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[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"All Natural Selection proves is that weak life forms die. "

Ughh, were do you come up with this crap? Natural selection doesnt prove weak life forms die. Dont be dense. If an organism can live long enough to procreate then it is going to pass along it's DNA. Nature works with what it's got. Put a large species on a small island and in a few hundred generations they will be smaller in stature. Smaller organisms eat less so it is a favored trait in harsh times.

"It doesn't write new legible genetic code"

Wrong. Scientists have even seen it in the lab.

"It is hard to understand how anyone could make this claim, since anything mutations can do, mutations can undo. Some mutations add information to a genome; some subtract it. Creationists get by with this claim only by leaving the term "information" undefined, impossibly vague, or constantly shifting. By any reasonable definition, increases in information have been observed to evolve. We have observed the evolution of increased genetic variety in a population (Lenski 1995; Lenski et al. 1991) increased genetic material (Alves et al. 2001; Brown et al. 1998; Hughes and Friedman 2003; Lynch and Conery 2000; Ohta 2003) novel genetic material (Knox et al. 1996; Park et al. 1996) novel genetically-regulated abilities (Prijambada et al. 1995)

If these do not qualify as information, then nothing about information is relevant to evolution in the first place."

There you go...research papers and all. Tested and verified.

[radditsu]

Loved you in Fred Claus btw.


3rd billing to Ludacris and Vince Vaughn in that one.

[Barkingturtle]

10k books seems like a lot of books, but I bet if I had almost 14 billion years I could write several billion books.

So, basically, God ain't got shit on me. Suck it you fucking bitch.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10k books seems like a lot of books, but I bet if I had almost 14 billion years I could write several billion books.

So, basically, God ain't got shit on me. Suck it you fucking bitch.

So you agree that the information must have been written by an intelligent source and not random chance

Thanks for playing

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you agree that the information must have been written by an intelligent source and not random chance

Thanks for playing

Maybe it was a series of random chances that happened over the course of millions of years.

That being said, doesn't seem like 10,000 books is much to write over the course of the universe's known existence. Really, maybe it wasn't written at all, and it was pieced together in a series of fusions that happened.... Accidentally not accidental. We aren't mistakes, in reference to how we have become to evolve into what we are.

Or maybe it was aliens.

Isn't that easier to believe than in an all-powerful, all-seeing deity of selfless discipline that was written about by MEN only a couple thousand years ago?

Not trying to be offensive, but I find the alien theory the easiest to reach closure on.

[G13]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it was a series of random chances that happened over the course of millions of years.

That being said, doesn't seem like 10,000 books is much to write over the course of the universe's known existence. Really, maybe it wasn't written at all, and it was pieced together in a series of fusions that happened.... Accidentally not accidental. We aren't mistakes, in reference to how we have become to evolve into what we are.

Or maybe it was aliens.

Isn't that easier to believe than in an all-powerful, all-seeing deity of selfless discipline that was written about by MEN only a couple thousand years ago?

Not trying to be offensive, but I find the alien theory the easiest to reach closure on.

10K books in ONE strand of DNA. Can you read?

The perimeters that you outline are pure fantasy. How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing? Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe

I know that's probably way over your head so let's just talk simple proteins. A simple protein (not even creating life just one part of many complex parts needed) requires a precise sequence of 125 amino acid molecules with 20 types to choose from. The odds of every piece forming into the exact sequence needed is 4 x 10 to the 162nd power. In other words a mathematical impossibility.

So how did they magically form in the primordial goo and create life from Nothing?

[leewong]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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"How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing?"

Who in the hell claims the entire 10k library popped up from nothing? It started very simple and worked it's way to its current state over a 3.5 billion year span. You cant even fathom 3.5 billions years...10k is nothing.

"Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe"

The second law of thermodynamics states that the entropy of an isolated system never decreases, because isolated systems always evolve toward thermodynamic equilibrium, a state with maximum entropy.

Well, I guess the sun throws your whole closed system right out the window. The sun is constantly adding energy into the system. There goes your theory.

[Aviann]

Originally Posted by G13 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

10K books in ONE strand of DNA. Can you read?

The perimeters that you outline are pure fantasy. How does ordered, structured and purposeful code write itself randomly from nothing? Not only that, but because of certain laws that govern the universe, data and information degrade over time, so to claim that information that magically writes itself becomes more ordered and complex over time violates basic fundamental principles that government The Universe

I know that's probably way over your head so let's just talk simple proteins. A simple protein (not even creating life just one part of many complex parts needed) requires a precise sequence of 125 amino acid molecules with 20 types to choose from. The odds of every piece forming into the exact sequence needed is 4 x 10 to the 162nd power. In other words a mathematical impossibility.

So how did they magically form in the primordial goo and create life from Nothing?

I read just fine, thank you. But I'll leave this for you here to dwell on, unless you are so certain a fake deity created you that you blatantly refuse to check out the shit that can be fathomable. Enjoy.

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[iruinedyourday]

I remember when I started playing EQ i was like, man this game is OK but I hope it introduces me to people I normally wouldn't ever meet so i can talk about religion with them.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember when I started playing EQ i was like, man this game is OK but I hope it introduces me to people I normally wouldn't ever meet so i can talk about religion with them.

Is this an indirect way of confirming that you put no effort into and have no desire to, participate in a face to face discussion with someone that may have a dissenting opinion about a topic?