Tranquil Staff: Need Before Greed?

[Furniture]

an upgrade is an upgrade, doesnt matter if its the final upgrade for your slot or not, in no way should that have anything to do with refusing anyone else the right for a chance at their own upgrade,

so far the arguments for refusing group members the right for their own upgrades are:
1) its the final upgrade for that slot for the character who wants to call "NBG" (doesnt matter one bit)

2) The class who can equip the item wont have to spend time selling it (stupid)

3) will be kicking yourself after your group dies and the monk then dies before he can get an FD due to not enough dps (.....)


Might as well just say 0 arguments because all of these are retarded


Some arguments here for being fair:

1) It is fair, doesnt waste anyones valuable time, gives everyone at the camp a fair chance for an upgrade,and nobody gets screwed out of the imbalance of the distribution of class equipment across norrath

[Hailto]

Once people start passing torpor, jbb etc to shamans, ill start passing t-staff to monks. Unless its a guild group of course, then its nbg.

[Furniture]

let me clarify one thing that NBG is not greedy in practice unless it is forced, if everyone agrees that they want to give up their own upgrade in favor of someone else then theres no problem, but if you force others to give up their right for rolling on something (like the OP said he was going to do) then it becomes greedy

if you want to have 100% rights to an item before it drops, the only way you can ensure this happens is if

1) the entire group is in agreement (guild or PUG) that one person gets to loot the item
2) you solo it yourself

[Tarathiel]

ok heres one for all you NBG'ers out there. im lvl 60, i have full best in slot gear outside of vp(not exaggerating i really do) i technically dont "need" anything. i still like to join groups at loot camps, for a shot at some pp for my alts or other fun toys i might want to pick up. should i never be allowed to roll on something in a PuG unless everyone else in the group is as well off as me, simply because anything i loot will be sold for pp?

EDIT::it should be noted that ive actually never won an upgrade i have shitty luck with rolls, all of my gear either came from guild raids or from looting items and then reselling them and buying what i actually wanted::

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok heres one for all you NBG'ers out there. im lvl 60, i have full best in slot gear outside of vp(not exaggerating i really do) i technically dont "need" anything. i still like to join groups at loot camps, for a shot at some pp for my alts or other fun toys i might want to pick up. should i never be allowed to roll on something in a PuG unless everyone else in the group is as well off as me, simply because anything i loot will be sold for pp?

EDIT::it should be noted that ive actually never won an upgrade i have shitty luck with rolls, all of my gear either came from guild raids or from looting items and then reselling them and buying what i actually wanted::

No but whatever camp you go do if there is someone there that needs a item they should have first shot. Then any other items that drop you get a roll on to use for alt/sell. People make it seem like your gonna go to a camp with 5 of the same people and your the only person that left out on loots. It's called being courteous to people. Again though i get it about most people and i will avoid hunting with ya. It's simple to work around.

And i have been in need only groups before on live. If i rolled and won loot that someone in the group actually needed i happily gave it to them and asked nothing in return. It's called Karma.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No but whatever camp you go do if there is someone there that needs a item they should have first shot. Then any other items that drop you get a roll on to use for alt/sell. People make it seem like your gonna go to a camp with 5 of the same people and your the only person that left out on loots. It's called being courteous to people. Again though i get it about most people and i will avoid hunting with ya. It's simple to work around.

And i have been in need only groups before on live. If i rolled and won loot that someone in the group actually needed i happily gave it to them and asked nothing in return. It's called Karma.

oh dont get me wrong, i rarely roll on the junk that drops in most groups and am happy to see it go to people who could actually use it. but as for them being entitled to first shot at loot just because i dont need anything but pp is just absurd. why should i be penalized because i have more play time or was better at managing my pp than you? if i choose to pass on an item it should be my choice, not because others in the group feel like they "need" it more than i do. its all about being courteous but at the same time reasonable. whats funny is this whole NBG attitude is so common among newer players on the server or people that are still in their low 50's but once they start regularly grouping at high value camps and they get a taste of what some truly badass items are like that whole "lets all be altruistic best buddies and share" mentality goes flying out the window

[Dragonzord]

noone answered the epic piece hypothetical question. okay i get it, you need plat. cool.

[Furniture]

Originally Posted by Dragonzord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

noone answered the epic piece hypothetical question. okay i get it, you need plat. cool.

if you were able to follow along the past couple of posts the question was answered but ill clarify it again anyway, it doesnt matter if its an epic piece, and you cant give one valid reason why it should matter (nor anything else about this whole topic)

if an epic piece worth 30k drops, if everyone agrees let that class have it then fine, but theres no reason someone else shouldnt be able to get a chance at the item to sell for their own epic piece


as for needing plat? for upgrades? plat = upgrades so you should reword that as

Originally Posted by Dragonzord [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

noone answered the epic piece hypothetical question. okay i get it, you need upgrades. cool.

yes we could all use upgrades, not just the person who can equip the droppable high value item


Your time is as valuable as everyone elses time (even if you think its cool in some way to display power rangers all over your forum posts)

[Senadin]

I guess i would have to agree to disagree.

Not that i am a hardcore NBG'er. For example tho i would NEVER roll on an epic piece no matter the value. I am sorry i guess it's how i learned to play. Nor would i roll on a clearly beneficial caster item. it's just how i learned to play the game.

If you guys think it is fair and i guess i see your point that your time is as valuable as mine and you should get something out of the group experience. The thing is sometimes you lucked out and get an item and sometimes you dont!


Btw Sorry Tarathiel that you never lucked out! I hear you i farm guards for most of my cash...and it's how i buy items. So i know where you are coming from. I cant really answer your question tho. Yeah tho i got a feeling you arent short of cash... Or the real question is do you even need PP/items? it doesnt change the fact that you should be rewarded but isnt it just about the phat loot tho? I cant even think of one mob that drop just ONE item, they usually have several items. Sure this one time you may not get the top prize but you probably can get a secondary item that may be worth a few K's, that and if the split is done will make sure you have a share of the vendor crap. Heck how many time on live have i had no loot because i cant carry shit? How many times i had to junk stuff because i gimped myself if i was to carry it?



Why does everything has to be FAIR? Do you guys also thing that casual players should have the same gear as the folks who are hardcore raiders? Personally i think not! The raider usually spend a lot more time and even though they pay (or used to) pay the same, they SHOULD get the bigger rewards! So not everything is fair and equal! Sometimes you win some, sometimes you dont! I pass on a lot of stuff, since most stuff i cant even wear or use! Monks until Kunark are really gimped gear wise! Not only were we gimped, we cant carry shit! It's only when Kunark released that we got a bit of love. Yet the love we got given has to be spread around... even tho it says MNK....

[Furniture]

Originally Posted by Senadin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you guys also thing that casual players should have the same gear as the folks who are hardcore raiders? Personally i think not!

This all goes together, casual players shouldnt have the same gear as hardcore players

casual players - less play time - less rolls - less chances to get gear
hardcore players - more playtime - more rolls - more chances to get gear