Proposal to the TMO leadership

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look at this from the TMO perspective a minute with the previous agreement... two guilds work together share loot on everything cept one dragon vs one guild... why should the two guilds be treated individually with one mob when they share all the rest?

Now I'm going to use logic here with a few Yes/No Questions

VD and IB work together and share loot on most raid encounters outside of VP - Yes

Can VD do these encounters on their own without assistance - Yes (see weekend when nothing was contested when VP opened)

Does VD consistently do these encounters solo when they are contested - No

It isn't a matter of TMO not thinking VD can do this stuff solo, hell we know you can, it is a matter that VD doesn't want to/desire to do it solo.

Trak solo with the spawn not being contested is COMPLETELY different than having to engage within a minute of it spawning. Anyone who says different is lying or trying to sell you something.

If VD wants to be a part of a rotation for Trak, they need to stand on their own with other raid encounters rather than fighting alongside IB.

Show you can do the fast engage and fight solo and earn your spot.

My 2cp.

Did you read my post Xanthias? Even if you are right, its hard to imagine that you guys aren't going to be doing more work for less raid mobs without the rotation. Now maybe you guys LIKE camping out at poop mountain . . . .

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Xanthias [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Two points:
Because last I checked DA and TMO weren't two separate guilds raiding together, but all under one tag after they merged...

If TMO and DA could take down the targets on their own separately, why would they need to merge? Why not just work together and form a similar partnership?

You guys went down the less advantageous road by your own choice. Now you see how flexible a partnership could have been. Why are we expected to be seen as one guild just because that's the route TMO and DA took?

[CallnOutTheNubs]

If VD wants into the rotation they should be enough said.

TMO dont make the fucking rules around here there just butt hurt scared they will lose more targets.

I dont see nothing wrong with a 3 guild rotation all guilds have proven themselfs.

stop acting like IB-VD should be treated like 1 guild THERE NOT.

[baub]

Originally Posted by Peak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

why anon to post such a standard point of view? ^^^

bc he's callin out the nubs!

[Autotune]

obviously, the simple choice is for IB and VD to merge. That way there is more loot for them as they get every other trak without having to do anything.


Why does IB and VD refuse to merge? is it because you thought you could ride out 2 spots in a rotation under 2 guild tags? Is it so if you need to train only one tag has the chance of getting suspended?

To the person saying they raid targets separately, that is a laugh. The only times that happens is when one side doesn't log in or when the other half is socking. ib/vd is one raiding guild, just so happens to be that one half has a more strict invitation process, you share a fucking vent to raid with. You're like that couple that has been living together for 35years but never got married... guess what, you're living the married life.

There are obvious reasons why VD is upset, their top tier half threw them under the bus to make their lives easier. You guys should make IB accept you so you can keep raiding on the gravy train imo. Who knows, if VD didn't go out and invite every person playing on p99 that was 46+ to bring to raids, maybe IB wouldn't have gotten so pissed at you.

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why does IB and VD refuse to merge?

Why did TMO and DA merge?

See, that goes two ways.

Why is merging the only correct option? Says who? Why are you creating the standard of "Well, you need to merge." Heaven forbid two top-tier guilds can work together without merging. Why is that so impossible for you to understand? Go make a partnership with Taken or BDA. No one is stopping you but yourselves.

[TMFail]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

obviously, the simple choice is for IB and VD to merge. That way there is more loot for them as they get every other trak without having to do anything.


Why does IB and VD refuse to merge? is it because you thought you could ride out 2 spots in a rotation under 2 guild tags? Is it so if you need to train only one tag has the chance of getting suspended?

To the person saying they raid targets separately, that is a laugh. The only times that happens is when one side doesn't log in or when the other half is socking. ib/vd is one raiding guild, just so happens to be that one half has a more strict invitation process, you share a fucking vent to raid with. You're like that couple that has been living together for 35years but never got married... guess what, you're living the married life.

There are obvious reasons why VD is upset, their top tier half threw them under the bus to make their lives easier. You guys should make IB accept you so you can keep raiding on the gravy train imo. Who knows, if VD didn't go out and invite every person playing on p99 that was 46+ to bring to raids, maybe IB wouldn't have gotten so pissed at you.

Stealin confirmed mad

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why did TMO and DA merge?

See, that goes two ways.

Why is merging the only correct option? Says who? Why are you creating the standard of "Well, you need to merge." Heaven forbid two top-tier guilds can work together without merging. Why is that so impossible for you to understand? Go make a partnership with Taken or BDA. No one is stopping you but yourselves.

I didn't say it was correct or wrong.

I just mentioned it as a way to correct your loot woes.

TMO wanted this

The people with the problem are not us.

Working together, get stuck on the same rotation together.

No one is stopping you from merging but yourselves.

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't say it was correct or wrong.

I just mentioned it as a way to correct your loot woes.

TMO wanted this

The people with the problem are not us.

Working together, get stuck on the same rotation together.

No one is stopping you from merging but yourselves.

OK, so this is what you want us to do. Fine. But we aren't going to do that.

What you guys need to consider is the reality of what's going to happen, and that is you are going to get fewer mobs than before when random epic mobs like Cazic and Inny pop with your mains camped out wasting time on the ledge.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

OK, so this is what you want us to do. Fine. But we aren't going to do that.

What you guys need to consider is the reality of what's going to happen, and that is you are going to get fewer mobs than before when random epic mobs like Cazic and Inny pop with your mains camped out wasting time on the ledge.

Cazic? nah
Inny? maybe.