After Velious

[JaVeDK]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mixxit just wanted to know people's opinions on what they would like to see post-Velious. This has no bearing on what will happen here.

This is a prekunark-velious server. Nothing has changed about our mission goal :P

Since this is a hypothetical discussion, I will join in.

There is no way I would go forward with Luclin and beyond. (cat people and aliens? really. It went from a fantasy setting to 1990s scifi.) Custom content would be fun though. My idea of a post-velious world would include fewer zones, with more content in them. It would have strong faction relations between centralized cities similar to the way Kael, Thurgadin and Skyshrine operated. NPC humanoids could have family factions, and hidden factions you might know are linked. There would be a lot of npc interactions to promote the sense of zones being alive. There would be fights in the bars, and guards that don't show up to work sometimes.

I would try and make use of player characters abilities and spells. example: Instead of track being used to farm loot, it might be used to safely navigate through hostile invisible creatures you can't see otherwise:P There would be locked doors (rogues). Every class should have some type of use.

Quests would be hard, possibly requiring you to complete different objectives with one faction, then requiring parts from an opposing faction. Quests might even yield different rewards depending on the route you take to reach the end. I believe quest-rewarded items should be more about effects, and less about crazy hp/mana stats. In my post-Velious world, loot would be only marginally better than the best gear obtainable in Velious, but it would be hard to get and very unique.

I am a fan of real time strategy as well. Optional pvp is a good thing. I believe squads of npcs could be utilized for pve and pvp purposes. Mixxit demonstrated this with the Infinity's Edge server quite nicely. Warfare between cities where you could choose your side based on faction work, with the possibility of your city falling into enemy control. City uptime or battles won could yield temporary titles/rule to certain PCs, etc.

The original zones inspire me more than the new ones. I suppose I would try to make each and every npc and monster have a story, and have it mean something. This is what I missed post-Velious on live eq.

^^^
This - with some sort of alternate advancement included (tree based AA's perhaps)

[Zordana]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mixxit just wanted to know people's opinions on what they would like to see post-Velious. This has no bearing on what will happen here.

This is a prekunark-velious server. Nothing has changed about our mission goal :P

Since this is a hypothetical discussion, I will join in.

There is no way I would go forward with Luclin and beyond. (cat people and aliens? really. It went from a fantasy setting to 1990s scifi.) Custom content would be fun though. My idea of a post-velious world would include fewer zones, with more content in them. It would have strong faction relations between centralized cities similar to the way Kael, Thurgadin and Skyshrine operated. NPC humanoids could have family factions, and hidden factions you might know are linked. There would be a lot of npc interactions to promote the sense of zones being alive. There would be fights in the bars, and guards that don't show up to work sometimes.

I would try and make use of player characters abilities and spells. example: Instead of track being used to farm loot, it might be used to safely navigate through hostile invisible creatures you can't see otherwise:P There would be locked doors (rogues). Every class should have some type of use.

Quests would be hard, possibly requiring you to complete different objectives with one faction, then requiring parts from an opposing faction. Quests might even yield different rewards depending on the route you take to reach the end. I believe quest-rewarded items should be more about effects, and less about crazy hp/mana stats. In my post-Velious world, loot would be only marginally better than the best gear obtainable in Velious, but it would be hard to get and very unique.

I am a fan of real time strategy as well. Optional pvp is a good thing. I believe squads of npcs could be utilized for pve and pvp purposes. Mixxit demonstrated this with the Infinity's Edge server quite nicely. Warfare between cities where you could choose your side based on faction work, with the possibility of your city falling into enemy control. City uptime or battles won could yield temporary titles/rule to certain PCs, etc.

The original zones inspire me more than the new ones. I suppose I would try to make each and every npc and monster have a story, and have it mean something. This is what I missed post-Velious on live eq.

you got some nice ideas there..
uuaellaen made a meeting once with some friends and we discussed a mmo concept, we had lots of nice ideas, but i dont know where the log is tbh.. we wrote all down on paper.. must be somewhere :P

[vinx]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mixxit just wanted to know people's opinions on what they would like to see post-Velious. This has no bearing on what will happen here.

This is a prekunark-velious server. Nothing has changed about our mission goal :P

Since this is a hypothetical discussion, I will join in.

There is no way I would go forward with Luclin and beyond. (cat people and aliens? really. It went from a fantasy setting to 1990s scifi.) Custom content would be fun though. My idea of a post-velious world would include fewer zones, with more content in them. It would have strong faction relations between centralized cities similar to the way Kael, Thurgadin and Skyshrine operated. NPC humanoids could have family factions, and hidden factions you might know are linked. There would be a lot of npc interactions to promote the sense of zones being alive. There would be fights in the bars, and guards that don't show up to work sometimes.

I would try and make use of player characters abilities and spells. example: Instead of track being used to farm loot, it might be used to safely navigate through hostile invisible creatures you can't see otherwise:P There would be locked doors (rogues). Every class should have some type of use.

Quests would be hard, possibly requiring you to complete different objectives with one faction, then requiring parts from an opposing faction. Quests might even yield different rewards depending on the route you take to reach the end. I believe quest-rewarded items should be more about effects, and less about crazy hp/mana stats. In my post-Velious world, loot would be only marginally better than the best gear obtainable in Velious, but it would be hard to get and very unique.

I am a fan of real time strategy as well. Optional pvp is a good thing. I believe squads of npcs could be utilized for pve and pvp purposes. Mixxit demonstrated this with the Infinity's Edge server quite nicely. Warfare between cities where you could choose your side based on faction work, with the possibility of your city falling into enemy control. City uptime or battles won could yield temporary titles/rule to certain PCs, etc.

The original zones inspire me more than the new ones. I suppose I would try to make each and every npc and monster have a story, and have it mean something. This is what I missed post-Velious on live eq.

I was also thinking along these same lines, with faction work and skirmishes between katta and sanctus seru (good vs evil) sorta the same way they started EQ2 out,..with opposing factions but you could work up that faction to gain access into the other.

I wasnt thinking luclin tho, just using those zones set up differently in a custom expansion.

[nagarpoe]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mixxit just wanted to know people's opinions on what they would like to see post-Velious. This has no bearing on what will happen here.

This is a prekunark-velious server. Nothing has changed about our mission goal :P

Since this is a hypothetical discussion, I will join in.

There is no way I would go forward with Luclin and beyond. (cat people and aliens? really. It went from a fantasy setting to 1990s scifi.) Custom content would be fun though. My idea of a post-velious world would include fewer zones, with more content in them. It would have strong faction relations between centralized cities similar to the way Kael, Thurgadin and Skyshrine operated. NPC humanoids could have family factions, and hidden factions you might know are linked. There would be a lot of npc interactions to promote the sense of zones being alive. There would be fights in the bars, and guards that don't show up to work sometimes.

I would try and make use of player characters abilities and spells. example: Instead of track being used to farm loot, it might be used to safely navigate through hostile invisible creatures you can't see otherwise:P There would be locked doors (rogues). Every class should have some type of use.

Quests would be hard, possibly requiring you to complete different objectives with one faction, then requiring parts from an opposing faction. Quests might even yield different rewards depending on the route you take to reach the end. I believe quest-rewarded items should be more about effects, and less about crazy hp/mana stats. In my post-Velious world, loot would be only marginally better than the best gear obtainable in Velious, but it would be hard to get and very unique.

I am a fan of real time strategy as well. Optional pvp is a good thing. I believe squads of npcs could be utilized for pve and pvp purposes. Mixxit demonstrated this with the Infinity's Edge server quite nicely. Warfare between cities where you could choose your side based on faction work, with the possibility of your city falling into enemy control. City uptime or battles won could yield temporary titles/rule to certain PCs, etc.

The original zones inspire me more than the new ones. I suppose I would try to make each and every npc and monster have a story, and have it mean something. This is what I missed post-Velious on live eq.

This! Great Ideas, Nilbog. Right along the lines of what I would want if there was an EQ life after Velious.

[Titanas]

My suggestions.

Near the end of velious bring out AA's just so the rest of the common folk can check out what they missed in late game raiding.

Release Luclin zones inside old world zones through NPC key quests or put zone ins in random dead ends.

Examples
Maybe put SSRA off of OOT and keep it the same content but change the lore up a bit.
Move VT to an NPC who would trigger you to zone in from Lfay.
Put a zone in for the Deep as a cave under BB mts.

Let people still get the Luclin experience but keep the game to old world map and play-style.

Later on after that Bring out PoP in the same mannor where you zone into Powater from kedge ect.

[vinx]

*yes, i know these 2 cities alrdy have faction issues,..just bringing it to another level* [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]
that was spose to be edited in the bottom of ^ but i went to far into the quick reply haha

[eqdruid76]

Hypothetical or not, this is how it starts.

/mourn

[Yiknik]

This is your guy's playground, I absolutely love playing in it! I am sure that whatever you implement, if anything, will be great. The best part about this server is getting to see and do everything i didn't get a chance to. So idk if it is something modified or original. I am pro planes tho, seeing the clockwork dragon is on my bucket list!

[frefaln]

Nilbog's post gives me a lot of hope, and at the same time makes me lament the fact that SoE didn't share his philosophy back in the day. Somewhere along the line they convinced themselves that it was the quantity of zones that mattered, instead of zones that actually felt "alive" like the old-world/Kunark/Velious zones do. Starting with Luclin there's no question about it — with each subsequent expansion the zones got a lot prettier but felt progressively more hollow.

Nilbog gets it, which makes me feel a lot more confident that P99 isn't doomed to repeat history.

[Brut]

I'd fancy all the non-implemented areas and concepts to be made in some way or the other. Empty places that seemingly serve no purpose, or stuff that clearly was supposed to be for something, but neer was. Ones I can think off the top of my hat:

- Rujarkian Hills. The LDoN zones, where the orc highway in Oasis would've led. But not the stupid-ass caves with storages of barrels and crates as in LDoN. I dunno what zone it could be, but it bothered me to no ends that you could clearly see a zone entrance reserved for the deathfist orc clan, but it wasn't there. I still run to the invisible wall occasionally thinking to myself: "if only!!".

- The Rathe Mountains. The sphinxes, for instance... One of them is clearly guarding some entrance to somewhere. Why are they on different factions? What are they? What about the weird ruins everywhere with big blue flames erupting from everywhere in them? SOE just threw ghostly frogloks in there later, but those ruins were there for a long time, one of Norrath's great mysteries. Some trolls are also guarding one of the haunted towers in there. What's that all about? Broken Skull Clan?

- Broken Skull Clan. These guys are supposedly the big enemies of the trolls of Grobb, and I didn't fancy the pirate-business they added as LOY.

- There's a clear entrance to some zone inside Oggok, near the smiths. It makes that S-shape that indicates an entrance somewhere. North from Oggok would be Karanas, so maybe it was meant to be a shortcut for ogres to get there?

- The weird tombstones and pillar-things in the Feerrott and at the West Karanas with ogres around them. I'd assume they were meant to be some form of teleportation for evil races to go around with somewhat less trouble, but that'd be PoK-ish so don't know.

- The angry Efreeti in Solusek Temple, and the secret room near him! SOE again added a quest for this guy later on, but going to the Dreadlands and summoning and killing some huge giant djinni imprisoned in some alternate dimension was a bit of a "bleh" thing to me.

- The dreadlands with those huge ruins. I thought there were just a couple of skeletons or something there, if they weren't completely empty? Such mysteries bother me!

- Loch Ness Monst-errr.. Lake Rathe and Dagnor's Cauldron. I remember always being scared as all heck of some huge giant serpent or something jumping me from the water there, and ofc there were rumors of such flying around everywhere back in the day. Prince Kermt Kyroppi doesn't really count to me.

- Unsolved quests! The tusk from that named mammoth in South Karanas, Eye of Petrifin, Evil Eye Optic Fluid, them sphinxes, that efreeti in solusek temple, so forth so forth. There's tons of stuff no one ever figured out on live. Despite us not knowing what these quests were meant to be, something could be come up for them eventually. I think. Despite how it might contradict with how much the decisions of SOE to make quests around them later agitates me.