Can we talk about the future of P99?

[Jimjam]

I like how this conversation goes in circles like green’s recycle is supposed to.

[Wiltan]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So don't reset. Just merge it into Blue, which has been the plan of the project the entire time

It was the plan of the project for a minute five or six years ago. No reason to ruin Blue just because a vocal minority is bored.

[Wiltan]

Originally Posted by kylok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's why you do it on it's own server. If people know it's going to happen ahead of time they can make an informed decision. Sometimes it's about the fun we have along the way and less about having a toon we can stare at on char select for 15 years knowing they've got best in slot.

So your solution to supposed server health issues is to create a new temporary server a handful of folks would go to knowing that their characters would be deleted from that server after a few years.

Solid idea. Five stars, no notes.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Wiltan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was the plan of the project for a minute five or six years ago. No reason to ruin Blue just because a vocal minority is bored.

Has there been anything explicitly communicating that plan changed?

Don't you reckon many green players are server hoppers (evidenced by them leaving blue for green) so you don’t really need to worry about them rejoining blue, if that is your problem?

[Wiltan]

Explicitly? Not that I've been able to find. I can only find the one or two times the idea of a future merge was mentioned before Green ever launched. But clearly circumstances have changed: besides the obvious negative impact a merge would have on both servers' communities, economies, and raid scenes, the most obvious impediment is that the devs are gone.

Assuming that everyone that is currently on green is a server hopper is crazypants. Yes, some folks hopped over there because it was the new shiny thing, but plenty of people started over there (because despite all this talk of dead servers, new folks join P99 all the time). Additionally, a lot of those server hoppers might have wanted to finally experience a brand new server, because maybe they missed that on Live. Now they have, and don't feel like starting all over again on P99 a third time.

Anyway, the TL;DR of all of this comes down to a combination of if it ain't broke, don't fix it plus I don't accept the premise that the server is broken and needs fixing plus there aren't devs here any more to do these things, so there's not much point talking about it anyway.

To your earlier point about the conversation going in circles, you're right. I've taken my spin around the loop and I've said my piece. See you on the other side.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by Wiltan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was the plan of the project for a minute five or six years ago. No reason to ruin Blue just because a vocal minority is bored.

First, it wasn't for a minute. The staff said it was the plan and then said they would consider not doing it if server pop remained what it was.

Second, ruin Blue? I'm not here arguing that either server is entirely dead, but Blue is definitely desperate for more population. Very difficult to level, even in the largest guilds on the server most people are not leveling lower level alts...the vast majority of PUGs (from guild or just randoms) that I've been in in the last 18 months are in the level 50 range - and I'm talking like 95%. The economy is basically dead except for high level/big ticket items. Green is not quite as bad, but it's not far off that either.

I think you're just nervous about more competition in the raid scene (which will be minimized to some extent by the fact that a lot of Blue raiders are also in the Green raiding guilds, so they'll likely merge to some degree).

[Toxigen]

There is no downside to a merge.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is no downside to a merge.

Do you really want THOSE green in the FACE sick FUCKS doing an MQ of their DISGUSTING green PLANKS to our virgin BLUE rangers?!

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by Wiltan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The whole "reset" thing devalues all the efforts folks have put into advancing their characters though.

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[Allishia]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First, it wasn't for a minute. The staff said it was the plan and then said they would consider not doing it if server pop remained what it was.

Second, ruin Blue? I'm not here arguing that either server is entirely dead, but Blue is definitely desperate for more population. Very difficult to level, even in the largest guilds on the server most people are not leveling lower level alts...the vast majority of PUGs (from guild or just randoms) that I've been in in the last 18 months are in the level 50 range - and I'm talking like 95%. The economy is basically dead except for high level/big ticket items. Green is not quite as bad, but it's not far off that either.

I think you're just nervous about more competition in the raid scene (which will be minimized to some extent by the fact that a lot of Blue raiders are also in the Green raiding guilds, so they'll likely merge to some degree).

Last paragraph hit nail on the head imo. Only reason not to want merge is fear of competition in raid scene /nod

We need a merge even for group content on blue, KC primetime has 1 or 2 groups if lucky...it's depressing. Both servers are suffering population wise, it's not even close to 2000 people anymore even with both servers combined. Will only get worse once quarm releases luclin and more migrate over.