the i dont care about politics anymore thread

[Elizondo]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please help me sealion Elizondo into telling us how old he thinks the Earth is, so far the results of merely asking have been spectacular.

I have a t-shirt from the Ark Experience, my irony poisoning is terminal

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[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you think you're gonna get American citizens to do those jobs?

Can start by paying them more

Refusing to work in order to force a wage increase is a smart tactic, I’ve never had a problem with it


It’s just now Dems, of all people for some reason, try to fall back on BUT MUH CAPITALISM REQUIRES BORDERLINE SLAVE LABOR FOR [x] INDUSTRY TO NOT FAIL

Sort of like how they go BUT MUH PRIVATE COMPANY when a private company does something they like

But no, let’s instead of paying American citizens more let’s have millions of people stream across an invisible line undocumented, with unknown medical issues or criminal histories, and unknown intentions and possessions, and hope that a decent chunk of them will streal those jobs for $3/hour because MUH CAPITALISM

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can start by paying them more

Refusing to work in order to force a wage increase is a smart tactic, I’ve never had a problem with it


It’s just now Dems, of all people for some reason, try to fall back on BUT MUH CAPITALISM REQUIRES BORDERLINE SLAVE LABOR FOR [x] INDUSTRY TO NOT FAIL

Sort of like how they go BUT MUH PRIVATE COMPANY when a private company does something they like

But no, let’s instead of paying American citizens more let’s have millions of people stream across an invisible line undocumented, with unknown medical issues or criminal histories, and unknown intentions and possessions, and hope that a decent chunk of them will streal those jobs for $3/hour because MUH CAPITALISM

Would you rather have cheaper food or higher wages?

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can start by paying them more

Refusing to work in order to force a wage increase is a smart tactic, I’ve never had a problem with it


It’s just now Dems, of all people for some reason, try to fall back on BUT MUH CAPITALISM REQUIRES BORDERLINE SLAVE LABOR FOR [x] INDUSTRY TO NOT FAIL

Sort of like how they go BUT MUH PRIVATE COMPANY when a private company does something they like

But no, let’s instead of paying American citizens more let’s have millions of people stream across an invisible line undocumented, with unknown medical issues or criminal histories, and unknown intentions and possessions, and hope that a decent chunk of them will streal those jobs for $3/hour because MUH CAPITALISM

So, would you support an increase in the Federal minimum wage?

Are you also implying that if immigration was somehow under control, that employers would see the light on their own and start raising wages to compete with other employers?

Maybe the Republicans raise the Federal minimum wage someday when there's enough widespread poverty that people are camping out on the golf courses, but I have precisely zero faith in the idea that employers will raise wages in the right conditions. The only reason I've personally seen wages go up towards the bottom of the spectrum is due to the pandemic.

Around here, those higher wages that were being offered during the pandemic have already sunken down to nearly their pre-pandemic levels. The McDonald's down the street has a sign up that says it is hiring at $11/hour, they're still understaffed as hell. As they should be at that pay rate.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would you rather have cheaper food or higher wages?

If more expensive food means not breaking the law then I’d rather pay more for food

It’s like let’s just stop all health standard laws too. Food is more expensive when you have to prepare it ethically and follow some annoying heath codes

Remove the health codes and we can save a lot of money

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by Basanos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, would you support an increase in the Federal minimum wage?

Are you also implying that if immigration was somehow under control, that employers would see the light on their own and start raising wages to compete with other employers?

Maybe the Republicans raise the Federal minimum wage someday when there's enough widespread poverty that people are camping out on the golf courses, but I have precisely zero faith in the idea that employers will raise wages in the right conditions. The only reason I've personally seen wages go up towards the bottom of the spectrum is due to the pandemic.

Around here, those higher wages that were being offered during the pandemic have already sunken down to nearly their pre-pandemic levels. The McDonald's down the street has a sign up that says it is hiring at $11/hour, they're still understaffed as hell. As they should be at that pay rate.

I don’t know enough about min wage, it confuses me

For example, in my state min wage is still ridiculously low, but no one pays that. Every fast food restaurant I’ve seen are advertising starting at $16+/hour

Technically an employer would have to raise wages in order to keep the business running, unless the CEO wants to scrub the toilets himself. But it doesn’t play out that way when there’s this never ending pool of under the table dirt cheap labor

The invisible hand would normally be correcting the labor supply/demand price ideally

[unsunghero]

It’s just weird because it reminds me of our busted healthcare system

Both parties acknowledge it has problems but only the republicans seem to be frequently saying “well yea but it’s probably not going to get any better and it’s too hard to change so…./shrug” while the Dems call for healthcare reform

Yet for our underground low skill labor market both parties seem to go “well yea but it’s probably not going to get any better and it’s too hard/expensive to fix so…./shrug”

Very picky regarding one’s battles

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It’s just weird because it reminds me of our busted healthcare system

Both parties acknowledge it has problems but only the republicans seem to be frequently saying “well yea but it’s probably not going to get any better and it’s too hard to change so…./shrug” while the Dems call for healthcare reform

Yet for our underground low skill labor market both parties seem to go “well yea but it’s probably not going to get any better and it’s too hard/expensive to fix so…./shrug”

Very picky regarding one’s battles

The two things are related, labor to healthcare. The fact that your healthcare is tied to your employment status, for the average person, is not a mistake. This gives employers enormous leverage over you.

In our case, for example, the fact that I'm still technically employed, and thus insured, is totally a decision by my decent boss. There's no law requiring them to do that. They're covering my healthcare premiums while we deal with this, despite the fact that I work zero hours.

Protections built into ACA are the only reason my wife hasn't lost her job, that whole pre-existing conditions thing, and is therefore insured. If we weren't, the bills we have would already be in the millions.

I'd think more capitalists would support, at least, detaching healthcare from our employers, but I have personally never seen that argument from anyone on the right. Maybe I just missed it. All I ever see from the right myself is "we should get costs down" but nobody ever seems to have any idea how.

The fact that healthcare is tied to employment in America is not only unethical, and actively causing harm to Americans, it's anti-competitive. Then again, this pandemic and the last six years or so have taught me many Americans do not understand capitalism, socialism, or even feudalism.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If more expensive food means not breaking the law then I’d rather pay more for food

It’s like let’s just stop all health standard laws too. Food is more expensive when you have to prepare it ethically and follow some annoying heath codes

Remove the health codes and we can save a lot of money

I think there is a moral imperative in producing as much food as reasonably possible.

In other words, fuck the law. 😼

[Basanos]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think there is a moral imperative in producing as much food as reasonably possible.

That's only gonna get more pronounced as various climate crises force more and more people out of countries closer to the equator, too. Fortress America is already on its way