Paladin Charisma or Stamina

[Barlu]

Agree that charisma is the best option based on what you are looking to do. If deciding between high elf and half elf would definitely recommend high elf. The high wisdom and charisma help a lot. It is very hard to max strength and stamina on a high elf with 70 base, but almost irrelevant unless raiding. I don’t think I ever died going toe to toe with a mob, but you’ll have some problems on a crit lull fail in a dungeon.

As Toxigen said, lots of DS pots and make sure you get a deepwater bp. Things will die slower with such low strength on a high elf and you’ll take more damage, but recovery time between mobs is stupid fast with a deep water bp. Solo’d my high elf pally to 60 mostly in dungeons and it was a lot of fun. Also a much faster solo experience than most people give it credit for. Once you get Enstill at 54, your margin for error goes way up since you can root and camp unless you get really unlucky with resists.

[Zuranthium]

Originally Posted by Balimon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: Don't go half elf unless you want for fashion they have pretty bad stats overall, human, high elf and erudite and stronger choices.

I don't think Half Elf is that bad, you're -15 Wisdom compared to a Human but I could see preferring Infravision to that if you're truly starting with nothing. Being blind in the dark can suck if you're not surrounded by a bunch of other people in the same boat.

Dwarf is easily the best stats if you don't care about Charisma, like for example planning to play with an Enchanter friend who will already pump that stat and do the Lulling, while you focus on maxing your other abilities. Really in general if you put +20 Charisma into a Dwarf when starting, your overall stats are better than any other race.

I don't like Erudite from a non-aesthetics standpoint. -30 physical stats compared to a Human with the only upside being +5 magic resist.

Originally Posted by Barlu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is very hard to max strength and stamina on a high elf with 70 base, but almost irrelevant unless raiding. I don’t think I ever died going toe to toe with a mob, but you’ll have some problems on a crit lull fail in a dungeon

Strength is the most important if not raiding IMO, you do more damage, which is always good, and being able to carry more means you make more money.

Crit fail can always happen on lull.

[Barlu]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Half Elf is that bad, you're -15 Wisdom compared to a Human but I could see preferring Infravision to that if you're truly starting with nothing. Being blind in the dark can suck if you're not surrounded by a bunch of other people in the same boat.

Dwarf is easily the best stats if you don't care about Charisma, like for example planning to play with an Enchanter friend who will already pump that stat and do the Lulling, while you focus on maxing your other abilities. Really in general if you put +20 Charisma into a Dwarf when starting, your overall stats are better than any other race.

I don't like Erudite from a non-aesthetics standpoint. -30 physical stats compared to a Human with the only upside being +5 magic resist.



Strength is the most important if not raiding IMO, you do more damage, which is always good, and being able to carry more means you make more money.

Crit fail can always happen on lull.

Irrelevant may have been too strong a word. Strength always helps, and crit lulls can always fail, but having a mob die faster on a pally cause you have more strength just felt different to me than other classes. You heal so fast once the fight is over, it was always more about getting singles in camp. A crit lull and a death, or a camp out and reset seemed to set me back more than an extra strength having a mob die faster. Plus DS pots will make up a pretty decent amount of your damage at higher level.

[Toxigen]

Its really only important when you're solo or in a sub-optimal duo with limited CC.

In a group who cares, yolo pull that shit and tell 'em to git gud.

Also human has a nice mix of stats. Thats what I went anyway.

[Vexenu]

Very good argument for CHA if twinked and mostly soloing, not worth it otherwise. WIS if you want endgame min/max, STA if you just want to tank and do group content

[Snaggles]

This is my pally. Your typical Basic B raid gear, none of which too difficult for most. I put 20 points in STR, 5 AGI. I did this thinking I would never raid due to the toxicity of EQ…but we all get bored eventually and luckily P99 is devoid of that.

https://wiki.project1999.com/Magelo_Blue:Vojun_Zissou

I barely cap STR with Yaulp4 and Focus. I swap out the gloves for the Ragefire ones and my shoulders when I’m not tanking with Imbued Granite Spaulders so I can max attack. Vindi loot, HGL’s, Gozz cloak…all great but no STR. I recall raid buffed with POTG somewhere in the mid 5.7k range. The shield loses hps but 55 AC is often nice to have.

Again, no intent to brag…it’s remarkably average but I’ve fixated on the stam vs raw hps game to make sure raid buffs get me as high as possible. In hindsight if I could take those 20 points back it wouldn’t help me much. At this point in my gearing at least.

As for the damage pot talk, please keep in mind at max duration Kilva’s Skin of Fire at level 60 will cost about 184p/hr. At level 30 the upkeep is about 368/hr and 275p/hr at 45. This and of course having to source them unless you fill up a mule nearby. If you have the resources it’s certainly helpful but compared to burning jaspers with a DW BP is a real Gucci way to burn Norrathian currency…

[Toxigen]

Originally Posted by Snaggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As for the damage pot talk, please keep in mind at max duration Kilva’s Skin of Fire at level 60 will cost about 184p/hr. At level 30 the upkeep is about 368/hr and 275p/hr at 45. This and of course having to source them unless you fill up a mule nearby. If you have the resources it’s certainly helpful but compared to burning jaspers with a DW BP is a real Gucci way to burn Norrathian currency…

its 2024 if you aint burning jaspers and kilvas are you even playing a paladin?

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Toxigen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its 2024 if you aint burning jaspers and kilvas are you even playing a paladin?

True that

[Duik]

Int higher than wis...

Also @snaggles pegy belt is shd only. Just a magelo error or some sort of shenanegans allow u to equip as paly?

[Balimon]

Originally Posted by Zuranthium [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think Half Elf is that bad, you're -15 Wisdom compared to a Human but I could see preferring Infravision to that if you're truly starting with nothing. Being blind in the dark can suck if you're not surrounded by a bunch of other people in the same boat.

I don't think anyone can argue that half elf is has the lowest stat total amongst the races that can choose paladin. 15 wis is not nothing

Combined str/sta/wis/cha stats:

Dwarf: 338
Erudite: 313
Half Elf: 305
High Elf: 325
Human: 330

Dwarf is easily the best stats if you don't care about Charisma, like for example planning to play with an Enchanter friend who will already pump that stat and do the Lulling, while you focus on maxing your other abilities. Really in general if you put +20 Charisma into a Dwarf when starting, your overall stats are better than any other race.

Dwarf definitely has the largest stat pool, but not by a huge margin, and losing 5 to agi at creation makes them even or worse then high elf in my opinion.

I don't like Erudite from a non-aesthetics standpoint. -30 physical stats compared to a Human with the only upside being +5 magic resist.

Definitely second worst choice stat wise.

Strength is the most important if not raiding IMO, you do more damage, which is always good, and being able to carry more means you make more money.

Str is a great stat, I went 20 str at creation and I'm still 90% happy with that decision. It helped me level faster and I'm still not str capped self buffed with yaulp with decent starter raid gear. It's a good choice, if I would swap points around now at 60 I would go charisma because it'd be so much easier to cap it without huge gear swaps.

Crit fail can always happen on lull.

Of course, especially deep in seb or in chardok, but getting 220+ makes a huge difference and everyone who has that much knows this! If you want to solo or pull you absolutely need 200+ charisma and this can be difficult to achieve.