14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What happened was I found someone who was doing something he shouldn't have been, crossed the "thin blue line" and promptly found myself un-employable in that particular field.

If true, Im sorry about that.

cops very often get the short end of the stick, and then they turn around and get shit on by the public, and then they get clicky among their own ranks with an us vs. them mentality, and then they go to hard on the public, and the cycle perpetuates itself.

If you did serve with distinction, i do apologize, if you didnt, this is null and void.

you could always go work for some small town PD or a Demorat city PD, dirty cops (not saying you) always pull that kinda shit. They get fired in houston, then go work in austin etc etc.

[unsunghero]

Oh and when I meant killing someone using a knife, I don’t mean someone who had a baton or combat stick because then I don’t know the strat as well

It’s meant on how to kill an unarmed person with a knife. Obviously that is an insanely stacked fight to begin with, but the method of pulling them with their shirt into your thrusts is the one where all the “how to stop a knife attack” strats break down and fall apart, since most rely on either lateral movement away to the non-knife side, which can’t happen when they are being held by their shirt and pulled into the knife, or trapping the knife wrist which is extremely hard to do at that angle

[starkind]

That's why they always get naked in dune.

[Jibartik]

Danth is a pretty straight shooter IMO

[starkind]

Standing behind Danth and Jibartik.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Thanks Trex, good enough. We're cool. Appreciate it.

I didn't get "fired," just wasn't locked in a full-time position yet (reality of small town PD's as you probably know, most the guys are formally part-time, especially the newer hires) and shock of shocks couldn't get hours afterward. I didn't push it too hard after that, I'm not stupid and I didn't want to make a bigger problem out of it, nosed around a little, found it going noplace, so I turned direction and did other things with my life instead. Neither can I say I worked with any real "distinction"....wasn't working that job long enough for that, either. Just your usual nondescript work, traffic stops, crashes, lot of drunks, some domestics, etc. I'm not a scumbag but I ain't claiming to be a hero, either, just some dude who was starting out in life, thought that make a pretty good career since the idea of a desk job makes me want to throw up, and life ended up having other ideas.

Danth

[unsunghero]

Gotta get ready for a date (seeing the new Top Gun), but I wanted to post my new preferred weapon vs a knife

This one is meant for practice, the ones my dad and I used to have were thicker and shorter

I’d love to have someone strap on a full suit of body armor with a plastic knife and see how bashed up they get vs me with this before they can land a good cut

Only problem is: can’t conceal it or justify having it for anything other than violence. So starkind’s cane idea almost makes more sense. Or a baseball bat

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Gotta get ready for a date (seeing the new Top Gun), but I wanted to post my new preferred weapon vs a knife

This one is meant for practice, the ones my dad and I used to have were thicker and shorter

I’d love to have someone strap on a full suit of body armor with a plastic knife and see how bashed up they get vs me with this before they can land a good cut

Only problem is: can’t conceal it or justify having it for anything other than violence. So starkind’s cane idea almost makes more sense. Or a baseball bat

from 10 feet I'd be inside your swing range in 3 or less steps. Your weapon is agile, but yet still cumbersome, with how you have to position your arms and hands, your swings are predictable, so you're likely gonna come down at my head/shoulders, or swing wide at my torso/thighs. In either case I can wield my knife, and "actually catch" your bo staff, temporarily gaining control of it with it pinned between arm and body, or arm and shoulder, at which point I am able to place my knife anywhere, if I still am not close enough to your body, I can slash your arm/hand which will cause you to release the grip of the staff, then I go for the effective move.

So try to use your bo staff like a fist, and jab the blunt end into my throat, stomach or groin (in that order) Of course I will try to deflect or parry, but you will have opportunities for follow up shots that a wide swing recovery will not allow.

This is all taught in modern army basic, but sometimes I like to watch the old training videos, its hilarious how they make such light levity out of deadly hand-to-hand combat, because back in 1940, even when you were teaching 17 year old boys how to rip a jap's throat out, they still had to make videos that avoided this grim reality. When i went through it, instructors were like, "If you fuck this up, then you die and you're a waste of my time" they said that alot.

[Danth]

That was a very good video you linked. My old man was in the Navy Seabees during the war; from what I gathered they went to the same boot camp the Marines did, but weren't treated quite so poorly (Dad repeatedly described the Marines as being treated "worse than dogs," in his words.). Likely as not he would've seen that video.

Main thing that applies to civilian situations is--move. Don't have lead feet. Best way to not be injured by a weapon is be someplace it isn't. I agree about keeping the club/baton/whatever between you and the other man as much as possible. Dramatic wide swings not only leave you wide open but also look really bad if someone else catches it on camera and shows it to jury sympathetic to the other side.

The situation of an assailant attacking with surprise from within ~10 feet is sticky business. Even if you have a pistol, you don't have time to react and draw. Got any ideas about that?

Danth

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That was a very good video you linked. My old man was in the Navy Seabees during the war; from what I gathered they went to the same boot camp the Marines did, but weren't treated quite so poorly (Dad repeatedly described the Marines as being treated "worse than dogs," in his words.). Likely as not he would've seen that video.

Main thing that applies to civilian situations is--move. Don't have lead feet. Best way to not be injured by a weapon is be someplace it isn't. I agree about keeping the club/baton/whatever between you and the other man as much as possible. Dramatic wide swings not only leave you wide open but also look really bad if someone else catches it on camera and shows it to jury sympathetic to the other side.

The situation of an assailant attacking with surprise from within ~10 feet is sticky business. Even if you have a pistol, you don't have time to react and draw. Got any ideas about that?

Danth

Yeah i love how those old training videos work so hard to avoid describing the actual horror of having to kill with a knife. I dunno what good that would have done, because those boys in ww2 would see those videos, go through their training, and then have to apply it against Japs who felt like it was their duty to die, as long as they took an american down with them. just a total disconnect from reality.

Well forgetting the uhh forget the specific names, the plastic holsters with the quick release, Thats a fast draw, and even if you have to draw from a leather holster with a strap holding the weapon in place, or say from an ankle holster, you'll drop straight down and roll onto your back, buying you that 1.5 second to draw.

If im carrying and I get jumped up close, ~10 feet, my first instinct is gonna be to put my body between them and the gun, if its on my right hip, I'll put my left hip into the assailant. making quick shots at the throat, or pushing my fingers into their eye sockets, at the same time I would want to draw with my right, and press the muzzle into their center mass and double tap.

thats if I feel like deadly force is required, if some unarmed idiot is tryin to start a shoving match, im just gonna step on one of their feet, then push them to the ground and nicely, I mean it, Nicely advise that they change their course of action. I would then state that nobody really wants to fight. Back in the day I was disappointed that I never got a "downrange" deployment. These days I am thankful that I was never put into a position where I had to kill another human.

De-escalation is always better than someone ending up dead, even if its some shit bag street punk who would kill you, given the chance.

Of course this is all typed out from the comforts of my home, real world situations are dynamic and fast changing, with adrenaline surging through your brain while fight or flight instincts try to take over.

Can't ever be sure how you will perform, until faced with another person who intends to cause you harm.

I've had my share of brawls, and formal training, so this is me speaking from that experience. There was one time that some dude drove up and pulled a gun on my friends and I while drinking on a porch, we just went inside and called the cops.