Tired of Diddly

Steven01 · #1 11-10-2022, 11:07 AM

Diddly doesn't port up he just camps in zone.. is not there a rule for this?
Its honestly dumb its meant to be a raid zone.

Toxigen · #2 11-10-2022, 11:16 AM

first

Chortles Snortles · #3 11-10-2022, 12:25 PM

whats stopping you from camping there first [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

loramin · #4 11-10-2022, 12:30 PM

What's dumb is that it's so safe for Enchanters to solo here on P99 (unlike on live) that they can do incredibly unclassic things like farm hate solo.

If we fixed all the unclassic stuff about Enchanters (eg. we made channeling classic again, as our classic researchers have reported) then Diddly, Itrains, Maxxed, and all the other Hate farmers would die so often that they'd give up trying to farm it.

In short, if we make the mechanics classic, the environment (ie. only guilds raiding Hate) will follow ... but unfortunately Nilbog seems slow to address these issues, so we're stuck with an unclassic Plane of Hate (and Enchanters in general).

HalflingWarrior · #5 11-11-2022, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What's dumb is that it's so safe for Enchanters to solo here on P99 (unlike on live) that they can do incredibly unclassic things like farm hate solo.

If we fixed all the unclassic stuff about Enchanters (eg. we made channeling classic again, as our classic researchers have reported) then Diddly, Itrains, Maxxed, and all the other Hate farmers would die so often that they'd give up trying to farm it.

In short, if we make the mechanics classic, the environment (ie. only guilds raiding Hate) will follow ... but unfortunately Nilbog seems slow to address these issues, so we're stuck with an unclassic Plane of Hate (and Enchanters in general).

One of the stronger arguments for unclassicness. Hate was not a "Chanter Solo Zone" during classic.

PatChapp · #6 11-11-2022, 12:26 PM

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One of the stronger arguments for unclassicness. Hate was not a "Chanter Solo Zone" during classic.

Even though something wasn't done,doesn't mean it wasn't possible.
I leveled my shadowknights to 49 before kunark dropped, I didn't know there was an xp penalty, I was 13
People know the game mechanics a lot more in depth now

loramin · #7 11-11-2022, 01:08 PM

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Even though something wasn't done,doesn't mean it wasn't possible.
I leveled my shadowknights to 49 before kunark dropped, I didn't know there was an xp penalty, I was 13
People know the game mechanics a lot more in depth now

Sure, Enchanters on live soloed Hate, so it was definitely possible ... during Planes of Power.

But show me any evidence that they did so even during the Luclin era (with AA's like Dire Charm, spells like KEI, etc.), let alone during the classic era.

I'm willing to bet $5 neither you, nor a good classic researcher, can even find such evidence ... despite Live having what: 10? 20? times as many servers as we have? All full of Necros wanting books, Mages wanting Hate staffs (even just per server, live had far more mages without epics than we have, because they didn't even know how the quest worked until Kunark was nearly done), and so on.

It's not that it wasn't done because it was possible, and no one tried it ... it wasn't done because things that are possible in our emulator weren't possible on live.

Gustoo · #8 11-11-2022, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, Enchanters on live soloed Hate, so it was definitely possible ... during Planes of Power.

But show me any evidence that they did so even during the Luclin era (with AA's like Dire Charm, spells like KEI, etc.), let alone during the classic era.

I'm willing to bet $5 neither you, nor a good classic researcher, can even find such evidence ... despite Live having what: 10? 20? times as many servers as we have? All full of Necros wanting books, Mages wanting Hate staffs (even just per server, live had far more mages without epics than we have, because they didn't even know how the quest worked until Kunark was nearly done), and so on.

It's not that it wasn't done because it was possible, and no one tried it ... it wasn't done because things that are possible in our emulator weren't possible on live.

correct

zelld52 · #9 11-11-2022, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, Enchanters on live soloed Hate, so it was definitely possible ... during Planes of Power.

But show me any evidence that they did so even during the Luclin era (with AA's like Dire Charm, spells like KEI, etc.), let alone during the classic era.

I'm willing to bet $5 neither you, nor a good classic researcher, can even find such evidence ... despite Live having what: 10? 20? times as many servers as we have? All full of Necros wanting books, Mages wanting Hate staffs (even just per server, live had far more mages without epics than we have, because they didn't even know how the quest worked until Kunark was nearly done), and so on.

It's not that it wasn't done because it was possible, and no one tried it ... it wasn't done because things that are possible in our emulator weren't possible on live.

Have the last 20 years of people obsessing over this game meant nothing?

But seriously, all you have to do is look towards a community like speed-running. People are still breaking high scores and times for games released 40 years ago. (Pac-Man, Donkey Kong)

It's because the more time something is out, the more people will eventually pick it up and tinker with it. And then someone figures out some trick that no-one thought of before and starts using it. And that trick gets passed down - and then more time goes by, and someone else picks up the trick and starts tinkering with it. And then someone figures out some trick that no-one thought of before and starts using it. And that trick gets passed down - and then more time goes by, and someone else picks up the trick and starts tinkering with it. And then someone figures out some trick that no-one thought of before and starts using it....

It's far inside the realm of possibility that people are using tricks now that nobody thought of, and are using them to cheese aspects of this game.

I certainly hope that's the case, and not that people are just recycling the same tactics from 23 years ago when servers had thousands of concurrent players at a time

cd288 · #10 11-11-2022, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure, Enchanters on live soloed Hate, so it was definitely possible ... during Planes of Power.

But show me any evidence that they did so even during the Luclin era (with AA's like Dire Charm, spells like KEI, etc.), let alone during the classic era.

I'm willing to bet $5 neither you, nor a good classic researcher, can even find such evidence ... despite Live having what: 10? 20? times as many servers as we have? All full of Necros wanting books, Mages wanting Hate staffs (even just per server, live had far more mages without epics than we have, because they didn't even know how the quest worked until Kunark was nearly done), and so on.

It's not that it wasn't done because it was possible, and no one tried it ... it wasn't done because things that are possible in our emulator weren't possible on live.

TLDR: Whiney post about how peoples’ laggy internet connections and laggy computers in general plus lack of game knowledge means something must be incorrect in mechanics today.

There are countless camps on P99 that are constantly camped, but were rarely camped anywhere near this extent on live. That must mean the drops in those camps are unclassic on this server.