Warriors are useless in 90% of the games content

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by 7thGate [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think this does anything different, does it? If you don't include a lightstone it's still empty to primary, 2 hs to 1 hs (bagged), 1 hs to secondary, 1 hs to 2 hs (bagged), 2 hs to primary. You still need to turn auto attack off before you swap out the two hander or you'll punch with the offhand, I think. I don't think the lightstone prevents that.

Or are we concerned the mainhand timer is going to come off cool down by the time we pulse autoattack (or is there an offhand attack button?) With the 1 hs equipped? If you're that slow you're already seriously screwing yourself up by trying this.

Yeah, the stone is insurance against the primary going off as fist if you fumble (or lag). It's something I found useful in the few times I've tried offhand swings. Obviously its not a strategy I routinely use. The attention required to keep it up just is too demanding at the expense of situational awareness (not being distracted by loads of clicks so you can take on whats going on around you is one of the benefits of warrior)!

[Jimjam]

Does it add so much time? Having a lightstone on your cursor when you unequip the 2hs doesn’t seem a big deal? It also lets you just autoi the secondary in.

Have you actually tried this? Is it theory quest?

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Have you actually tried this? Is it theory quest?

He has not.

He’s just blowing smoke. This is just not doable. Not once successfully without losses of primary swings and certainly not reproducible consistently. Even if it were doable, it would be insanity inducing for really marginal gain. I get annoyed pulling this trick on my monk where you do it all in 2 clicks … taking almost no time.

If bandolier was a thing in this era, it’d be more believable.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Troxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if it were doable, it would be insanity inducing for really marginal gain. I get annoyed pulling this trick on my monk where you do it all in 2 clicks … taking almost no time.

20+% DPS increase is not "marginal" gain. If you think doing it with just fist offhand is difficult, that is your own issue. It's fair to say people aren't going to want to try and weapon swap with max haste all the time. Yes it is annoying to do. But playing melee in this game is boring and weapon swapping factually creates the best DPS. People should be aware, try to get better at it, and use it when they feel like putting the effort in.

Originally Posted by skulldudes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

my favorite part is how it's a technique used only by "elite warriors who know how to play their class" except it "doesn't work" with ntov wep w/ capped haste

It does work with top tier weapons and haste, but regardless the haste cap is 74% in actual classic Everquest (and for any character Level 50 or lower), where the technique originated and was being used by the best Warriors. The game is not just Level 60 with max haste. Even at 60 with good gear there will be times a Warrior doesn't have max haste, particularly for a solo challenge.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So I revisited this in KC, and as anticipated the attention put on spamming clicking just is too expensive, ruining situational awareness. Fighting a curate, swapping in and out a secondary, but took a while to realise some skeletal guardians were passing and ended up having to train out.

Weird fallacy. Why were you pulling a curate somewhere there would be pathers (soloing I assume)? If you pull properly, then you're just going to be standing there auto attacking until the target dies. If you're just standing around auto attacking, then there is opportunity to weapon swap instead and kill faster. And don't say you're too busy doing other things in groups all the time. In most groups the Warrior is still just standing there doing nothing else while fighting. Some of the most boring gameplay sessions I've had are logging onto a friend's Warrior to help them grind. Weapon swapping was the only thing to do that added dimension. Maybe it's still not fun, but at least I knew I was contributing more.

[Guesty07]

Guys please do not listen to this person. Weapon swap does not exist for anyone but a monk. End of story. Theory quest at its finest

[Toxigen]

bUt muH wEaPon SWapS!!11!!

[Crede]

Ngl This feels a lot like dsms root rotting theory where shamans can root rot 8 mobs at a time and equate to mage dps in a fast killing xp group. Just throwing numbers together and claiming it as reality. I’m sure an hour session of raiding you might see a slight uptick in the first minute but then it would likely level out to the point of worthlessness.

As others have already asked for, let’s see some proof.

[Duik]

Today my lil ranger main hand (lolocaust) punched for 3 points when swapping from 2hs to 2 paw whips. D P S fucking machine.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Okay the fact you aren't doing non-weapon to primary, 2hs to 1hs (bagged), 1hs to secondary, 1hs to 2hs (bagged), 2hs to primary as your cycle ...

You're confused about something. There's no need to have a lightstone, you just press a button to swing the offhand once after equipping it, there shouldn't be a risk of auto attack eating that next primary swing.

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does it add so much time? Having a lightstone on your cursor when you unequip the 2hs doesn’t seem a big deal?

I suppose it doesn't take more clicks itself to include the lightstone in the rotation. Hadn't used that before, but now I see what you mean. However, there might be more lag, clicking an item into already equipped primary slot, instead of just putting the 2-hander in. Would need to test that.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh I understand the mechanic. Meljeldin haste capped is 19 delay or just under 2 seconds to complete the cycle. So you're trading MH ratio for a free offhand swing if you execute w/o robotic flawlessness.

Hello, reading comprehension? I already said people probably shouldn't be doing this with a haste capped Meljeldin (unless using macro). It should be 42+ delay weapon used, unless having less haste. And no, you clearly didn't understand the mechanic with what you wrote before.

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if anyone cared that much to sit there stationary and hit 2 buttons they would just be on a rogue.

What a silly fallacy. Warriors and Rangers want to maximize their DPS, it has nothing to do with being a Rogue. Even besides that, EQ melee combat without weapon swapping generally just equates to standing around and doing almost no actual actions/movement anyway.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're confused about something. There's no need to have a lightstone, you just press a button to swing the offhand once after equipping it, there shouldn't be a risk of auto attack eating that next primary swing.



I suppose it doesn't take more clicks itself to include the lightstone in the rotation. Hadn't used that before, but now I see what you mean. However, there might be more lag, clicking an item into already equipped primary slot, instead of just putting the 2-hander in. Would need to test that.



Hello, reading comprehension? I already said people probably shouldn't be doing this with a haste capped Meljeldin (unless using macro). It should be 42+ delay weapon used, unless having less haste. And no, you clearly didn't understand the mechanic with what you wrote before.



What a silly fallacy. Warriors and Rangers want to maximize their DPS, it has nothing to do with being a Rogue. Even besides that, EQ melee combat without weapon swapping generally just equates to standing around and doing almost no actual actions/movement anyway.

Do you have 1 single parse?