14 Children and Teacher Killed in Texas Elementary School Shooting

[Trexller]

there is a huge problem with collapsible batons. in any bodily location where they are non-lethal, they are absolutely ineffective, in any location where they could stop an assailant, they are like 95% lethal.

I've heard cops say that the best use for their baton is to scratch their back while wearing their vests.

If you wanna use a collapsible baton to stop a person, you have to crack their skull, eye socket, etc. It doesn't do shit against knee/elbow joints, it doesnt have the inertial mass to do so.

It's supposed to be a non-lethal takedown weapon, but it doesn't do jack shit unless lethal force is applied. and it cannot lock down an arm or a leg any better than arms or hands would. Moreover, given its length and proximity to the assailant, it can easily be taken from you.

Yeah its made of metal, so what? its hollow, it doesnt have the weight needed to knock someone to the ground unless they are off balance.

look up some youtube vids from actual martial arts instructors, the collapsible baton is useless by its own design. I'd go back to the side handle "T baton".

Time to invest in auto-reloading tazers, with variable voltage.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Trexller [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there is a huge problem with collapsible batons. in any bodily location where they are non-lethal, they are absolutely ineffective, in any location where they could stop an assailant, they are like 95% lethal.

I've heard cops say that the best use for their baton is to scratch their back while wearing their vests.

If you wanna use a collapsible baton to stop a person, you have to crack their skull, eye socket, etc. It doesn't do shit against knee/elbow joints, it doesnt have the inertial mass to do so.

It's supposed to be a non-lethal takedown weapon, but it doesn't do jack shit unless lethal force is applied. and it cannot lock down an arm or a leg any better than arms or hands would. Moreover, given its length and proximity to the assailant, it can easily be taken from you.

Yeah its made of metal, so what? its hollow, it doesnt have the weight needed to knock someone to the ground unless they are off balance.

look up some youtube vids from actual martial arts instructors, the collapsible baton is useless by its own design. I'd go back to the side handle "T baton".

Time to invest in auto-reloading tazers, with variable voltage.

Yeah. You need lenght or mass and then we are at macequest. I agree with the 95% aspect.

[starkind]

Blunt force trauma gives blood clots and also causes toxicity from dying cells. Healthy ppl usually survive this if it's not in the head, covering over a 3rd of their body or doesn't crush their femur or cause a boney bit to sever and artery or puncture a lung.

It's plenty lethal, just not sometimes immediately so.

That said people will beat the shit out of eachother and strike head, neck, callors, kidneys eyes and shit with batons, staffs, and poles lol.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Blunt force trauma gives blood clots and also causes toxicity from dying cells. Healthy ppl usually survive this if it's not in the head, covering over a 3rd of their body or doesn't crush their femur or cause a boney bit to sever and artery or puncture a lung.

It's plenty lethal, just not sometimes immediately so.

That said people will beat the shit out of eachother and strike head, neck, callors, kidneys eyes and shit with batons, staffs, and poles lol.

I'm pretty good with a bo staff.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm pretty good with a bo staff.

U can get ppl on the ground with them. Stick a sharp heavy blade on one end and you're winning. Remember that spear vs sword video?

[starkind]

Collapsible batons are critical strike only I agree. Carry a hard cane with a steel rod inside and steel handle over that.

[unsunghero]

Ya missing a catch on a combat stick, if not a baton, is broken fingers for sure

[Danth]

Originally Posted by unsunghero [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ya missing a catch on a combat stick, if not a baton, is broken fingers for sure

Hah, no kidding. Does well to remember that while we nominally speak the same language, we're not all from the same regions or had the same upbringings and don't always use words in quite the same way. I say a dude caught a bullet in the face, I certainly don't mean to imply he shrugged it off and got back up.

Now let's see if Trex can back off a bit, admit his mistake, say "sorry" and we can all laugh off a misunderstanding and move on, or if he'll play pretend prison, refuse to show weakness and double down.

[Trexller]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hah, no kidding. Does well to remember that while we nominally speak the same language, we're not all from the same regions or had the same upbringings and don't always use words in quite the same way. I say a dude caught a bullet in the face, I certainly don't mean to imply he shrugged it off and got back up.

Now let's see if Trex can back off a bit, admit his mistake, say "sorry" and we can all laugh off a misunderstanding and move on, or if he'll play pretend prison, refuse to show weakness and double down.

im not picking apart your vernacular, I am assaulting your claim of "used to be a cop"

it smells like bullshit. you talk like any average police procedural viewer.

[Danth]

You have an odd collection of some insight married to pointless aggression. As you guess, I wasn't in that field for ALL that long, after academy, a bit less than a year of actual work. What happened was I found someone who was doing something he shouldn't have been, crossed the "thin blue line" and promptly found myself un-employable in that particular field. I've never had occasion to feel I made a mistake though--I'd make the same choice. So, no, I'm not a lifer, and nor did I ever claim to be one.

I do expect an apology for the stolen valor crap. That's a serious accusation, dead wrong, and unwarranted. I expect better from you.

Danth