2020 Election MEGAthread

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right that they are different categories of virus, but corona viruses are not uniquely dangerous just by virtue of being corona viruses. The reason people are comparing this to the flu is because we do not take such drastic measures to prevent the spread of the flu. The current virus at issue almost never kills young people, whereas influenza frequently does. There is certainly a lot more to be learned about it, but the scientific method reveals new information every day about any given disease. We certainly understand it better now than we did in January or February, and the fundamental question continues to be: is it worth the collateral impacts of locking down state and local economies indefinitely to control the spread of sars-cov-2 given it's apparent danger profile? It really should not be a partisan question, the fact that the answer breaks almost perfectly upon partisan political lines is alarming.

But yes though, it is worth it. Had we not the estimates are around 2 million americans, by trumps and the CDC count.

Also, the important thing about drastic measures for flu and why we dont do them is known: coronaviruses rarely infect humans and mutate slowly, so when they do you can quarantine them and they will die. Influenza you cannot do that, because of the way they mutates very quickly.

Covid: 1-2 years of hard work, save a lot of lives.
Flu: you would have to live like this forever to save lives every year, and that's asking too much.

It's not like I want to outlaw going outside because muggings happen, you know?

And as for the economy, trumps portion of the job was to make that work while the medical pro's do the medicine, but he got it backwards.

[Toad1]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're right that they are different categories of virus, but corona viruses are not uniquely dangerous just by virtue of being corona viruses. The reason people are comparing this to the flu is because we do not take such drastic measures to prevent the spread of the flu. The current virus at issue almost never kills young people, whereas influenza frequently does. There is certainly a lot more to be learned about it, but the scientific method reveals new information every day about any given disease. We certainly understand it better now than we did in January or February, and the fundamental question continues to be: is it worth the collateral impacts of locking down state and local economies indefinitely to control the spread of sars-cov-2 given it's apparent danger profile? It really should not be a partisan question, the fact that the answer breaks almost perfectly upon partisan political lines is alarming.

There are over 500 million different corona viruses

Covid19 is a bacteria that severely inhibits oxygen absorption in the lungs killing unhealthy people and making even healthy ones VERY SICK if they are genetically prone to it.

Flu kills everyone equally

the difference?

Flu is short term, covid is long term, i had symptoms for 4 months and there were periods where i was getting worse for a long time, this wears you down and kills people.

[douglas1999]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But yes though, it is worth it. Had we not the estimates are around 2 million americans, by trumps and the CDC count.

Also, the important thing about drastic measures for flu and why we dont do them is known: coronaviruses rarely infect humans and mutate slowly, so when they do you can quarantine them and they will die. Influenza you cannot do that, because of the way they mutates very quickly.

Covid: 1-2 years of hard work, save a lot of lives.
Flu: you would have to live like this forever to save lives every year, and that's asking too much.

It's not like I want to outlaw going outside because muggings happen, you know?

And as for the economy, trumps portion of the job was to make that work while the medical pro's do the medicine, but he got it backwards.

Well that seems at odds with what happened; it *did* infect the population of wuhan rapidly and it also mutated within a couple months. The sars-cov-2 infecting america and elsewhere has been identified as a european variant; it's much more transmissible than what took place in wuhan but also much less lethal. Viruses don't survive by killing their hosts.

And you still haven't really answered the economic question. If the goal is the preservation of human life, it's not at all clear that more human life has been saved by these measures compared to the effects of a disease with an overwhelmingly high survival rate. If this had occured under obama, I absolutely guarantee the left would not be saying "obama totally botched this!!". They'd be saying "he did everything he could, he's not a fortune teller, he can't see the future" which again brings up my main point; why is this so drastically politicized?? How can we change things so that in the future if a totally unforseen huge emergency happens, we don't all start blaming one another for what is basically an act of nature?

[Woke Locc]

why is it okay to murder grampa through negligence

[Patriam1066]

It’s not, had Trump said “we must defeat the China virus, mask up,” they’d all be in hazmat suits

[Mead]

Originally Posted by Toad1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ive always wondered who they ask during these polls, and like someone posted hilary was in the lead by a retarded amount then the actual election happened and she lost

she then went home and got drunk on chardonnay immediatly

poor bitch probably never even got a hug

Do you remember how she lost? I'm going to say yes and you just hoped other people didn't remember

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by douglas1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well that seems at odds with what happened; it *did* infect the population of wuhan rapidly and it also mutated within a couple months. The sars-cov-2 infecting america and elsewhere has been identified as a european variant; it's much more transmissible than what took place in wuhan but also much less lethal. Viruses don't survive by killing their hosts.

The idea that covid mutated is a misunderstanding. not in the sense that you are using the word mutation. Youre looking at variations in hair color in humans and calling it mutations. Think of it that way. Changes in the genome, and these changes are subtle, and slow. So a new species is far far away. Unlike influenza which would have a elephant trunk by now and 6 legs.

And you still haven't really answered the economic question. If the goal is the preservation of human life, it's not at all clear that more human life has been saved by these measures compared to the effects of a disease with an overwhelmingly high survival rate.

Every source including donald trump says millions of american people would be dead now if we did not do what we did.

If this had occured under obama, I absolutely guarantee the left would not be saying "obama totally botched this!!".

Correct, because he had a plan in place that trump defunded. And we would be at 30-64k Deaths and the economy would be 60-80% more open than it is right now and there would'nt have been 100 days of national riots. (if we're predicting mine is as valid as yours so dont say im wrong! and in both of our predictions people are commending obama on a job well done so you know I'm right! Now that's science!)

I would be not saying obama did a great job if we were looking exactly like we are today, so screw those people that would, lets not live by what "they" would have said so "lets say it now"

How can we change things so that in the future if a totally unforseen huge emergency happens, we don't all start blaming one another for what is basically an act of nature?

Lets call a spade a spade, this was not unforseen, its all over the internet, for 10 years people been taking about this. imo trump screwed up when the ball was passed to him. Instead of being the running back he should have been, he stepped to the sideline and started playing coach. His job was to maintain our economy and prevent the nation from losing their minds rioting and he failed. He himself says his job was to protect us from panicking and that's why he lied to us, libertarians still think he's the better man for libertarian values just because capitalism is more in line with libertarianism than socialism? But he lies to everyone and antagonizes the other political half of the country.

Makes no sense to me!

[Toad1]

Originally Posted by Mead [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you remember how she lost? I'm going to say yes and you just hoped other people didn't remember

Bad ratio of votes to electorals, was very close and i think she conceded too early honestly

I dont see why we cant vote on our smartphones with a picture of us and a fingerprint that way we get 90% of our population voting instead of 40% ( well now this year it will be 60% )

not including illegals or dead people

[hobart]

Originally Posted by Toad1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont see why we cant vote on our smartphones with a picture of us and a fingerprint that way we get 90% of our population voting instead of 40% ( well now this year it will be 60% )

not including illegals or dead people

Because there would never be a Republican President for the foreseeable future. Very few governors and Senators. And the house would be 66% or more Democratic once districts were fixed.

The dynamic in this country is such that one party benefits from voter suppression and low turnout and the other benefits from high turnout of anyone with a pulse regardless of citizenship.

[Topgunben]

Originally Posted by hobart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because there would never be a Republican President for the foreseeable future. Very few governors and Senators. And the house would be 66% or more Democratic once districts were fixed.

The dynamic in this country is such that one party benefits from voter suppression and low turnout and the other benefits from high turnout of anyone with a pulse regardless of citizenship.

Your piddly excuses will again lead you to endless screaming come November 4th.

Try a blue jacket this year, it fits the mood better.

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