Where did WoW go right?

[fadetree]

If you really want to communicate effectively, stop being rude. Your arguments, however effective, will not get proper traction with others if you are consistently rude. Now, if all you want is to consider yourself right, then that's fine. If you want others to agree with you, you'll do much better if you aren't rude. It may be that you think the 'facts' are all that are needed, but sadly its just not true.

You are now free to say something dismissive and probably rude about my post. Happily, I don't care.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You basically said timesinks are difficult, I pointed you to another thread about that, and said I don't understand why you feel they are difficult. You didn't respond. I never claimed WoW or EQ was better.

I did respond, to summarize what I said: Timesinks are not more complex. They make things more difficult to be accomplished. I also included a short descripition of difficulty if had read my post. You tried to criticize me for saying I was one of several people saying WoW was dumb for being EZ mode, which I never said.

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't care what people think about me on the internet. I don't care who agrees with me. Feel free to read some of the responses I received from people, which were far more insulting and rude than mine.

Also, what is more important than facts? That's like saying why bother with science and studies when we can just guess. Good debates include facts, this debate however is too heavily focused on opinion, mostly uneducated opinions, and that's the problem.

You also cared enough to speak directly to me, happily. You could of easily sent me a PM instead of adding another sensitive post here which has nothing to do with either of the topics.

You obviously care about people staying on topic. Also don't you see the hypocrisy in saying, what is more important than the facts then throwing in all your random crap? I don't poke fun at your lack of reading comprehension or projectionism issues.

[lawll]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Timesinks are not more complex. They make things more difficult to be accomplished. I also included a short descripition of difficulty if had read my post. You tried to criticize me for saying I was one of several people saying WoW was dumb for being EZ mode, which I never said.

I still don't see how a eq timesink makes things more difficult. Do you really learn more about your class from camping mobs for exp in the same spot for hours casting the same sequence of spells or running a 5 man dungeon crawl fighting bosses with raid like ability's? Also right off the bat witch sounds more difficult?

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by square [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then why are you still participating in the discussion...?

They are uneducated, I've sent PMs and asked for links to people's WoW characters, provided my own, and have had no responses. Put up or shut up.



I care about people staying on topic, because otherwise it's just a straight flame-war and doesn't belong on the server chat forum. I'm at least trying to stay on the line (hovering) of the forum rules.

I ASKED what was more important than facts, it was a question, I'm truly not sure what he meant.

Also feel free to poke at my reading comprehension (you can't comprehend the post title). I've spoken directly to quotes, and I'm sorry that this is text on a screen with tons of random hate and uneducated opinions, so I can't perfectly understand everything everyone means. Your posts are a mess as it is. Honestly, if it was verbal/in person it would be far easier to comprehend opinions/feelings too, wouldn't it smart guy?

I'm also not sure that projectionism is a word, but I think I get what you're saying. Technically you could throw projection at every single poster in this topic, including yourself.

If you have a problem with me directly, take it to PMs, this topic is already cluttered with sensitive cry-baby posts as it is. If you don't like me, use ignore or just don't read my posts, boom problem solved.

The last line was really just to see you make a big "sensitive" post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

I don't really have a problem with you but your posts are often pointlessly convoluted with your manafactured game histories for people.

Obviously I can comprehend the title if you had read my first post (not the first post on the subject you changed).

Lastly, the hate isn't random when you put in inflamatory remarks. Don't like the direction things are going in? Don't drive it there.

[bluntfang]

Originally Posted by Atmas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't really have a problem with you but your posts are often pointlessly convoluted with your manafactured game histories for people.

So you dismiss his opinions because you think he manufactured his history of gaming? Why are you reading this thread? So you can point at people and say "LOL You're lying about how many games you play so your opinion is invalid, but here's mine that's totally not made up and happens to be correct!"

What's the point of not believe what games he has played? Just stay on topic.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by bluntfang [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you dismiss his opinions because you think he manufactured his history of gaming? Why are you reading this thread? So you can point at people and say "LOL You're lying about how many games you play so your opinion is invalid, but here's mine that's totally not made up and happens to be correct!"

What's the point of not believe what games he has played? Just stay on topic.

This is a great post because it 1. shows you havent read anything but are just chiming in and 2. Argues in my favor because I was commenting on him doing that.

[Atmas]

I don't know what point I havent addressed.

My main character was Atmas a mage on Deathwing, I doubt he shows up now because I've been inactive for a while. Not really sure what that will prove? WoW was not some kind of exclusive club.

[Atmas]

Can you link me up bud? I had a troll mage. Or lookup Dieselich (Warlock) if you want something from back when.

[lawll]

I smell a lot of fan boys in this thread with no real proof that EQ was a harder game other than timesinks.

[Houdiny]

Originally Posted by lawll [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I smell a lot of fan boys in this thread with no real proof that EQ was a harder game other than timesinks.

There is no real proof from either side of the argument. How many people in this forum are currently playing both WoW and EQ live and raiding at the highest level on both? Almost everyone in this conversation has said they quit playing EQ live a few years ago at least.

Square says he played about to where I did which was the Secrets of Faydwer expansion. Yet I have to explain encounters too him that are 15 expansions old. Lot of smoke being blown around and people just hating because someone gives their experience with a game. When I played WoW it was easy. And that's not a bash on the game. It's just a true statement. That's probably why it is so popular.