End Times

[Jibartik]

respecting wishes is not murder

going out of your way to make sure they are out of revenge so that he dies, is.

I dont need to explain this its literally the villain's behavior in every movie ever

lets not even forget the person who went above and beyond her call of duty to make sure harm happened that day, swore an oath to do no harm.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

respecting wishes is not murder

going out of your way to make sure they are out of revenge so that he dies, is.

I dont need to explain this its literally the villain's behavior in every movie ever

lets not even forget the person who went above and beyond her call of duty that day was a nurse.

He didn't go out of his way. The guy refused treatment which then caused collateral to the collective. All the nurse did was communicate the guys wishes.

At some point you pull the plug.

The likely outcome or survival of someone who's o2 sat is in the 70s, and collapses requiring a code AFTER refusing treatment, who would likely then refuse treatment again is so extremely low, and bad, that more people would have been harmed or put at risk just to buy this asshole a week of barely conciousness misery. At the cost of precious resources patients who want to live need. Not to mention the likely malicious intent of his noncompliance.

It's time to outgrow your childish notion that this man could have been saved and was not a danger to themselves and others just as if he was blindly firing a loaded pistol into a crowd.

Get over it. It's how people go insane and die during the end times. You will see a lot more before its over.

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didn't go out of his way. The guy refused treatment which then caused collateral to the collective. All the nurse did was communicate the guys wishes.

At some point you pull the plug.

The likely outcome or survival of someone who's o2 sat is in the 70s, and collapses requiring a code AFTER refusing treatment, who would likely then refuse treatment again is so extremely low, and bad, that more people would have been harmed or put at risk just to buy this asshole a week of barely conciousness misery. Not to mention the likely malicious intent of his noncompliance.

It's time to outgrow your childish notion that this man could have been saved and was not a danger to themselves and others just as if he was blindly firing a loaded pistol into a crowd.

Get over it. It's how people go insane and die during the end times. You will see a lot more before its over.

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[starkind]

Further more. That patient should have been bakeracted and sedated. He could have still been respectfully left off supplementary oxygen. Could you imagine if he got behind the wheel of a vehicle with that o2 sat and went unconscious? Let alone the huge number of other scenarios I can imagine. He was never in his right mind despite the claim to that contrary in the reddit post. He definitely was insane and dangerous. They could have easily eased his suffering and kept him comfortable without putting him through that code, and putting others at risk.

There's no profit in that either though. And that would have opened them to legal repercussions as well. However, I think any sane judge would not have ruled in favor of releasing him.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by starkind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He didn't go out of his way. The guy refused treatment which then caused collateral to the collective. All the nurse did was communicate the guys wishes.

nah the nurse literally says they did it out of spite not to communicate his wishes, its ok though its just being complacent about this stuff and supporting it that will bring the savior so I dont mind it being "regular thinking"

its no different than shooting someone in the back when they get upset about being arrested.

People taking oaths for power. Satan lives in them strongly.

edit: also the masses reveling it was the point I was trying to make, the 35k front page of reddit "good guys" is what we're going to have to get used to.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

nah the nurse literally says they did it out of spite not to communicate his wishes, its ok though its just being complacent about this stuff and supporting it that will bring the savior so I dont mind it being "regular thinking"

its no different than shooting someone in the back when they get upset about being arrested

I disagree. I also believe that nurse already did their best to encourage him to stay and remain in treatment. I do not believe they went out of their way to hurt that man or deny him care. They just helped the doctor make an informed decision based on his wishes. He did absolutely nothing against that man's will. There was no domination, force, or control exerted over that man despite there being good reason to prior to his collapse. He did that man a favor and respected his freedom at the nurses and hospitals own risk and liability, regardless.

That nurse was incredibly generous and patient with that man.

[Mblake1981]

The real Starkind emerges.

[Jibartik]

youre not hearing my argument.

and you're also reveling in the police killing anyone who resists if you think about it long enough.

That nurse was incredibly generous and patient with that man

fulfilling your oath is not being generous.

[starkind]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

youre not hearing my argument.

and you're also reveling in the police killing anyone who resists if you think about it long enough.



fulfilling your oath is not being generous.

I don't revel in anything.

Order, discipline, and rational must balance the chaos, id, and ego of our civilization. Lest we all die and our species cease to exist and thrive.

I'm being rational and compassionate. Empathetic. And measured. Objective and fair. I'm also providing you a counterpoint to your assertion that the nurse was uncaring. If that nurse didn't care they would have joined the infantry and worn an armband representing a truly fascist ideology and spent their efforts on corralling anyone ideologically opposed to them into recyclers. They wouldn't have let them walk free at the expense of other patients, the public, nor the institution of the hospital they instead serve.

I genuinely feel for you. And your seeming inability to grasp the big picture here and care for something more than the outcome you seem to personally desire.

[starkind]

Looking back "uncaring" is an illusion. We all care. In some way, regardless of our actions, there is always motivation. That nurse respected the guy when they could have treated that man like a child, cattle, or vermin.

1) they offered care
2) they gave them freedom
3) they let the guy choose for himself

They didn't:
1) deny them care
2) disrespect their wishes
3) harm or hinder him in seeking care

Like it's obvious the nurse was frustrated and sharing the delusional behavior of the guy. Being objective about it. Not being personally motivated to pump the patient full of sedatives and intubate him over and over until he finally couldn't be resuscitated anymore. Or his insurance stopped coverage. Which is exactly what would have happened if they had gone against the patients wishes.

You do not fully understand what is at play here. The costs involved. Nor the torture that would have put the patient through against his will. In the very vain attempt to get him to change his mind or teach him a lesson.

At some point you just have to respect everyone's god given right to be stupid and experience death in their own unique ways.