Rogean and Nilbog are Breaking the Law!

[Shac]

the wiki is the only good part of p99, open information for all to see, records of who made the updates or changes, version control.

everything loramin wants the devs to uphold it seems. wiki99 vs p99��️

[loramin]

Originally Posted by DeathsSilkyMist [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are LITERALLY playing Everquest. Do you not realize everything in the Everquest client is NOT owned by the P99 devs? It is owned by the company that owns the Everquest IP. You cannot have an Everquest emulator without that lol.

Normally it is illegal to take someone else's product and re-distribute it as your own. That is why P99 is a pretty unique case, most emulators get shut down.

You're very wrong about that. There are tons of 100% legal emulators all over the Internet, and Nintendo, Sega, etc. can't do squat about them. They can pursue people who spread the ROMs, but emulators (which don't copy any original code are) absolutely are legal, because by definition their code isn't anyone else's, it's brand new.

EQ Emulator as a project faces zero realistic legal threat from SOE. It's only people using the client, the copyrighted assets within it, or the trademarks (eg. the term EverQuest) ... ie. P99 ... who potentially face risk (risk they alleviated with the agreement).

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Shac [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the wiki is the only good part of p99, open information for all to see, records of who made the updates or changes, version control.

everything loramin wants the devs to uphold it seems. wiki99 vs p99��️

Seriously, I'm in favor of the devs keeping details private here. I've said as much in many posts prior to this.

But I'm MORE in favor of respecting the law and the wishes of developers whose code you use. This is what I do for a living (or at least I used to; now I teach it), and if someone ripped off my work I'd be pissed. If they don't have an agreement with the EQEmulator people, and they use EQEmulator code, that's what R&N are doing.

Look, no one held Rogean and Nilbog at gunpoint and forced them to use someone else's code: that was a choice they made.

[DeathsSilkyMist]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're very wrong about that. There are tons of 100% legal emulators all over the Internet, and Nintendo, Sega, etc. can't do squat about them. They can pursue people who spread the ROMs, but emulators (which don't copy any original code are) absolutely legal, because by definition their code isn't anyone else's, it's brand new.

EQ Emulator as a project faces zero realistic legal threat from SOE. It's only people using the client, the copyrighted assets within it, or the trademarks (eg. the term EverQuest) ... ie. P99 ... who potentially face risk (risk they alleviated with the agreement).

You are wrong. If they couldn't take legal action against P99, the dev's wouldn't have needed to get Daybreak's consent to continue. They wouldn't need to ban RMT, and they wouldn't need to accept donations, they could just charge people money.

Most of those "100% legal" emulators are not legal, Sega just has no interest in pursuing legal action. There is a difference.

[Danth]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's (literally) about the EQ Emulator IP.

Am I out of the loop with respect to who controls EQ-Emulator? When I first started on here, Rogean controlled EQ-EMU and also took interest in P1999. Has Rogean stepped down from control of EQ-EMU? If not, it seems unlikely he would be inclined to sue himself. I admit I do not pay close attention so correct me if I am out of date.

Danth

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Danth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Am I out of the loop with respect to who controls EQ-Emulator? When I first started on here, Rogean controlled EQ-EMU and also took interest in P1999. Has Rogean stepped down from control of EQ-EMU? If not, it seems unlikely he would be inclined to sue himself. I admit I do not pay close attention so correct me if I am out of date.

Danth

Honestly I thought it was a project with many contributors, and I didn't know who the BDFL (if any) was. If it truly is Rogean then you're right, he's not at any risk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

(NOTE: The project lists 72 contributors: that's 72 people's code that P99 is potentially using, while ignoring the one thing those 72 people requested ... even IF Rogean is the founding and/or controlling member.)

[Jibartik]

ou're very wrong about that. There are tons of 100% legal emulators all over the Internet, and Nintendo, Sega, etc. can't do squat about them

bro the young lawyer is way off about this.

you cannot make mods of nintendo games go find me some roms right now.

The only reason any mod can exist is out of good faith.

Good faith you are threatening pretty hard with these accusations that involve courts and legality which are the only thing that can threaten good faith (and my baby hitler coments so im one to talk) but Ill quit if you quit.

[Shac]

if everyone knows the work they used to develop their flavor of eqemu, then what is the real issue. it's not like they're stealing anything, they're just developing ontop?

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Jibartik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

bro the young lawyer is way off about this.

you cannot make mods of nintendo games go find me some roms right now.

The only reason any mod can exist is out of good faith.

I was talking about emulators, not mods. The two are completely different legally.

Mods, by definition, involve working with copyrighted code (the source code you are modifying). Emulators just simulate the original thing they emulate: they aren't actually that original thing.

(Again, I'm speaking about a class of emulator: one that does not use the original source code. EQ Emu qualifies, as no one even has the original source code to copy. An emulator that does use original code obviously wouldn't count.)

[Shac]

it's like if I order a pizza from Pizza Hut.

then I add a can of soup on top, everyones like ehh it's pizza hut, wtf is this beans on too?

and I'll be like it's not pizza hut anymore it's my version, enjoy. and they all eat it, and go ew i hate this flavor of pizza i am going to tell pizza hut to not sell you any pizzas as you dishonor the very nature of our young hut. then I just tell them gl, they're under gplu3v25 and they don't really care about the version i make to their pizza.

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