The real reason the population is declining is...

[Slug]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

Your entire post is inherently contradictory. Congrats on typing all of that, just to hear yourself talk though. Talking; that's definitely one thing blubies do better.

[Chett]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...because red players are inferior to blue players. I knew it the moment they started flocking to our forums after Rogean announced he might start up a red server. The inescapable truth is that classic exp and classic mechanics in general were too challenging for most of you. You can try to make all the excuses you want, but in the end the blue server is still doing very well and will always have a higher population, even though the exp rate is the same on both servers.

Blue players are much smarter and better at this game. There is probably not a single red player who is better than even the worst blue player (it's unclear who the worst blue player is, but we know it's a close fight between Xosire and Hasinbad). This is why former VZTZ players get repeatedly dirtnapped by the bluebies that migrated over just to humiliate the red population. This is why you see constant complaining about the exp rate on the pvp forums, but never do you see anyone complain about the exp rate on the blue forums. This is why red players are mostly illiterate apes who can barely form sentences, while blue players all write extremely eloquently.

Red99's population was over 600 at its peak. The bluebies literally drove over 400 red players from this server by embarrassing them and griefing them whenever we saw them. Without your hax and your fast exp you're nothing.

Reality is a tricky thing. And you have no clue what you are talking about.

Every single Post of yours is crap.

[Dfn]

Solution: merge servers. Enable PvP.


My god make it happen.

[Rikimeru]

Originally Posted by Dfn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Solution: merge servers. Enable PvP.


My god make it happen.

that would be quickest way to kill both servers

[Dfn]

Originally Posted by Rikimeru [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that would be quickest way to kill both servers

And from the ashes would rise the master server.

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by Dfn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Solution: merge servers. Enable PvP.


My god make it happen.

[stormlord]

I'll tell ya why population is lower.

Anybody with 70 iq or above can understand.

Everything else being equal, PvP massively slows down progression on the red server. Like it or not, progression is the bread and butter of RPGs. PvPers like to talk smack and pretend they're in an alternate universe. But they're not. Players come here to this red server and find that they're getting their a** handed to them by others and their experience bar keeps going backwards. They note that they level up faster on blue and ask themselves WTF are they wasting their time on this red server for if not for some sort of reward? Where is the risk AND reward if the red server is too heavily leaning towards risk? It's out of balance.

The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

The rewards:
1) In theory, PvPers feel PvP is the only reward they need

The problem is that PvPers cannot survive solely on killing other players. Furthermore, a lot of players join pvp-servers with PvE in mind. In fact, industry-wide, most players are PvE, not PvP.

Boost the reward and it will get better. Must compensate for increased risk.

Just imagine that the red server is a much more difficult zone than the normal blue zones. The creatures inside are as smart as humans and even grief. To compensate for the increased difficulty, the developers increase the reward by upping the experience rate or some other progression-related variable (like named spawn rate).

[Zalaerian]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that PvPers cannot survive solely on killing other players. Furthermore, a lot of players join pvp-servers with PvE in mind. In fact, industry-wide, most players are PvE, not PvP.

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I beg to differ. We were content with sitting on Nihilum's corpses all last night even if there was no dragon to be slewn.

[PVPBetaChamps]

Originally Posted by Zalaerian [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I beg to differ. We were content with sitting on Nihilum's corpses all last night even if their was no dragon to be slewn.

nothin better than watching a pve'er struggle to pve, except watching a pve'er struggle to pvp wanting to pve

HEH HEH HEH

[Humerox]

Originally Posted by stormlord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The "risks" on this pvp server (everything else being equal):
1) You die in pvp and lose experience
2) You get killed by other players; not just NPCs
3) You're anon and others cannot see your level/class; to protect yourself
4) More often than not, you do not group with other guilds; again, to protect yourself

The rewards:
1) In theory, PvPers feel PvP is the only reward they need

Sounds logical Storm...but it's not true.

1) PvP XP loss is so negligible that it doesn't matter. The fact is, most casters are going to scream about it because it keeps them from rushing. (Small deterrent that it is, it works)

2) Anyone that logs into red knows this, c'mon.

3) The LFG problem is real. If Nilbog and team could somehow enable the LFG tool that would rock. Otherwise, people need to use the IRC LFG chat that has been set up for them.

4) Guilds are grouping with all kinds of other guilds. In fact, most guilds are friendly with each other. And any guild you join will tell you what guilds to watch out for.


I don't know what kind of PvPers really believe PvP is their only reward, unless they are an unsociable soloing psychopath. (I just described quite a few reds that played emu and are no longer here)

PvE is heavily tied into PvP. You have to do one to do the other - unless the game itself is completely destroyed by making XP so easy you can level to 50 in 5 days, allowing people to once again blow past what is the most fun PvP in the game...mid-level PvP.

The server is stable. What anyone with an IQ of 70 can understand is that no one new is going to join with all the doom and gloom posts going on. Give it a rest, people.



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