Best 4 person all caster/priest group

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Congrats to all the trolls who have yet to provide evidence for their claims, and are the real reason this thread has 100 pages.

These trolls are Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Chortles Snortles, and Ripqozko. Their post histories are pretty sad right now.

PlsNoBan alone is using the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts from his last 100 as a derogatory remark.

Big yikes. But when they can't win with evidence or logic, they just turn any forum into RnF. It's much easier to try and silence people than actually have a civil conversation.

[Ripqozko]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats to all the trolls who have yet to provide evidence for their claims, and are the real reason this thread has 100 pages.

These trolls are Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Chortles Snortles, and Ripqozko. Their post histories are pretty sad right now.

PlsNoBan alone is using the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts from his last 100.

Big yikes. But when they can't win with evidence or logic, they just turn any forum into RnF. It's much easier to try and silence people than actually have a civil conversation.

Congrats on your nearly 400 posts in 1 thread

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Ripqozko [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats on your nearly 400 posts in 1 thread

Just take a look at the aggregate posts of the trolls I mentioned in this thread. It's basically the same count. The difference is it has been 8 vs. 1, and you guys still lost lol.

[PlsNoBan]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

provide evidence for their claims ... can't win with evidence or logic

Originally Posted by PlsNoBan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A group with 2 or more charm pets the mobs are dying in like less than 30 seconds. Obviously 5% more slow is a HUGE DEAL so you're obviously slowing every mob right? Once mob comes in and you cast malo + slow and get your first dot applied (assuming no resists) you're gonna get like 2 ticks before it dies. Best case scenario you get 2 dots up and get like 2 ticks each. This is EXTREMELY inefficient from a DPM perspective. No amount of canni/torpor makes this efficient or sustainable in a fast moving chain pulling group. Contrary to what you seem to believe you can't cast canni and torpor WHILE casting dots and malo/slow. You can only cast 1 spell at a time in the game of EverQuest and they tend to have long-ish cast times and multiple charms make mobs die very quickly.

Mage pet does its full DPS from the literal second the mob comes into camp and all their DPS is frontload-able via nukes which are OBVIOUSLY superior to dots when fighting stuff that dies quickly. Would you rather spend 7 seconds and 320 mana to do 1024 damage from a mage nuke on a mob thats gonna die in 30 sec or spend 5 seconds and 430 mana to apply a dot that will do 111 a tick and if you're lucky will tick 3 times? The only way your stupid ass theory works is if the shaman is root rotting adds off to the side which fucking nobody ever does or wants to do besides you.

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Waaaaaaah people called me names. Here's some irrelevant data to prove why I'm right and they're wrong.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats to all the trolls who have yet to provide evidence for their claims, and are the real reason this thread has 100 pages.

These trolls are Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Chortles Snortles, and Ripqozko. Their post histories are pretty sad right now.

PlsNoBan alone is using the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts from his last 100 as a derogatory remark.

Big yikes. But when they can't win with evidence or logic, they just turn any forum into RnF. It's much easier to try and silence people than actually have a civil conversation.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Congrats to all the trolls who have yet to provide evidence for their claims, and are the real reason this thread has 100 pages.

These trolls are Troxx, PlsNoBan, Karanis, Toxigen, Cyxthryth, Gloomlord, Chortles Snortles, and Ripqozko. Their post histories are pretty sad right now.

PlsNoBan alone is using the word "autism" or "autistic" in 1 of every 3 posts from his last 100 as a derogatory remark.

Big yikes. But when they can't win with evidence or logic, they just turn any forum into RnF. It's much easier to try and silence people than actually have a civil conversation.

This is the current state of the discussion, which has yet to be continued due to trolling and lack of evidence or pursuasive arugment:

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Here is Troxx's data for reference. It is using his own standards of being in a group for an extended period of time. He is doing... 79 DPS (without damage shield). It is the precise number I calculated. His DPS is 40 simply because he is nuking more per encounter, but math-wise this also means they aren't pulling mobs that fast. His previous encounter data shows an average kill speed of 36 seconds, and he has yet to provide average kill speed for this data set.

There are two ways you can interpret this data:

1. You can believe Troxx, who is claiming his DPS parser is undervaluing the data by 30%. If that is true, then honestly all of the data he has posted so far is meaningless because his parser is wrong, and he needs to get a better parser.

2. GamParse did it's job and parsed Troxx's DPS correctly. The reason why he thinks the data is undervalued by 30% is because his similarly equipped Monk can do 70 DPS when he isn't pulling. That is where he is getting the 30% number, 70 x 0.7 = 49. The flaw in Troxx's logic is the Monk is only losing 30% DPS because he is pulling, NOT because the parser is wrong. Troxx isn't pulling, he is just sitting in camp DPSing and parsing. He is not losing any DPS, so there is no 30% loss for him. He is basically falsely assuming that if the Monk loses 30% DPS, everybody else is losing 30% DPS too. The parser is correct, and Troxx is wrong.

Either way, he basically has nothing to back up his silly points. The burden of proof now lies on him to either provide better data, or prove his parser is undervaluing all DPS by 30%, and not just the Monk who is pulling lol.

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...&postcount=638 - Here is real objective data for DPS comparisons between a Mage and a Shaman, using a level 49 Sebilis Mob. A Shaman can do 55.2 DPS, a Mage can do 82.7 with damage shield. The difference is only 27.5 DPS. This is a level 60 Mage vs. a level 60 Shaman, no clickies or mana buffs, and assuming the group is killing a mob every 36 seconds.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

At PlsNoBan, you wouldn't use the 320 for 1024 damage spell. It costs 350 mana when including the meditation tick you must lose due to the 7 second cast time. That spell has a 2.92 DPM calculation when taking that into account as opposed to Shock of Steel, which is 3.2 DPM if you cast in between ticks.

You are also just being silly. You wouldn't cast Malo/Slow on mobs dying in 30 seconds, so I am not sure why you are even talking about that.

If a group doesn't want to increase their DPS with root/rotting, why would they care about an extra 30 DPS from a Mage?[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] You are basically claiming groups care about DPS, but are fine losing DPS hehe. It's nonsensical and contradictory.

[Vexenu]

Originally Posted by Vexenu

If anyone wants to perform the Lord's work and make a video to shut DSM up: find a 55+ Paladin and a 60 Mage with focused water staff and Boots of Bladecalling. The Paladin equips a non-damage primary (no ripostes). The Mage casts DS on the Paladin and buffs pet. The Paladin pulls the seb golem and holds agro by spamming only blind and stun over and over (zero damage). The Mage attacks with backstabbing water pet and clickie nukes until the seb golem is dead (simulating his group DPS). The mob will be dead shockingly quickly and we'll all have a good laugh as DSM tries to find fault with the math.

Is anyone willing and able to perform this test? It's a simple way to conclusively prove exactly how much more damage the Mage can put out compared to the Shaman.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by Vexenu [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is anyone willing and able to perform this test? It's a simple way to conclusively prove exactly how much more damage the Mage can put out compared to the Shaman.

Judging by the nearly 400 troll posts, the answer is sadly no. I would certainly love to see this myself, but as you can see the current posters aren't interested in using logic and facts. They could easily prove me wrong if Troxx's data was way off.

[Chortles Snortles]

so, the answer is sadly no shaman
got it (lol)