FTE is Fing stupid

[quido]

You're right, it's a lot easier these days. And sometimes it's really nice to be on cruise control and not worry about it. But at the same time, the purest of us miss how it was a year ago.

I think it's really pathetic how little credit you people give everyone. Yes, we set the bar high, but our game is pretty loose these days really (depending on the day). It is so much easier NOW to make a move on the top dog. When we first started making a move on TR, do you know how many people in our force had dragon haste? Very very few! There was no Ixiblat, there was no Ragefire feeding CoFs to people day after day after day. Anyone with the right class makeup and some balls can goto sky with a couple groups and clear the entire zone. So to say that you're being held down from progressing is absurd. You can get 36+% haste, you can get sky haste, you can get a shitload of resist gear. People managed to kill shit before there were epics and VP, in case you didn't know. You don't need a fucking necro epic or a crown of rile to go kill Talendor.

If you're some up-and-coming guild and you want a shot at Sev or whatever, get there before us and show us that you're serious about trying. Do this and we'll probably cut you a break and give you an engage (I know I'm in favor of such a prospect) before trying to tag it ourselves. It's not fucking rocket science. You just need a plan and a little bit of willpower. Don't just bumble around and expect chance to converge upon your wishes. If you want something... TAKE IT! You don't have to commit your life to it. Do what you can with what you have, and if you remain persistant, I guarantee you that fortune will eventually smile upon you. You have to give yourself a fucking chance to succeed. You might be surprised what you're capable of.

BDA has the means. They have the right strategy (choosing battles). Where you lack is not beyond your control - it is a simple choice. You lack in mojo. Mojo is a zero sum resource, bros. The more you demonstrate, the less we have. Let's see some fucking mojo and see if momentum can carry you like it did us. I really thought this summer would (once again) be when we saw a real contender step up and challenge the #1. Oh well, maybe next year =P

[Galelor]

Originally Posted by Itap [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So what I've gathered from this thread is, from TMO members' point of view, if you have a full time job, kids, wife, family, ect., you will not really have a chance to experience the end game. Shouldn't everyone have a chance to experience it, no matter how casual/hardcore?

I can dedicate a fair share of time to EQ on certain days, but theres no way in hell i can log on in the middle of the day to kill a raid mob.

Don't take this question the wrong way, this isn't a sob story, just a legitimate question

Honestly, I stopped playing because of time constraints and because poopsocking is no longer my idea of fun. That said, Pre-PoP EQ was never a communal environment where everyone got a little bit. The strong took what they want, and this is how the game is set up to play out. Once instancing started, and guilds realized they didn't have to cockblock PoI, PoE, and PoW guilds got along a lot better.

I would like to add that nothing is going to change when Velious comes out. There are more mobs, but attitudes will not change. What happens when TMO splits factions... The fun will be over for all other guilds that want raid mobs. Good luck even getting VP mobs. Since open training is OK, I doubt anyone other than TMO is going to want to even try raiding there.

I hate to say it, but if you want a casual environment where everyone is sharing mobs, you need to find a server with instance raiding. P99 raid scene is shot for casual players.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by suptoofs [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the real reason, no matter how you look at it.

so which is it then? do they or do they not want "competition?" if they truly did want it then they would be open to letting other guilds get a shot at trakanon, so far as it stands they are getting to enjoy a relatively competition free VP.

[Knightt]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so which is it then? do they or do they not want "competition?" if they truly did want it then they would be open to letting other guilds get a shot at trakanon, so far as it stands they are getting to enjoy a relatively competition free VP.

how is letting us get trak gonna give them comp ? its not

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you're some up-and-coming guild and you want a shot at Sev or whatever, get there before us and show us that you're serious about trying. Do this and we'll probably cut you a break and give you an engage (I know I'm in favor of such a prospect) before trying to tag it ourselves.

i dont know if this is a sarcastic joke or if you are just straight up trying to spread mis-information but you guys consistently leap-frog the smaller guilds on even the smallest of targets such as draco and maestro.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so far im only seeing BDA and TMO posting in this thread, id like to hear more from the other guilds, how do you guys feel about the current raid scene? how do you feel about an open slot on a rotation?

I already posted here but I'll post again. I don't support rotations because they aren't competitive, however I think they're better than the current ruleset (which is also anti-competitive, but requires people to either invest unreasonable amounts of time in to the game, or join a zerg guild). I'm sure some middle ground is possible, like simultaneous repops, or something like that.

i cant speak for all of BDA but i know many of us probably wouldnt even mobilize if we thought one of the smaller guilds had a shot at a target they otherwise wouldnt have had

We both know this is clearly untrue, but I don't blame you for it, you guys have to get every mob you can.

Originally Posted by Jeremy

If you're some up-and-coming guild and you want a shot at Sev or whatever, get there before us and show us that you're serious about trying. Do this and we'll probably cut you a break and give you an engage (I know I'm in favor of such a prospect) before trying to tag it ourselves.

This is also untrue. But again, there's nothing wrong with that.

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Knightt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how is letting us get trak gonna give them comp ? its not

derp trakanon is the choke point on getting into vp derp

[Tarathiel]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We both know this is clearly untrue, but I don't blame you for it, you guys have to get every mob you can.

oh so when TMO was on raid suspension and you guys wiped to trakanon we didnt come in and joint raid with you guys instead of just taking it for ourselves? we didnt initiate the first ever server rotation on mobs outside of ragefire? if you know of an incident where BDA has leap frogged a smaller guild that was obviously going to engage a mob please let it be known

[quido]

I heard you trained Taken once or twice! Confirmed bad people.

[Lazortag]

Originally Posted by Tarathiel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh so when TMO was on raid suspension and you guys wiped to trakanon we didnt come in and joint raid with you guys instead of just taking it for ourselves? we didnt initiate the first ever server rotation on mobs outside of ragefire? if you know of an incident where BDA has leap frogged a smaller guild that was obviously going to engage a mob please let it be known

The situations you mentioned are completely different, though I'm grateful. You said:

i know many of us probably wouldnt even mobilize if we thought one of the smaller guilds had a shot at a target they otherwise wouldnt have had

In situations where TMO wasn't suspended, yes you've mobilized on targets that we had a shot at. There's nothing wrong with that. Maybe you misunderstood me. You guys are great to work with and you offered us (and other small guilds) mobs you didn't have to, but the post I quoted wasn't entirely accurate.