I hate this perma-camping shit

[Cyrano]

Originally Posted by wangerinlee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There should be absoulty no GM involvment in raid bosses. Now that people know a GM will be inviolved it only fuels the whinners and crybabies. Simple Fix: GM's never respond to raid mob disputes unless its a bug. Any person that petitions another guild over a raid boss gets a nice lil suspension. If you want people to stop bitching stop giving them reason to and dont allow it.

My name is Cyrano Danger, I'm running for Server President and I support this message!

[Alawen Everywhere]

Hi. I'm one of the IB trackers. I'm a druid. I've been bound in Plane of Fear since January 29, the day I joined IB. I also track SolB (I like upper bats) and Vox (I hide by scryer since the trains started). MQ2 would be kind of pointless, don't you think?

Good job looking like an asshole for accusing players who play druids of using hack software to... track. Could you go back to trolling VZ/TZ instead? I'm sure they'd like to read you say "10 year old content" over and over in every post.

[Taxi]

Ive thought about it this morning, and i dont think this server is ready to deal with people passing spectres through docks and then zoning after. I would be, but im betting 90% of the server isnt ready to deal with that kind of stuff. It would probably kill the server. All it takes is 5 dedicated people who get their enjoyment solely from griefing. Again, i would enjoy that kind of on-your-toes-all-the-time gameplay but its not for everyone. If people bitch about how they are entitled to their camps, theyre never going to go for this.

[Aadill]

Was that in reference to AFK exping or sitting at a spawn point AFK for hours? Like, how would Hadden work under that ruleset? Could one person watch another at Hadden and call a GM to boot them the moment they don't move after a period of time?

I get what you're saying, but I believe that between player made rules and GM rules we're seeing many conflicts about what's allowable and what's being followed.

I do know I have seen a few guides try to port people out for being AFK, but you cannot prove if someone is legitimately AFK unless you watch them or go deep into logs to check for recent activity. In this situation, people suddenly end up in another zone that they weren't in before due to GM involvement and now you've got people that are pissed because the rules are being enforced but in the wrong manner. That's no good, either!

[Phallax]

Its a GM rule and yea camping Hadden is a prime example and Ive seen it used.

People dont get booted to bind, just to character select. They just have to log back in and be exactly where they were when the GM banned them. If GMs interacted enough that leapfrogging started to happen do to majority of campers AFKing and guilds dropping under 15. The camping would most likely stop, cuz youre not going to get 15+ members to stay at their keyboards 100% of the time doing nothing.

We already have GMs/Guides that willingly hang out at the camps and watch over things, so they could monior this easily.

Send members tells, if they dont respond in a said amount of time /boot

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Was that in reference to AFK exping or sitting at a spawn point AFK for hours? Like, how would Hadden work under that ruleset? Could one person watch another at Hadden and call a GM to boot them the moment they don't move after a period of time?

I get what you're saying, but I believe that between player made rules and GM rules we're seeing many conflicts about what's allowable and what's being followed.

I do know I have seen a few guides try to port people out for being AFK, but you cannot prove if someone is legitimately AFK unless you watch them or go deep into logs to check for recent activity. In this situation, people suddenly end up in another zone that they weren't in before due to GM involvement and now you've got people that are pissed because the rules are being enforced but in the wrong manner. That's no good, either!

I wont touch FFA for this example. This is how i think it should go, if we stay within the current camping rules.

You sneak on the Lord or Hadden camp. Guy is afk. Lord pops. Hadden pops. Tick tick tick you wait 30 seconds, guy doesnt move. You kill the mob, loot and AFK guy says wtf, you lol and ride into the sunset.

[Aadill]

The time between spawns are the real issue that Phallax is getting at. Camping Hadden for the 8 hours in between spawns technically only requires the kill on him, as that is the player-defined area of the camp. AFK or not the camp is clear by the person claiming it, so is that considered AFK camping? Would he have to sit there for 8 hours?

Camp is being held as appropriate, yet the person is AFK. That's the kind of conflict I'm interested in knowing how it would come down. It's a very specific situation but these are the special cases that you have to add to the rules that are a blanketed attempt to fix other problems. In the end you'd have a long list of exceptions, because you know these will come up.

[Taxi]

Originally Posted by Aadill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The time between spawns are the real issue that Phallax is getting at. Camping Hadden for the 8 hours in between spawns technically only requires the kill on him, as that is the player-defined area of the camp. AFK or not the camp is clear by the person claiming it, so is that considered AFK camping? Would he have to sit there for 8 hours?

Camp is being held as appropriate, yet the person is AFK. That's the kind of conflict I'm interested in knowing how it would come down. It's a very specific situation but these are the special cases that you have to add to the rules that are a blanketed attempt to fix other problems. In the end you'd have a long list of exceptions, because you know these will come up.

I think we can be quite general about it. If someone hasnt engaged 30sec after mob is up, hes afk camping.

[Aadill]

Not that I'm trying to shoot the idea down but there are flaws that cannot be accounted for immediately, however the theory exists. Because of that it becomes important to realize the overall repercussions of any rules made.

[Aadill]

Again, I'm not referring to engaging a mob that has spawned, but the time in between mob spawns. Hadden is a great example because of the length of his respawn. Is it AFK camping if the camp is cleared, Hadden is down, and you go AFK while the 5 hours pass that you are waiting for him to respawn? Are you camping the Hadden camp? Yes. Are you AFK? Yes. Does this mean you get kicked to the select screen despite following other rules that are in place on the server? Yes/No?

As for raid encounters: How does that work? Technically you are camping something that isn't up. In essence the camp is cleared and you are holding it. On the flip side, some people are AFK camping.

Which rule do you follow? Which rule does a GM pick to act on?