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Old 12-04-2024, 06:26 PM
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It begs the question is DEX being undervalued for end game tanks?

My rogue can pull agro off any warrior I've seen (willsapper/red blade, ect). Using just the zlexak dagger (procs) and epic offhand. Haven't tested it against a tank that has a Sceptre of Destruction, but pretty sure I got them beat too going all in.

The one thing everyone is in agreement on is that proc agro is the most effective way to build the most amount of threat. Maybe the answer lies in optimizing +DEX as much as optimising between the handful of generally agreed upon best agro weapons.

I know, I know...HP and AC are key but just maybe there's some min/maxing that can be done with DEX to build an agro warrior that can rival knights.
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Old 12-04-2024, 06:32 PM
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It begs the question is DEX being undervalued for end game tanks?

My rogue can pull agro off any warrior I've seen (willsapper/red blade, ect). Using just the zlexak dagger (procs) and epic offhand. Haven't tested it against a tank that has a Sceptre of Destruction, but pretty sure I got them beat too going all in.

The one thing everyone is in agreement on is that proc agro is the most effective way to build the most amount of threat. Maybe the answer lies in optimizing +DEX as much as optimising between the handful of generally agreed upon best agro weapons.

I know, I know...HP and AC are key but just maybe there's some min/maxing that can be done with DEX to build an agro warrior that can rival knights.
DEX is not undervalued, it's simply easy to cap in raids. With FoS + DEX Buff or FoS + Avatar you are getting 120-160 DEX from buffs.

All races have at least 70 DEX via starting stats for the Warrior class. All Warriors will have at least 190-230 DEX just with buffs, before you count DEX on equipment. If you picked a race with higher DEX like halfling, you would be at 250 DEX with FoS + Avatar, before counting equipment.
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Old 12-05-2024, 04:10 PM
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It begs the question is DEX being undervalued for end game tanks?

My rogue can pull agro off any warrior I've seen (willsapper/red blade, ect). Using just the zlexak dagger (procs) and epic offhand..
Yeah you are main-handing an aggro proc (dot+snare) on a rogue who also has to think about backstab aggro.

Perhaps choose a different weapon?
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Old 12-05-2024, 05:18 PM
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Yeah you are main-handing an aggro proc (dot+snare) on a rogue who also has to think about backstab aggro.

Perhaps choose a different weapon?
Yeah 100% the current setup on the rogue is not optimal as I have to mitigate DPS to not overtake the tank. I wasn't bringing it up to say I was roguing the best. I was bringing it up as a comparison of a potential opportunity for tanks.

I wouldn't expect main tanks to be max'd on dex as I don't really see them running avatar and assumed their buff spots were too precious to stack FoS and Dex together but maybe this is something the tank community already figured out and decided max dex was valued in maximizing threat, the same conclusion I was arriving to in reading the thread and posing the initial question.
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Old 12-05-2024, 05:18 PM
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Rogues can now use all those poison procs i used to make fun of them for having. Grats!
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Old 12-06-2024, 01:40 AM
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Every 60 warrior MT has 255 Dex during a raid lol
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Old 12-06-2024, 03:14 PM
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Every 60 warrior MT has 255 Dex during a raid lol
^ This.

Also flipping the mob off the MT is less of a brag than you think it is. If BiS rogues and monks can survive a parse so can you. If not…have fun being bad.
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Old 12-06-2024, 03:28 PM
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Yeah I can almost cap dex with just FoS and my gear isn’t great. With VoG and focus I’m 255. While I admit I focused on dex (race, starting stats, and gear) more than a lot of warriors - I also have only a small number of slots filled with raid gear - and many of those that are aren’t highest end at this point.

The problem isn’t warriors not focusing on dex, it’s an issue of a rogue using a primary hand weapon that generates snare threat per proc and 7.5 hate per second that the dot is landed and ticking.

Rogues without threat proc weapons generate enough hate to begin with … much less those that use weapons with proc hate within the same ballpark as a willsapper
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Old 12-08-2024, 09:21 AM
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i find howling cutlass much better aggro than trident or kflame, it's one of the best aggro 1h (n i have almost every 1h in game except sod)

and kflame i agree feels less aggro than trident, and trident doesn't snap aggro like it used to, to me it's more of a stats stick with "some" aggro and it is tough to hold aggro against monk/rog
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Old 12-08-2024, 11:19 AM
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What about weekend warriors on a budget who cant swap in a primal to max dex? Can you really rely on procs outside of raids if you don't have crazy dex?

Something like a jade mace MH until you can get an infestation or crescend blade of luclin and frostbringer offhand?

Some people talked about frostbringer MH but I've seen that idea ripped on in other similar threads saying frostbringer's delay is just way too slow for a main hand. 18 delay weapons have better average damage and will generate more swing aggro.

I know for DPS 2hb beats almost any 1hb combo so if you can't rely on procs should you just go peacebringer/IFS/shovel to lean hard on white damage?
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