Ventrilo: Did it progress or destroy the MMORPG experience?

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by Rasah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If everyone is using vent, it makes communication faster.

If only half the people are using vent, the people using it forget to tell the people that are not using it, and everything is a clusterf*ck. I see it happen every day.

That's wut.

most guilds that do anything here require VOIP. The ones that don't still have huge VOIP attendance (90%+) even if it's not mandatory. people who refuse to use VOIP are probably just excluding themselves from doing anything with one of the bigger guilds.

[feste]

Ive only ever used vent for wow and then only with RL friends. Its nice to shoot the shit while soloing and also works out real well for 5 man and 10 man things. So I guess I liked it.
I have to say though It would have been weird to put voices to all my old eq guildies. What if our big warrior main tank sounded like a pip squeak. Would have been awful. And lets be honest it would have killed all that fun cyber with the "girls"

[Tuffpuppy]

If you need Vent for EQ you or your guild are just bad. FPS's on the other hand, it is a must have.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My statement was never an analogy. Your failed observation is really stupid.

And here is the hallmark sign of a stupid argument - I have to actually define a basic, commonplace word:

Analogy: 1) a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They felt it necessary to remove target rings and spell sets but they allow and actually encourage the use of a 3rd party program that many people say gives a decided advantage to gameplay? It should be a bannable offense.

Similarity - two "features" which are "not classic" which apparently received different treatment
Comparison - VOIP represents a non-classic piece of technology which wasn't in the original game. Implied: using 3rd party programs is not classic and therefore bannable, as with MQ/ShowEQ/whatever. It gives an undue advantage - therefore it should be bannable.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't be a dick. Just tell him a /loc if your anywhere near town.

It's just as easy for him to google or have bookmarks for town maps...It's not being a dick to refuse to help people who refuse to help themselves.

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Haven't you ever asked a guy on the street what time it was? If he told me to go find my own clock i'd have to tell him to go f**k himself

Failed analogy. The guy on EQ obviously has internet access or he wouldn't be there. Not everyone on the street has access to a clock/watch/phone.

[HawkMasterson1999]

target rings are to non classic as voip is to non classic.... thats not an analogy. They are not parallel relationships, they are the same thing. Thats like saying "a cat is to animal as a dog is to animal". They are not analogies. Try again plz

[pickled_heretic]

as has been repeated several times already, voip was very much classic. people were using roger wilco before ventrilo existed.

[HawkMasterson1999]

The guy on the street can glance at his watch in half a second. Eq player can type /loc in half a second. You can go find a clock elsewhere like inside a store or in your car but this takes much more time and effort. Just like hitting alt tab and loading multiple websites takes way more time. This is an actual analogy since you obviously don't know. An apt analogy at that.

[pickled_heretic]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy on the street can glance at his watch in half a second. Eq player can type /loc in half a second. You can go find a clock elsewhere like inside a store or in your car but this takes much more time and effort. Just like hitting alt tab and loading multiple websites takes way more time. This is an actual analogy since you obviously don't know. An apt analogy at that.

non sequitur. voip was classic. if you're on some kind of crusade to get ventrilo banned, you are going to be in for a lot of disappointment.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

target rings are to non classic as voip is to non classic.... thats not an analogy. They are not parallel relationships, they are the same thing. Thats like saying "a cat is to animal as a dog is to animal". They are not analogies. Try again plz

Again, look at the definition for an analogy. It's not narrowly defined to a pure parallel relationship - the only two key elements are similarities and comparisons.

Do you need me to put the definition in another post for you, or should I just give you a link?

Here, i'll do the "nice thing" like you said:

1) a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based

How much do you need me to hold your hand on this? Sorry, you made an analogy, then denied it was an analogy, then made another poor analogy.

You made a comparison of like features of two things based on their similarities.

You made an analogy.

U mad?

Originally Posted by HawkMasterson1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The guy on the street can glance at his watch in half a second. Eq player can type /loc in half a second. You can go find a clock elsewhere like inside a store or in your car but this takes much more time and effort. Just like hitting alt tab and loading multiple websites takes way more time. This is an actual analogy since you obviously don't know. An apt analogy at that.

The EQ player asking for directions can alt-tab and click on a shortcut or google eqatlas before most people respond, and in the process of doing so he's actually learning something about the game.

And you're also assuming these people know how to use locs (given the inversion of the x-y axes in the way the game reports them). I could post the loc and still not help them.

Why not just give the eqatlas info and expect them to see the loc grid on those maps along with landmarks? That's a complete solution.


I think it's dickish to expect people to always give you help "just because it only takes a second". I certainly don't expect it of people.

[youngmoney]

vent is not classic. my guild and i never used vent back on live...typing fast and playing takes uber skillz...and to add to the fact, it's pretty nerdtastic to sit there with a headset on talking to people you've never met before. i made fun of my friend in college whenever he was on vent on wow and i'm sure those of you like my friend here feel like a douchebag when this does happen to you (assuming you're not married and have kids and have nothing to worry about looking like a loser because your kids wont judge you, unless they're 15+ in which they're probably secretly making fun of you to their friends).