World of Warcraft really is an EverQuest copy/pasta.

[Reiwa]

YouTube.com and it's consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument against ripping off Warhammer is that they actually ripped off the gameplay of Dune 2 while also ripping off the Warhammer art style?

You're putting words into my mouth; I never argued that.

What I argued is that A) none of the games on Shovel's list actually copied the IP of the other (only THJ did that), and B) in the specific case of Warhammer, they did not at any point set out to make a copy of Warhammer.

Their main artist was big fans of Warhammer art (and was heavily inspired by it), and their director at one point emailed GW because he thought skinning the game with Warhammer would make it sell better. But neither of those things make Warcraft a "Warhammer knockoff" (at worst it makes it a game with heavily "knocked off" art on the box) ... nor make this true:

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m certain if you put images of Warcraft and images of Warhammer side-by-side in a courtroom, especially in the 1990s , a jury of people would say that’s IP infringement..

[loramin]

gah, "in the specific case of Warcraft"; damn it's hard not to mix the two.

[shovelquest]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally posted a video explaining exactly why that's wrong, but if you want to just ignore it, I can't stop you.

Your video literally says the art was inspired by Warhammer.

It literally says the game was a clone of dune II

those are literally the 2 points I made about the game.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I’m certain if you put images of Warcraft and images of Warhammer side-by-side in a courtroom, especially in the 1990s , a jury of people would say that’s IP infringement.

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lorman Warcraft came out of a deal that fell through with games workshop, cloning Dune II with blizzard..

I was wrong that the game originally being a games workshop partnership.

But your video clearly supports the argument they were intending on cloning the Warhammer IP just like they were cloning Dune II's gameplay.

(Your own video calls it a dune II clone mind you, Im not making that up.)

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I literally posted a video explaining exactly why that's wrong, but if you want to just ignore it, I can't stop you.

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your argument against ripping off Warhammer is that they actually ripped off the gameplay of Dune 2 while also ripping off the Warhammer art style?

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're putting words into my mouth; I never argued that.

I'm talking about the YouTube video you referenced as a trump card.

[shovelquest]

ALso

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"what kind of game is warhammer"

You ssend units to go attack each other

"What kind of game is warcraft?"

You send units to attack each other.

There's more to both but one is clearly a "digital version" of the physical game.

The guy that started making warcraft probably played dune II and was like, "this would be cool if it was warhammer"

Same way the guys who played EQ were like, "we can make a better EQ" or whatever it was we already went through in this same thread happened with the world of warcraft game.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your video literally says the art was inspired by Warhammer.

It literally says the game was a clone of dune II

those are literally the 2 points I made about the game.





I was wrong that the game originally being a games workshop partnership.

But your video clearly supports the argument they were intending on cloning the Warhammer IP just like they were cloning Dune II's gameplay.

(Your own video calls it a dune II clone mind you, Im not making that up.)

Warcraft began as a clone of Dune 2, in much the same way that many shooters began as "clones" of Wolfenstein (or Doom, or Quake). Dune 2 was (arguably) the first RTS, so any RTS that came after was a "clone". But you're only correct to that extent: Warcraft copied Dune 2's core RTS gameplay.

Beyond that, the only thing actually copied from Dune 2 was the buildings, in the very first version of the game (which was so nascent you couldn't even click on buildings to build units!) Nothing else was copied or "cloned" from the game: just those graphic assets (that were soon replaced), and the basic idea of an RTS.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by shovelquest [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ALso

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"what kind of game is warhammer"

You ssend units to go attack each other

"What kind of game is warcraft?"

You send units to attack each other.

There's more to both but one is clearly a "digital version" of the physical game.

The guy that started making warcraft probably played dune II and was like, "this would be cool if it was warhammer"

Same way the guys who played EQ were like, "we can make a better EQ" or whatever it was we already went through in this same thread happened with the world of warcraft game.

By your logic every RTS is a clone of Dune 2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Reiwa]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Warcraft began as a clone of Dune 2, in much the same way that many shooters began as "clones" of Wolfenstein (or Doom, or Quake). Dune 2 was (arguably) the first RTS, so any RTS that came after was a "clone". But you're only correct to that extent: Warcraft copied Dune 2's core RTS gameplay.

Beyond that, the only thing actually copied from Dune 2 was the buildings, in the very first version of the game (which was so nascent you couldn't even click on buildings to build units!) Nothing else was copied or "cloned" from the game: just those graphic assets (that were soon replaced), and the basic idea of an RTS.

Funny way to say they copied both the gameplay and a broken version of the buildings in WC alpha.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Reiwa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny way to say they copied both the gameplay and a broken version of the buildings in WC alpha.

Watch the video instead of arguing what clearly don't know: it was not "WC Alpha"!

It was "the original Warcraft dev fucking around with trying to make the second RTS ever", and using screenshots of the first to get started. Once he got the basic idea working, he replaced those graphics, so it's not like it was even a demo at the time he used them ... let alone a game (at any stage).