected that the current use was the reason for why the exemption was obtained.

You sir need to step back and reexamine your initial and continuing argument.

If you wish to discuss the merits of does one person with one account deserve an ip exemption, then the answer to that question is no.

Zereh did not posit any position on how the exemption was acquired, but the use.



/facepalm.

IT doesn't require two accounts, it just requires two computers and one account with an IP exemption. Play EQ on PC1, have PC2 locked and loaded @ character select ~ /q out on PC1 and hit enter on PC2.

does one person with one account deserve an ip exemption, then the answer to that question is no.

How many more times do u need it spelled out for you before you understand? Please just quantify it for me so I can know if this is a exercise in futility or not.

[Ele]

he's exploiting an ip exemption. you can argue semantics all you want, but let's call a spade a spade.

Who are you talking about? I believe we're having two different conversations and you are applying my discussion with someone else to the discussion you want to have with me.

If you are wanting to talk about plugging (using /q and ip exemption and/or second account/computer) in general to remove yourself from an in-game situation in which you would otherwise die, then yes that should be an infraction. I don't think there is a disagreement between you and me on that point.

If you have seen my other posts in this thread, I said all ip exemptions should be wiped and reapplied for with much more stringent proof. Additionally, I would like to see /q leave you in game the full 30 seconds or 3 minutes if engaged/aggro even with an exemption. Another solution might be to hard code the server to not allow another account to log in within 30 seconds to 1 minute other another account coming from that ip address. This would still allow people to play together, but prevent quick disconnects and reconnects. However, transferring items between accounts gets negatively affected. But there should be some trade off to prevent abuse.

The transferability of ip exemptions (since it stays with the login account) also plays a role in account sales/trading being a bonus and advertised as such in the ECT forum. When it should be used for its intended purpose of allowing 2 or more people to play from the same location, which is otherwise blocked.

[47shadesofgay]

I was on campus for 2 years and then down south of Stadium on Packard. God I miss the Heidleberg's happy hour. Free wings on Friday? Fucking sign me up.

Also God Bless Ypsi's water tower.

There's an awesome restaurant right under the penis.. I think it's actually called "The tower". Awesome food and atmo.

There were some pretty awesome places to eat on state street near campus too.

I used to spend so much fucking time at Pinball Pete's back in the day.. but I digress.

[kenzar]

There's an awesome restaurant right under the penis.. I think it's actually called "The tower". Awesome food and atmo.

There were some pretty awesome places to eat on state street near campus too.

I used to spend so much fucking time at Pinball Pete's back in the day.. but I digress.

Circle jerk elsewhere, this area is reserved for a specific type of circle jerk.

[maverixdamighty]

It is my sincere hope that I have demonstrated with my actions and contributions that when I make a statement I mean it. No, if the situation were reversed I would not feel otherwise.

based on your assessment of this situation, no you have not demonstrated you are without bias.

[maverixdamighty]

Who are you talking about? I believe we're having two different conversations and you are applying my discussion with someone else to the discussion you want to have with me.

If you are wanting to talk about plugging (using /q and ip exemption and/or second account/computer) in general to remove yourself from an in-game situation in which you would otherwise die, then yes that should be an infraction. I don't think there is a disagreement between you and me on that point.

If you have seen my other posts in this thread, I said all ip exemptions should be wiped and reapplied for with much more stringent proof. Additionally, I would like to see /q leave you in game the full 30 seconds or 3 minutes if engaged/aggro even with an exemption. Another solution might be to hard code the server to not allow another account to log in within 30 seconds to 1 minute other another account coming from that ip address. This would still allow people to play together, but prevent quick disconnects and reconnects. However, transferring items between accounts gets negatively affected. But there should be some trade off to prevent abuse.

The transferability of ip exemptions (since it stays with the login account) also plays a role in account sales/trading being a bonus and advertised as such in the ECT forum. When it should be used for its intended purpose of allowing 2 or more people to play from the same location, which is otherwise blocked.

Thought you were talking about the fraps video. I agree with what you are saying.

[Ele]

/facepalm.

How many more times do u need it spelled out for you before you understand? Please just quantify it for me so I can know if this is a exercise in futility or not.

Really?

I certainly hope you aren't this intellectually dishonest. This quote from you is certainly apt to your position, "People rarely enjoy their own cognitive dissonance being pulled into the light."

Please show me where Zereh said that one person with one account asked for an ip exemption for the purposes of plugging.

She said to execute the discussed scenario, you just need a single account with an exemption. She made no statement of how such an exemption was acquired.

You are projecting the argument you want to make upon the statements of myself and Zereh. Please revisit your initial argument.

If you would like to rephrase your argument, to the question of "can a person with one account that only ever plays alone and will always play alone and never need an ip exemption for the purposes of plugging?", then yes that is an inappropriate request and use of an exemption.

[getsome]

who cares about fancy coding , or more rules to prevent someone from committing an infraction

until p99 enforces its existing rule set with the punishments already laid out all that coding is a waste of time.

[bizzum]

I like you, Shades. You clearly respect the rules/ honest playing and also have respect for UM Ann Arbor. An upstanding poster, this one!

Yay Ann Arbor!!

[Ele]

who cares about fancy coding , or more rules to prevent someone from committing an infraction

until p99 enforces its existing rule set with the punishments already laid out all that coding is a waste of time.

If the coding prevents the abuse in the first place, then it means less enforcement is needed. The enforcement is a finite resource.

[Frieza_Prexus]

based on your assessment of this situation, no you have not demonstrated you are without bias.

I am curious, to what extent do you feel my analysis has been impacted? I have clearly called for a similar regime to what Elethia put forward regarding the strictness with which exemptions are handed out. A number of people here have called for Aiaus to be banned. I am not certain the situation warrants such an extreme measure, especially in light of a demonstrable history of similar instances on the server. Should such abusers lose their exemption? Absolutely. Should we impose harsher measures? Again, of that I am unsure.

If you take issue with such a stance, I would be curious to know your exact complaint.

[BigSlip]

I am curious, to what extent do you feel my analysis has been impacted? I have clearly called for a similar regime to what Elethia put forward regarding the strictness with which exemptions are handed out. A number of people here have called for Aiaus to be banned. I am not certain the situation warrants such an extreme measure, especially in light of a demonstrable history of similar instances on the server. Should such abusers lose their exemption? Absolutely. Should we impose harsher measures? Again, of that I am unsure.

If you take issue with such a stance, I would be curious to know your exact complaint.

u are one annoying cunt. Stop abusing ip exemptions.

[kenzar]

Please show me where Zereh said that one person with one account asked for an ip exemption for the purposes of plugging.


Please show me where I said that one person with one account asked for an ip exemption for the purposes of plugging.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

A number of people here have called for Aiaus to be banned. I am not certain the situation warrants such an extreme measure


lol tmo cheating fucks. FE has been in what VP like 1 week already caught you dudes using exploits to win.

[Frieza_Prexus]

u are one annoying cunt. Stop abusing ip exemptions.

I don't understand how you can spend so much time on the blue forms yet remain functionally illiterate.

[maverixdamighty]

I am curious, to what extent do you feel my analysis has been impacted? I have clearly called for a similar regime to what Elethia put forward regarding the strictness with which exemptions are handed out. A number of people here have called for Aiaus to be banned. I am not certain the situation warrants such an extreme measure, especially in light of a demonstrable history of similar instances on the server. Should such abusers lose their exemption? Absolutely. Should we impose harsher measures? Again, of that I am unsure.

If you take issue with such a stance, I would be curious to know your exact complaint.

Ya this part, "Should the uses be allowed in the future? In my opinion, no. However, should we be out for blood for those who have used them in the past? Of that, I am unsure."

So basically since aiaus did it in the past we should ignore it but if it happens again it shouldn't be allowed. How convenient after he was the sole reason we were not able to kill your entire train team due to his obvious exploiting. That is why you are biased and should quit posting.

[finalgrunt]

I am curious, to what extent do you feel my analysis has been impacted? I have clearly called for a similar regime to what Elethia put forward regarding the strictness with which exemptions are handed out. A number of people here have called for Aiaus to be banned. I am not certain the situation warrants such an extreme measure, especially in light of a demonstrable history of similar instances on the server. Should such abusers lose their exemption? Absolutely. Should we impose harsher measures? Again, of that I am unsure.

If you take issue with such a stance, I would be curious to know your exact complaint.

Tell me if I'm wrong here:

The person on the video is exploiting (yes, dropping aggro instantly is an exploit).
It can't be done without an IP exemption.
Therefore the person on the video is exploiting IP exemption.
Dual boxing is also exploiting IP exemption. It is said: "Those caught will most likely be subject to a permanent ban (GM/Guide discretion)."

There is no debate here. What is wierd though, it the support coming from your guild. Which could bring you more trouble than anything. Why would you do it? :confused:

[BigLe2e]

I am curious, to what extent do you feel my analysis has been impacted? I have clearly called for a similar regime to what Elethia put forward regarding the strictness with which exemptions are handed out. A number of people here have called for Aiaus to be banned. I am not certain the situation warrants such an extreme measure, especially in light of a demonstrable history of similar instances on the server. Should such abusers lose their exemption? Absolutely. Should we impose harsher measures? Again, of that I am unsure.

If you take issue with such a stance, I would be curious to know your exact complaint.

This guys posts remind me of that one episode of seinfeld where George teaches Putty his "move" since Jerrry denied him the usage of his own move and Elaine described it as a bunch of fluff with no finish.

Most uninteresting, biased but doesnt think hes biased poster in RNF!

[Ele]

Please show me where I said that one person with one account asked for an ip exemption for the purposes of plugging.

That is your whole argument.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Ya this part, "Should the uses be allowed in the future? In my opinion, no. However, should we be out for blood for those who have used them in the past? Of that, I am unsure."

So basically since aiaus did it in the past we should ignore it but if it happens again it shouldn't be allowed. How convenient after he was the sole reason we were not able to kill your entire train team due to his obvious exploiting. That is why you are biased and should quit posting.

As I elaborated, the comment out for blood wass specifically meant to address the idea that he should be banned. I am simply unsure that such a measure would be consistent with the current precedence regarding punishment in such issues. Again, should such abuse want the stripping of an exemption? Absolutely. Are additional measures such as bans necessary? Again, I am unsure.

It is not that Aiaus' actions should be excused because he did in the past, it is because a ban in this scenario does not seem consistent with how such abuses have been handled in the past. For example, Giegue cited that exemptions have been stripped on red for such conduct. Thus, removal of an exemption here would seem consistent. To elevate the punishment would be a measure that I am unsure is necessary or fair.

[Tanthallas]

Thus, removal of an exemption here would seem consistent. To elevate the punishment would be a measure that I am unsure is necessary or fair.

lol.

[BigLe2e]

They probably would have banned on red if banning 1 person didnt eliminate 1/3 the population.

[kenzar]

That is your whole argument.

No, thats the straw man you and Zereh created. My argument is that in the scenario outlined by Zereh, there is a glaring flaw in that, 1 person should not have an exemption. Exemptions are for >2 people on the same connection. That is my entire argument.

[Ele]

No, thats the straw man you and Zereh created. My argument is that in the scenario outlined by Zereh, there is a glaring flaw in that, 1 person should not have an exemption. Exemptions are for >2 people on the same connection. That is my entire argument.

How does Zereh's scenario preclude a second person being around or more than one account or that the exemption was rightfully obtained? Zereh's scenario doesn't disclaim there being an additional person or additional account for purposes of the ip exemption. It only puts forth that you just need one account with an exemption and two computers to perform the specific action being discussed.

You are the one bringing up that that situation shouldn't occur because individual players shouldn't get exemptions.

[Ele]

They probably would have banned on red if banning X persons didnt eliminate 1/3 the population.

Where have we heard that before.

[Cars]

Where have we heard that before.

Bahahaha memory lane just occured for me.

[kenzar]

How does Zereh's scenario preclude a second person being around or more than one account or that the exemption was rightfully obtained? Zereh's scenario doesn't disclaim there being an additional person or additional account for purposes of the ip exemption. It only puts forth that you just need one account with an exemption and two computers to perform the specific action being discussed.

You are the one bringing up that that situation shouldn't occur because individual players shouldn't get exemptions.

Now we are arguing semantics after you've repeatedly misrepresented my claim. Right. When I asked you to quantify the number of times I'd have to explain this to you before you got it, I wish you would have just said you are willfully ignorant. It could have saved us each a few minutes.

[finalgrunt]

Exploiting pathing (so as to not get hit): suspension
Exploiting IP exemption to dual box: ban/suspension.

Exploiting IP exemption for instant aggro drop (thus doing both of above): no suspension?

Some people here need to review their scale of values.

[Jokesteve]

Nothing about this has to do with hacking, nice try.

[Bardalicious]

Instead of arguing semantics over this bullshit in RNF, a place that no GM action is ever taken, make a fucking bug report, and have people /sign bump it til a GM response is given. A quick search of the bugs and pvp bugs section shows a SINGLE report complaining about someone poofing from /q too quickly in PVP.

That thread was made on 01-09-2012 and never got past a single page of posts. Though Amelinda stated:

Rogean and I were actually working on this recently.

In reference to the IP exempt exploit. It has clearly fallen through the cracks or has been ignored. Instead of blasting TMO for exploiting it, how about making a legitimate call to action to have it fixed? I mean.... I was excited to hear about FE making a push to overcome TMO in the raid scene. But all these fucking posts are making you just as obnoxious as they are.

[Ele]

Now we are arguing semantics after you've repeatedly misrepresented my claim. Right. When I asked you to quantify the number of times I'd have to explain this to you before you got it, I wish you would have just said you are willfully ignorant. It could have saved us each a few minutes.

If you would appropriately present your claim in a clear manner, then it wouldn't have to be picked apart in a drawn out attempt to figure out what you are attempting to convey.

Good luck in your future endeavors.

[kenzar]

Nothing about this has to do with hacking, nice try.

Who said it did? Exploiting, yes. Hacking, no. Welcome to the discussion.

[Ele]

Who said it did? Exploiting, yes. Hacking, no. Welcome to the discussion.

Have you seen the title of the thread?

[Versager]

Months of "plz come to VP FE".

Now we come to VP even with half of our guild still unkeyed and now you cheat because you get your ass kicked from a little FE force?

I know that i repeat myself, but all i can say is: pussys

Every single day i would be ashamed to wear a TMO over my head.

[Ele]

Months of "plz come to VP FE".

Now we come to VP even with half of our guild still unkeyed and now you cheat because you get your ass kicked from a little FE force?

I know that i repeat myself, but all i can say is: pussys

Every single day i would be ashamed to wear a TMO over my head.

Your opinion is noted.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Exploiting pathing (so as to not get hit): suspension
Exploiting IP exemption to dual box: ban/suspension.

Exploiting IP exemption for instant aggro drop (thus doing both of above): no suspension?
.

I think a very very strong case can be made for a suspension. Just as you've illustrated above. I personally, have only discussed the merits of a permanent ban until now.

[kenzar]

it wouldn't have to be picked apart


You two seem to have been the only ones having a problem comprehending it. Is it more reasonable to say that the cognitive failure is on everyone sans Ele/Zereh, or that the cognitive failure is on your part? (Hint: That question is rhetorical and doesn't require a response.)

[Ele]

You two seem to have been the only ones having a problem comprehending it. Is it more reasonable to say that the cognitive failure is on everyone sans Ele/Zereh, or that the cognitive failure is on your part? (Hint: That question is rhetorical and doesn't require a response.)

What reasoning, I'm beat.

[kotton05]

currently marley is alive and camped on ledge, but not for long. ^^

http://i.imgur.com/zg9ZN5C.jpg

the more you hunger the more you fizzle.


http://25.media.tumblr.com/04b11a087e3da3a6724e21a15862772f/tumblr_mjxnzkr5S41qdlh1io1_250.gif

that train barely missed me

[maverixdamighty]

I think a very very strong case can be made for a guild raid suspension. Just as you've illustrated above. I personally, have only discussed the merits of a permanent ban until now.

fify

[Jokesteve]

Who said it did? Exploiting, yes. Hacking, no. Welcome to the discussion.

try the title of the thread, holy shit

[kenzar]

try the title of the thread, holy shit

Try the 20+ pages of everyone addressing it as an exploit.

[Metallikus]

Global rules (read: enforceable in VP) concerning multi-boxing (IP exemptions) and exploiting:

"Originally Posted by Rogean
2+ Boxing
Playing more than one character per server is not allowed and will be strictly enforced. The server will not allow you to log in with more than 1 account per public internet connection. Those attempting to do so will be met with an error message at the loginserver that states there has been a temporary IP block. If you legitimately have more than one real person playing from your connection, you may petition to be excluded from this limitation via an IP Exemption request in the petition forums. Please see the Support section of this guide for more information.

The server staff has many tools available at their disposal to root out people who violate this rule. Those caught will most likely be subject to a permanent ban (GM/Guide discretion).

Third Party Tools, Exploiting
We do not tolerate cheating on Project 1999. Any program that provides an unintended advantage or gleams access to information not otherwise available is very strictly prohibited. Please be aware that while other EQEmulator servers may allow the use of such programs, we do not. We have many systems in place to detect the presence and usage of these programs passively, with regular sweeps to purge users that have utilized them. This is typically a permanent ban.

Do not make the mistake that you may get away with it because you used it on Live Everquest. We put much more effort into the detection of these utilities than SOE ever did. You will be caught and banned if you use them.

The same holds true for exploiting. If you have the slightest doubt that what you are doing may not be intended, please cease immediately and seek clarification from the server staff. Failure to do so and discovery of your actions will lead to disciplinary action."

Abusing IP exemption: permanent ban
Exploiting to provide and unintended advantage: permanent ban
Doing the above to provide an unintended advantage for an entire guild: Raid suspension

[Jokesteve]

Who said it did? Exploiting, yes. Hacking, no. Welcome to the discussion.

Nice, trying to back peddle still does not exclude the fact this is not a hack and your a tool for not paying attention when you made this post.

[kenzar]

Right, 400+ responses calling it an exploit should be disregarded because the title. How could I have missed this undeniable truth. Idiot. Welcome to the discussion, I'm sure you will be adding a lot.

[Ele]

Right, 400+ responses calling it an exploit should be disregarded because the title. How could I have missed this undeniable truth. Idiot. Welcome to the discussion, I'm sure you will be adding a lot.

"Everyone I knew in p99 left for eqmac or quit. Although Im always interested in meeting new friends."

Such a winning personality. You might get some helpful information from this book: http://www.amazon.com/How-Win-Friends-Influence-People/dp/0671027034

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

Tmo getting caught doing more and more exploiting.

We need Uth back to suspend/ban these assholes ruining the server?

[kenzar]

I was interested, then I realized he is the child wandering into the theater half way through the movie and asking questions. I'm not interested in spoon feeding anyone. I prefer friends that meet me halfway.

[Fazlazen]

I will not read this thread.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

CHEAT ON TMO CHEAT ON, YOU ARE SINKING, GONNA JOIN TOOP"S SERVER BY THE SUMMER

riptmo

[fullmetalcoxman]

Rest in peace in peace?

[Hollywood]

I'm saying if it's not getting reds banned when they do it all over in every zone, you're not going to get banned for it on blue in a non csr zone.

Characters are not immune to punishment for cheating/exploiting, regardless of the CSR status of a zone.


If this is not a view shared by Sirken or Rogean, than chalk it up to another feature of P99 that's not classic.

[Yun]

Bruce, Sericx, and Kingore are all accessories to this blatant hacking. As we speak, they are utilizing the cheater Aiaus to train with no ramifications. This exploit is pretty much the same as using Macroquest Instant Camp plugins. Totally uncalled for, regardless of Veeshan's Peak being a zone that doesn't have normal GM intervention.

The fact that TMO is allowing and even utilizing a cheater to do something that directly benefits their entire guild is completely unacceptable.

I think this calls for another raid suspension for TMO. Until the leadership can get a handle on their lapdogs, I think it's the only way to teach these lowlifes to play fair.

We had some around those repops from your clerics, but we chose not to petition/cry about them.

I personally don't have any.

Why would you cry about them when you yourself are utilizing the benefit gained from your guildmate using the very same exploit in question? Enjoy your suspension/ban.

[Autotune]

Characters are not immune to punishment for cheating/exploiting, regardless of the CSR status of a zone.


If this is not a view shared by Sirken or Rogean, than chalk it up to another feature of P99 that's not classic.

It helps when you read the entire comment and take it all in.

Reds doing it all over their server, blues doing it in the zone with the least amount of GM involvement.

If GMs start dishing out punishments for this on blue, they better get ready to start actually enforcing it on Red where they've wanted it enforced since their server launched.

[Autotune]

Exploiting pathing (so as to not get hit): suspension
Exploiting IP exemption to dual box: ban/suspension.

Exploiting IP exemption for instant aggro drop (thus doing both of above): no suspension?

Some people here need to review their scale of values.

Exploiting an IP exemption to instantly exit the world.

They aren't doing dual boxing (1 account logged) and they aren't exploiting pathing.

Idk where you idiots come up with this type of stupid fucking reasoning, but it hurts your position more than it helps.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

Exploiting an IP exemption to instantly exit the world.

They aren't doing dual boxing (1 account logged) and they aren't exploiting pathing.

Idk where you idiots come up with this type of stupid fucking reasoning, but it hurts your position more than it helps.

that shit is exploiting the fuck out of the ip exemption. Go spend 30 mins rounding up a pretty train on your necro to have someone just poof as the train arrives. Instant camp/Fd for all classes is dumb as fuck. You know it. I know it. The server knows it.

[OMGWTF420]

seems pretty shady to me, but does anyone expect less? p99 raiding is all about finding the boundaries of the rules then pushing it just a little further and waiting for a GM to rule on it.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

it is about like when IB found out Tmo was using hoops to kill shit. When we started doing it, THEN it turned into a exploit.

FE if i were you i would just get everyone a IP exemption and never die to TMO trainers ever again in VP

[Servellious]

SPIN that shit autotune, TMO is so pro over 1 year free vp, previous training experience yet need to exploit to compete with FE. GM's i hope you guys do something about these cheaters.

[chief]

welcome to vp, people have been doing this since day one, don't even suggest that your clerics don't abuse this whenever they get the chance

[Zeelot]

Maultriss, Unbrella, Heallun, and others have all survived my trains by instantly leaving game via Cast DA + /quit

If you're going to scream about exploits and fairness, stop doing it yourselves first ;)

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

Maultriss, Unbrella, Heallun, and others have all survived my trains by instantly leaving game via Cast DA + /quit

If you're going to scream about exploits and fairness, stop doing it yourselves first ;)

where is alarti when you need him. You got proof of Fe doing it?

[Zeelot]

No need to prove it. I'd prefer this thread to hit 100 pages. Carry on kids.

[falkun]

Maultriss, Unbrella, Heallun, and others have all survived my trains by instantly leaving game via Cast DA + /quit

If you're going to scream about exploits and fairness, stop doing it yourselves first ;)

Casting DA is a bit different than getting hit and quitting. Notice all the damage aiaus takes, that doesn't happen with DA.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

If you're going to scream about exploits and fairness, stop doing it yourselves first ;)

i thought it was tmo's policy to not allow cheaters in your guild? so as long as the rival guild "might" be cheating/exploiting it is ok for you guys to do it?

[lilyanna]

Maultriss, Unbrella, Heallun, and others have all survived my trains by instantly leaving game via Cast DA + /quit

If you're going to scream about exploits and fairness, stop doing it yourselves first ;)

You have proof of this?

[lilyanna]

If TMO are saying that we exploit in the way they do then please show the actual proof like we did. Personally I think you are talking total crap.

[RipinpeaceTMO2013]

Tmo guild leader just confirmed as long as others cheat, they condone it.

[Zeelot]

Glad we have a new anon troll fan. It's been long overdue. Carry on the will of Harrison for us.

[47shadesofgay]

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[falkun]

I don't know about heallun and unbrella, but when did maultriss get an ip exemption to do this to you, zee?