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[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Fasttimes [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

neither will hillary. so back to the status quo. /shrug ill just keep on trucking and hooking up free internet for people with better cars then me and the free rent they live in.

Yeah.

So

/shrug

I'm mad, but more about how and why the process worked, than the outcome...

back to unfucking my life and not worrying about how fucked life is....

[Grimjaw]

theres like 10 people trolling the shit outa that cam ritght now

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Trungep99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/2...m.facebook.com

An interesting read but seems completely flawed if it ever is enacted.

In short it says Mexico won't pay for the wall, it would be companies that want their products shipped from Mexico to America will pay a 20% tax, thus American companies will pay for the wall.

Mind you I think the wall idea is a completely dumb, we could build a Bullet train or something revolutionary for The American way of life with that money instead of a crappy wall to keep people from picking our lettuce for dirt cheap.

i mean i hate to ruin your little gotcha post, but nobody who voted for trump is going to care or get outraged that american companies who outsourced to mexico are going to foot the bill. hint: we don't even really care how it gets paid for.

over 80% of mexico's exports are to the US, most of it is auto and cell phones. either way the mexican economy is paying for part of the wall, which is a very justifiable situation given that the mexican government has been openly taking advantage of us for 10 years, printing how2 cross border pamphlets and shit. remember, the mexican government has never once apologized for this.

also it's pretty sad that political rhetoric has caused people like you to speak on issues like they know anything about what they're talking about. like uh, ignoring the fact that you're completely dodging the fact that the wall and deportation is focused on violent/drug/gang criminal illegals, the innocent ones have done a lot more than just "pick our lettuce and run that dank taco truck down the street"

like i'm just saying having worked for years in the residential construction, plumbing, and landscaping industries, all of which are very well paying jobs that traditionally would serve as the beginnings of career paths for 20-somethings who are currently chronically unemployed/underemployed in today's market. all of these industries have been 100% displaced by illegals. try finding a plumber on the west coast who is a US citizen, i don't mean the dude in company advertisements i mean the laborer they send to your house. some of these jobs paid more than what most STEM students would make 10 years out of college in the 90's. blue collar work used to be respected in this country.

here's a good example why hiring illegal plumbers isn't a good idea https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b1_1483233942

my job was pretty much entirely fixing all the fucked up janky shit illegals did to homeowners who found out HEY YOU CAN'T SUE AN ILLEGAL MEXICAN after they fucked their house up and ran away with the money. every single time it was redoing some shitty work an illegal did, because in a lot of areas there just isn't anyone else to call. insuring construction workers is expensive. you can't compete if you hire citizens, it's not even about the employee's take home at all.

hell being in those industries i can tell you that by supporting illegal immigration you aren't bettering these peoples' lives at all. a lot of these jobs are dangerous.. roofing especially. the way things currently are, an illegal immigrant isn't insured. that and taxes is where all the money's saved by the employer. in cases where those guys get injured and can't work, they're fucked for life. their family here and back home is fucked for life. people who counted on them. by closing the border, doing something with the people already here, booting out the known criminals and creating a better path to citizenship, you would be bettering these peoples' lives. like fuck it's like these retards have never read The Jungle. isn't that like, basic high school reading curriculum?

i expect you to just gloss this over and call me a racist, nobody ever gets it until you're deciding between writing a $50,000 check to fix the shit some illegal day worker messed up, or walking away from your home because you thought you could save $2000 hiring a cheap contractor.

its disturbing to me that you would mischaracterize the situation so blatantly and in such a passe way, like you almost believe the crap you're posting or something :/

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Industries want you to believe that but it isn't always the case. The price is set where it is most profitable (in any big business). It doesn't always follow that passing the tax onto the consumer will make the product or service more profitable.

wow someone displaying an at-least basic understanding of economics and business, give this guy a fuckin cookie

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i mean i hate to ruin your little gotcha post, but nobody who voted for trump is going to care or get outraged that american companies who outsourced to mexico are going to foot the bill. i'm personally quite happy. i was against this whole wall thing in favor of a camera wall/better security/enforced current laws until i heard this news. would rather those assholes and the mexican government feel their balls in the vice here, the mexican people have done nothing wrong and are victims to their own shitty government as well as our previous administrations' apathy toward mexico's problems.

over 80% of mexico's exports are to the US, most of it is auto and cell phones. either way the mexican economy is paying for part of the wall, which is a very justifiable situation given that the mexican government has been openly taking advantage of us for 10 years, printing how2 cross border pamphlets and shit. remember, the mexican government has never once apologized for this.

also it's pretty sad that political rhetoric has caused people like you to speak on issues like they know anything about what they're talking about. like uh, ignoring the fact that you're completely dodging the fact that the wall and deportation is focused on violent/drug/gang criminal illegals, the innocent ones have done a lot more than just "pick our lettuce and run that dank taco truck down the street"

like i'm just saying having worked for years in the residential construction, plumbing, and landscaping industries, all of which are very well paying jobs that traditionally would serve as the beginnings of career paths for 20-somethings who are currently chronically unemployed/underemployed in today's market. all of these industries have been 100% displaced by illegals. some of these jobs paid more than what most STEM students would make 10 years out of college in the 90's. blue collar work used to be respected in this country.

here's a good example why hiring illegal plumbers isn't a good idea https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4b1_1483233942

my job was pretty much entirely fixing all the fucked up janky shit illegals did to homeowners who found out HEY YOU CAN'T SUE AN ILLEGAL MEXICAN after they fucked their house up and ran away with the money. every single time it was redoing some shitty work an illegal did, because in a lot of areas there just isn't anyone else to call. insuring construction workers is expensive. you can't compete if you hire citizens, it's not even about the employee's take home at all.

hell being in those industries i can tell you that by supporting illegal immigration you aren't bettering these peoples' lives at all. a lot of these jobs are dangerous.. roofing, logging etc. the way things currently are, an illegal immigrant isn't insured. that and taxes is where all the money's saved by the employer. in cases where those guys get injured and can't work, they're fucked for life. their family here and back home is fucked for life. people who counted on them. by closing the border, doing something with the people already here, booting out the known criminals and creating a better path to citizenship, you would be bettering these peoples' lives. like fuck it's like these retards have never read The Jungle. isn't that like, basic high school reading curriculum?

its disturbing to me that you would mischaracterize the situation so blatantly and in such a passe way, like you almost believe the crap you're posting or something :/

Uhh that'd be great... If you could uhh get it so real US American pplz could, put out an ad and do work with out going to jail for 50yrs.

Illegals are attractive because they are low liability and an illegal business is going to get them deported anyway.

Your idea is amazing. We still need to solve the problem of bureaucracy tho.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Uhh that'd be great... If you could uhh get it so real US American pplz could, put out an ad and do work with out going to jail for 50yrs.

Illegals are attractive because they are low liability and an illegal business is going to get them deported anyway.

Your idea is amazing. We still need to solve the problem of bureaucracy tho.

can you make this post again but in english and on less drugs? i can't really tell what you're trying to say.

yes illegal workers are used for only a few reasons, and you got most of them:
- low legal liability
- don't have to pay taxes on them
- don't have to insure them
illegals making under minimum wage is very rare, even unskilled day laborers make dead minimum $15-20 cash an hour in my area, min wage is a bit over $10 here.

don't think for a second these people are hired because they work well, and don't for a second believe that they're only doing jobs no one wants to do.

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

can you make this post again but in english and on less drugs? i can't really tell what you're trying to say.

yes illegal workers are used for only a few reasons, and you got most of them:
- low legal liability
- don't have to pay taxes on them
- don't have to insure them
illegals making under minimum wage is very rare, even unskilled day laborers make $15-20 cash an hour in my area, min wage is a bit over $10 here.

don't think for a second these people are hired because they work well, and don't for a second believe that they're only doing jobs no one wants to do.

White ppl are criminalized. If I did the roofing job they wouldn't hire, (pretend I'm a sexy manbeast) cuz all that u said, even at 8$.

If I did it without or with a forged license, especially as a minority gay tranny I'd be begging for a commutation to my 35 yrs sentence.

I've got better risk/rewards things to do now that blue color work is only available to 100% disposable ppl.

No fucking chain links will fix that.

You're right. And totally on point with your industry experience.

But we need to make it possible / desirable to work legally. It's undesirable to millenials cuz ppl are tired of dieting in the name of Zog and unity.

Also there is a rl problem with millennial entitlement. But that's another thread. Kids, regardless of politics are dumb and weak. I blame WoW and a lack of proper discipline.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Cave Troll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the KKK Is very much alive here in the south

not sure where you live bud

hahahhahahahhaa where the fuck do you live, the 1970's?

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by maerilith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

White ppl are criminalized. If I did the roofing job they wouldn't hire, (pretend I'm a sexy manbeast) cuz all that u said, even at 8$.

If I did it without or with a forged license, especially as a minority gay tranny I'd be begging for a commutation to my 35 yrs sentence.

I've got better risk/rewards things to do now that blue color work is only available to 100% disposable ppl.

No fucking chain links will fix that.

You're right.

it's not criminalized, but it certainly is highly disincentivised to hire american citizens. not sure where you got the white thing from, if anything this disproportionately affected black communities more than any other race which i'm sure hasn't helped any of those socioeconomic reasons liberals like to cite to excuse inner city crime statistics. like idk just saying more black dads would stick around if they had gainful employment and the kind of stable life these jobs used to provide americans.

not rly sure what a faggot tranny is doing that would be more rewarding than some of those jobs used to be though, i don't think you make $100k a year :/

[maerilith]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's not criminalized, but it certainly is highly disincentivised to hire american citizens. not sure where you got the white thing from, if anything this disproportionately affected black communities more than any other race which i'm sure hasn't helped any of those socioeconomic reasons liberals like to cite to excuse inner city crime statistics. like idk just saying more black dads would stick around if they had gainful employment and the kind of stable life these jobs used to provide americans.

not rly sure what a faggot tranny is doing that would be more rewarding than some of those jobs used to be though, i don't think you make $100k a year :/

Phone tired hard. Know I pretty much agree here.

However. The whole issue is can ppl freely work in this country, nope. So we have a blackmarket of illegals who aren't held to the same standards.

Big corps get a wrist slap and golden parachute their execs into a new illegal machine.

Little ppls get thrown in life prison if cought working outside the system.

No one really cares what happens to illegals tho.

Uneducated unemployed unskilled ppl have to start somewhere. Doesn't matter what race they are. Bad parents and families are to blame. Not faggot trannies though. We are ruthless dedicated hard workers use to dealing with turdburglers. We play for keeps.