Making a Warrior

[Naethyn]

Once again we are comparing warriors vs every other class at once. My point is that warriors have access to more relevant abilities that each individual class can lack. It truly is about diversity.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Volume of items is irrelevant. Diversity is not inherently valuable. What matters is which ones are impactful and valuable to have. The overwhelming majority of procs and clickies in this game are worthless garbage that nobody cares about. For warriors in particular, most of their procs give them a worse alternative to things that other classes can do better without needing to rely on an item for it. For instance, weapons with aggro procs are not some kind of advantage warriors have over knights. Knights don't care if their weapons have aggro procs because they don't need them. For that reason, aggro procs aren't some sort of asset specific to the warrior class. As such, it's illogical to measure the power of a class by the sheer number of weapons with procs that it has available to it. That's an intellectual fallacy. It's like saying the Special Olympics offers a greater display of athleticism than the regular olympics because there's a greater diversity between the athletes.

Example:

Warrior has a larger number of items with clicky invis than an SK does. However, the SK has an instant-click one, and can also cast the spell themselves without relying on any item. By your logic, the warrior's invis options are better simply because their list of items is longer. That clearly isn't true, though.

-What a silly analogy when all classes technically have and instant invisible clickable for a measly 10 pp.
https://wiki.project1999.com/Cloudy_Potion

(I forget isn't Ring of Shadows instant invis, open to everyone, not lore and rechargeable too? meh, whatever.)

-Oh due to the change one of the best procing hate generators is Rage of Vallon.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(I am really not sure why there is such an incisive need to belittle the warrior class lately. Is it that popular to joining the enjchanter pity parade?)

Procs and Crippling blows are a lot of fun and with the right gear and party you can sit back and watch the numbers. Because exp parties are serious business, right?! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I see Warriors in a unique role and have a chance at being one of the staple position of a guild and raid -> when you are there it is a lot of responsibility and empowering.

And sometime it isn't for a lot of people.[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[greatdane]

I was illustrating the fallacy of his argument, not pointing to a tangible scenario. The point is: the number of procs available to a class does not directly translate into greater options for that class than what's available to other classes. In that particular case, I was pointing out that having a larger number of invis clickies isn't some inherent advantage when, as you note, invis clickies are easy to come by and available in equal and/or better ways to other classes.

Procs being "fun" has no bearing in the discussion about which class has access to the most useful procs and clickies. The objectively most fun proc would be one that forcibly plays a loud fart sound on all clients within earshot. That doesn't make it a good proc.

I don't know where crippling blows entered the conversation.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by greatdane [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was illustrating the fallacy of his argument, not pointing to a tangible scenario. The point is: the number of procs available to a class does not directly translate into greater options for that class than what's available to other classes. In that particular case, I was pointing out that having a larger number of invis clickies isn't some inherent advantage when, as you note, invis clickies are easy to come by and available in equal and/or better ways to other classes.

Procs being "fun" has no bearing in the discussion about which class has access to the most useful procs and clickies. The objectively most fun proc would be one that forcibly plays a loud fart sound on all clients within earshot. That doesn't make it a good proc.

I don't know where crippling blows entered the conversation.

A proc can be fun and be good. Like Rage of Vallon.

And crippling blows start to 'proc' at lower life; the frequency maybe based on the same stat.

Either way warriors get a ton of fun and "good" procs.

I see from your past posts you argue a lot for the value of an Shadow Knight. You may even be a bit bias.