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Old 05-12-2024, 10:17 AM
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some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do
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Old 05-12-2024, 11:07 AM
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Old 05-12-2024, 12:00 PM
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In most ancient cultures, the sword was a much higher status symbol than the axe. Hopefully that helps.
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Old 05-12-2024, 05:35 PM
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some weapons yes, in this case both tuna and vulak do
You know what Mr Atridgemonthigh, I'm not confident on this statement. I'd love to test it but I don't have a toon with either or I would.

Would definitely be interesting to find out for sure, but it also doesn't matter that much considering all classes that can use scale infinitely with AC regardless of a worn AC cap, the numbers just keep going up anyway.
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Old 05-12-2024, 10:48 PM
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It doesn’t matter, nothing a knight tanks people stop and say “hmm mitigation is a concern”.

I put a shield on to look like I’m trying hard.
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Old 05-13-2024, 05:08 AM
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It doesn’t matter, nothing a knight tanks people stop and say “hmm mitigation is a concern”.

I put a shield on to look like I’m trying hard.
Optics is everything! A monk gets more invites in bristlesilk (cloth stats but looks like velious silk) than in half decent monk gear (that has good stats but looks like cloth).

Minmax is for sure playing social and psychological angles not playing for a few % of improvement here and there.
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Old 05-13-2024, 12:53 PM
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I use a tuna sword and ac goes up by 67ish I'm not at my PC, same with vulak on my fellow nerd friends goes up by 120ish. It's not hard to see
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Old 05-13-2024, 05:04 PM
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I use a tuna sword and ac goes up by 67ish I'm not at my PC, same with vulak on my fellow nerd friends goes up by 120ish. It's not hard to see
Thats not how shield AC works broski.

There is a worn item AC 'cap' in which returns on mitigation AC diminish above that cap. Shields are in addition to this worn AC cap. As far as I'm aware nothing that is a weapon adds mitigation AC at the full rate of return.

That said, returns on AC above the worn AC cap are still ridiculously strong for most classes so it's always better to stack it anyway.

300 worn AC soft cap for a paladin, so anything above that you add up on each item is adding 34% of the effective mitigation AC. But the displayed number is still the same. So if you were naked and put a vulak axe on, you get the full benefit of the 80AC. If you're geared above 300 worn AC, you get the effect of 27AC. A 50AC shield however would give you 50AC.

Distinguishing what offhand items are shields is harder, the bash test is one way.

I also don't know if the tunare sword of vulak axe are shields either, they very well might be. Would take an hour or so either way to parse. By being above worn cap with a couple of items removed, and tanking something with vulak axe, then adding 80AC from something else like statue breastplate and vulak ear and removing axe. Should get identical results. 27 to 80AC is a fairly big difference and would show up on a cliff golem or something without having to endure hours of clicking a hosh staff on someone.

TLDR: Your displayed AC number is just a number, does not reflect whats going on behind the scenes. It always displays the worn AC amount+defense modifier regardless of if it's above or below a class cap.
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Old 05-14-2024, 01:19 PM
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I wanted to hear more about leveling in dreadlands with tunare sword
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Old 05-14-2024, 07:10 PM
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It’s very interesting. Like, people who play shadowknights fear kite for maybe 5 hours total of the entire toon. Then somehow parade it as some skill. Like rangers fear kiting in solb for 1-2 levels. Doing so anywhere isn’t a special thing, and nobody with any real amount of gear ever does as it’s the most asinine boring thing you can do short of playing a shaman. Solitaire is more engaging than these shit ways to play eq.
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