Questioning GM Decisions

[Felwithemagi]

I see the OP's point, it is a valid one.

I guess my question is, why was a dual standard applied in terms of enforcing the rules? I never heard the answer to that, and it sets a slippery precedent for future issues.

I've tried to pick up the nuances of it from RnF but the signal/noise ratio isn't so good over there. If you could point me to a thread that answers that, please do. If you consider this post 'questioning your authority' then my bad, please delete or move it, just let me know. Thanks.

[bakkily]

people are just a bit, id say pissed or annoyed that the cheaters didnt receive more of a severer punishment due to the crimes against the server that was commited,

just glad the heat of this on the forums has died down a bit over the last few days, but they didnt want to lose over 350 people, where a big chunk of those were actively on every night,

though with the cheaters banned for the last week and a half, and half a week to continue, the servers numbers are doing fine, i figure this discussioins going to continue for over the next week or two possibly, though i dont know how this affects newcomers to the server, i hope it doesnt at all, but as hasbind stated at first the gms make the decision making on what happens to the cheaters, could be harsher,

maybe a few more lvls, and rogean said he may bring them back a few lvls, and over the next two weeks hes changing these accounts to the affixed lvl/stripping plat, but they just hope no ones stupid enough to even try to cheat anymore

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

I think we should treat our children well. Our children are out future. If we mistreat children it will reflect negatively on us and society.

[bakkily]

.....battle begin

[h0tr0d (shaere)]

The irony is you are questioning GM decisions by asking why they aren't moderating all the posts. Effectively saying they aren't doing what they should be doing.

this is the correct way to request oversight regarding a GM Decision, why aren't people being directed to do so rather than continue to spam the various forums about it?

There is a distinct difference between questioning a decision and what you are referring to. People should be able to discuss matters which affect the server without worrying about being censored or banned. Now of course there may be ways to do so and ways that aren't appropriate but to simply say anyone who raises a question about things which affect the server need to be moderated is idiocy. Let me get this straight if someone's acting poorly in game and this causes people to speak up on forums, we should ban the people on the forums right? I'm with you there is a point where too much is too much but if the cause of forum posts is in game behavior you don't want that looked at, just the reaction to it? So in essence it becomes do what you want in game and if anyone speaks out against it, they need to be silent. Is that your stance? That only the posts on the forums cause negative feedback or perception for the server. That nothing these posts mention, true false alleged or made up do so? That (hypothetically speaking) any favoritism, any cheating, anything which compromises the integrity of the server or affects people's enjoyment can occur in game just you can't get mad about it?

The bottom line is it is certain people's project or server and they make the rules and like it or not you have no choice but to abide by them. And you have to choose to play here or not. They made their stance clear about questioning GM decisions with Rogeans sticky in the RnF forum I believe. I think the problem is people want to play here and are frustrated when things seem unfair or unjust and I imagine they just want honesty and transparency. Which is why I don't believe your post has anything to do with server health. More like you are either trying to curry favor or just remove voices that speak out against you and your actions.

[Anger]

Ahh this is the Thesis.

Well then...Toasting on Epic Bread?

[booter]

For everyone demanding an explanation for why the staff decided to just suspend the cheaters, it was directly addressed in the news post when it happened: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=46654

Originally Posted by Rogean

Typically this type of violation results in a permanent ban. While we are furious that this many people chose to think we aren't serious about our rules, we also aren't willing to simply throw away that many accounts.

You simply trust Nilbog/Rogean, or you don't. That's the bottom line here. They gave you the reason why, you either accept it and move on or reject it and quit. You don't keep screaming for another explanation because you didn't like the first one.

Furthermore, they can still detect people cheating! They found some 45 more people cheating who will be receiving permanent bans. That means if any of the cheaters go back to cheating, they will know about it and be removed permanently. It was clearly a decision to keep a more healthy population, with obvious pros and cons.

[G13]

Originally Posted by booter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For everyone demanding an explanation for why the staff decided to just suspend the cheaters, it was directly addressed in the news post when it happened: http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=46654



You simply trust Nilbog/Rogean, or you don't. That's the bottom line here. They gave you the reason why, you either accept it and move on or reject it and quit. You don't keep screaming for another explanation because you didn't like the first one.

Rogean's logic is flawed

He's assuming there is "value" to these accounts. The truth is these accounts are poison to the overall health and integrity of the server. They are like sub prime loans.

Secondly, the nightly population hasn't taken a huge hit since the suspension was put into place. I see no reason why they shouldn't make the suspension permanent, to show solidarity with the players who play by the rules and whose accounts are vastly more valuable than corrupted accounts used by cheaters.

Lastly, to make a statement that the end game will be an even playing field and cheating will not be tolerated, they need to raid suspend IB/TR (2 weeks minimum) for Perun using a 3rd party hack during a competitive raid. He's their raid leader, therefore the guild in it's entirely should face punishment as did DA previously. The rules are the rules. Either they mean something, or they don't.

[Zereh]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

... supposed cheating or corruption when such cheating has been summarily dealt with and the corruption has been deemed not to exist.

Too bad your sketchily worded intro pretty much negates any good intentions that you profess to be presenting here. Nothing was deemed not to exist; one Dev quit insisting that there was no corruption and another quit insisting there was. There has been no official announcement from anyone on the matter.

Yes, you can write a pretty sentence. And yes, you can argue your points with a modicum of intelligence. But that in no way makes what you say the irrefutable truth though you continually try to imply otherwise.

Your ultimate goal is, and always has been, to keep your guild at the top of the heap no matter the cost. If that big collective you that you’re so gallantly trying to represent here really gave a shit about anyone except themselves P99 would not be in the state it is today. Time to start walking your talk. Lady up and remove the known cheaters from your guild if you want to make a clear statement about your concern over the state of the server. That move alone would speak volumes about your sincerity. All the rest is just smoke and mirrors.

[mitic]

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just smoke and mirrors.

blaming 1 guild for a serverwide suspension list

Originally Posted by Zereh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

just smoke and mirrors.