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[Ciderpress]

You heard it here first: tighter border security has no effect on sex trafficking as per botten's fevered imagination. Also he skipped the whole part about fentanyl od's, but I'm sure tighter border security has no effect on that either, for some reason.

[Botten]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You heard it here first: tighter border security has no effect on sex trafficking as per botten's fevered imagination. Also he skipped the whole part about fentanyl od's, but I'm sure tighter border security has no effect on that either, for some reason.

You really need to stop falling for the Orange man administration misinformation. We have known about abused Visas provided by the US for years.

LOL, it is how Musk got his citizenship.

“The Washington Post, published Oct. 26, 2024, attempted to uncover the truth about Musk's own pathway to U.S. immigration, concluding that he "worked illegally in the United States as he launched his entrepreneurial career after ditching a graduate studies program in California.”

Thou Musk states he utilized a J1 into a H1B visa during his request for citizenship but there is a lot of grey information surrounding his supposed claim on X

[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Botten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You really need to stop falling for the Orange man administration misinformation. We have known about abused Visas provided by the US for years.

LOL, it is how Musk got his citizenship.

“The Washington Post, published Oct. 26, 2024, attempted to uncover the truth about Musk's own pathway to U.S. immigration, concluding that he "worked illegally in the United States as he launched his entrepreneurial career after ditching a graduate studies program in California.”

Thou Musk states he utilized a J1 into a H1B visa during his request for citizenship but there is a lot of grey information surrounding his supposed claim on X

Musks employs 121,858 people and is worth half a trillion dollars.

that's different than open borders that push the wage of the working poor down


i fuckin hate the guy but holy shit, nobody gives a shit he was illegal, millions of people do care that their wages aren't going up though.

imagine making this more complicated than it has to, stop making poor people's lives fucking miserable and maybe they'll vote for you again.

hope this helps.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ekco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Musks employs 121,858 people and is worth half a trillion dollars.

that's different than open borders that push the wage of the working poor down


i fuckin hate the guy but holy shit, nobody gives a shit he was illegal, millions of people do care that their wages aren't going up though.

imagine making this more complicated than it has to, stop making poor people's lives fucking miserable and maybe they'll vote for you again.

hope this helps.

My very serious suggestion is to send everyones boss to jail instead of targeting the primary lawbreakers.

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by Ciderpress [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You heard it here first: tighter border security has no effect on sex trafficking as per botten's fevered imagination. Also he skipped the whole part about fentanyl od's, but I'm sure tighter border security has no effect on that either, for some reason.

Most illegal drugs go in through Texas, but you can dig a ditch if it makes you feel better.

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[Ekco]

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Most illegal drugs go in through Texas, but you can dig a ditch if it makes you feel better.

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so we shouldn't do anything about precursor chemicals being shipped in? got it. you're only allowed to approach the problem from an "american citizen" bringing fent back in over the border and ignore everything else, people will love this idea and vote for me now.

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[Reiwa]

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so we shouldn't do anything about precursor chemicals being shipped in? got it. you're only allowed to approach the problem from an "american citizen" bringing fent back in over the border and ignore everything else, people will love this idea and vote for me now.

i'm very smart_and good at politics.meme.png

Not sure how you got there from mindless wall heckling but I don't know what else fentanyl precursors are used for and don't think I ought to be googling it.

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[Ekco]

Originally Posted by Reiwa;3720043I

don't know what else fentanyl precursors are used for and don't think I ought to be googling it.

imagine not already being on ALL the watch lists,

the tl;dr is that the chemicals are a loophole, DEA already classifies one as

List I chemical under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), but 4-piperidone and its Boc derivative are not explicitly regulated, creating a potential loophole.

it's also the same shit they make the bath salts drug and the fake weed vape juice out of. so the whole "ackchyually " this transport method is used more than this other one is some retarded whataboutism political theater

shut it all down.

neither of the two chemicals are used in mission critical shit and alternative chemicals are available and exist, just have to do the supply chain swap and give legit pharma uses companies time to change over and give them a exemption in the meantime.

Here's a Pro/Con summary focused on the implications of banning 4-piperidone/1-Boc-4-piperidone or closing the DEA precursor loophole:

Pros of Banning or Regulating These Chemicals
Disrupt Fentanyl Production

Pro: These chemicals are direct precursors to piperidine, a critical component of fentanyl. Banning them would force illicit labs to use less efficient methods (e.g., extracting piperidine from black pepper), severely limiting large-scale fentanyl synthesis.

Pro: Closing the "Boc loophole" (using 1-Boc-4-piperidone to bypass piperidine restrictions) would make it harder for clandestine labs to hide precursor use.

Reduce Designer Drug Flexibility

Pro: Piperidine derivatives are used in some synthetic cathinones ("bath salts") and cannabinoids. Restrictions could slow production of newer, lesser-known psychoactive drugs.

Align with Global Precursor Controls

Pro: Many countries (e.g., China) already regulate piperidine and its precursors. U.S. action would harmonize policies, reducing cross-border smuggling.

Public Health Benefit

Pro: Fentanyl is the #1 driver of U.S. overdose deaths. Even a partial reduction in supply could save lives.

Cons of Banning or Regulating These Chemicals
Impact on Legitimate Pharmaceutical Manufacturing

Con: These chemicals are used in FDA-approved drugs (e.g., antipsychotics, antivirals). Overregulation could disrupt supply chains, delay medications, or increase costs for patients.

Adaptation by Illicit Labs

Con: Underground chemists may pivot to:

Alternative precursors: e.g., pyridine derivatives or novel piperidine substitutes.

New analogs: Non-piperidine opioids (e.g., nitazenes) that evade existing bans.

Enforcement Challenges

Con: These chemicals have legitimate industrial uses (e.g., agrochemicals, polymers), making it hard to distinguish legal vs. illegal shipments without robust tracking systems.

Economic Harm to Legitimate Industries

Con: Specialty chemical suppliers and researchers could face delays, increased costs, or bureaucratic hurdles to obtain permits.

Key Trade-Offs
Factor Pro-Regulation Argument Anti-Regulation Argument
Fentanyl Supply Likely reduced in short term. Labs adapt; long-term impact uncertain.
Pharmaceutical Access Exemptions for licensed pharma could mitigate risks. Bureaucracy slows innovation and raises drug prices.
Enforcement Feasibility Improved tracking tech (e.g., blockchain) could help. Limited DEA/resources; hard to police global supply chains.
Conclusion
Banning/Regulating Pros: Strong case for reducing fentanyl availability and closing precursor loopholes.

Banning/Regulating Cons: Risks harming medical supply chains and pushing illicit labs to innovate.

Recommendation for Debate:
A tiered system—banning general sales while exempting licensed pharma/chemical companies—could balance public health and industry needs. Pairing this with stricter international precursor controls would maximize impact while minimizing collateral damage.

[Ciderpress]

So to recap: Tighter border security will not reduce people dying of fentanyl or being sex trafficked by enough to be worth somewhat more expensive avocados, temporarily.

Is this what you guys are actually saying? I suspect not, but it's the message I am receiving so please do clarify.

There is pro-orange-man propaganda, and there is also anti-orange-man propaganda. I try not to fall for either kind, but that's me.

[NopeNopeNopeNope]

US Gov’t (through the apparently corrupt USAID) gave Politico $8.1 million

Do politico articles have a certain bias? Maybe against the right? Might be a bit of a conflict of interest

But not sure of the time frame, maybe this was also during Trump’s previous term but I doubt it