What have we not thought of

[Kiithsa]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Take all the sheep out and you have are wolves. They're gonna eat each other once there are no sheep and the server will die.

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Kiithsa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.

*barks*

[myrddraal]

Originally Posted by Kiithsa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've heard casuals make this argument, that the hardcore folks don't want to actually compete if they can't win easily and tease casuals by waving pixels over their heads.

This is the first time I've actually seen an admission from the opposing side.

This explains what you're afraid of. You might be a "wolf" on this server, but you're not an alpha wolf. You're a beta wolf, and on a competitive server, you'd be a sheep.

its literally what happened to shadowbane. There wasnt content for the sheep, the wolves drove them off the servers, didnt get enough funding, shadowbane went under.

[unsunghero]

Originally Posted by myrddraal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its literally what happened to shadowbane. There wasnt content for the sheep, the wolves drove them off the servers, didnt get enough funding, shadowbane went under.

God I loved Shadowbane though

Fire Templar all the way

[Polixa]

I totally agree with Yendorlootmonkey in this thread.

All these crazies in favour of "competition". Competitively calling in sick from work or competitively dropping playtime with the family because a mob spawned. Competitively pissing in a bucket so they can keep competitively clicking a button for hours on end.

I want to play PvE and experience the content but the content is not available if I don't join the zerg brigade.

My classic experience was our guild would rally for Nagafen. Wipe, CR, wipe, CR and get it on the 3rd or 4th try (or go home).

Can't happen here. On this server the dragons are dead because Team 600Members logged in and killed them 2 minutes after spawning.

If this was how "competition" worked then real life sports would not have scheduled kick off times and your team would be 1-0 down from the kickoff because the other team got to the stadium before yours did.

But it's not like that because that's not how competition works, except in P99 retarded raid scene.

[Tunabros]

Originally Posted by Polixa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally agree with Yendorlootmonkey in this thread.

All these crazies in favour of "competition". Competitively calling in sick from work or competitively dropping playtime with the family because a mob spawned. Competitively pissing in a bucket so they can keep competitively clicking a button for hours on end.

I want to play PvE and experience the content but the content is not available if I don't join the zerg brigade.

My classic experience was our guild would rally for Nagafen. Wipe, CR, wipe, CR and get it on the 3rd or 4th try (or go home).

Can't happen here. On this server the dragons are dead because Team 600Members logged in and killed them 2 minutes after spawning.

If this was how "competition" worked then real life sports would not have scheduled kick off times and your team would be 1-0 down from the kickoff because the other team got to the stadium before yours did.

But it's not like that because that's not how competition works, except in P99 retarded raid scene.

git gud

[loramin]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

git gud

An eloquent summation of the entirety of the argument against rotations.

[Polixa]

Originally Posted by Tunabros [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

git gud

Git

[Mblake1981]

Originally Posted by Polixa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I totally agree with Yendorlootmonkey in this thread.

All these crazies in favour of "competition". Competitively calling in sick from work or competitively dropping playtime with the family because a mob spawned. Competitively pissing in a bucket so they can keep competitively clicking a button for hours on end.

I want to play PvE and experience the content but the content is not available if I don't join the zerg brigade.

My classic experience was our guild would rally for Nagafen. Wipe, CR, wipe, CR and get it on the 3rd or 4th try (or go home).

Can't happen here. On this server the dragons are dead because Team 600Members logged in and killed them 2 minutes after spawning.

If this was how "competition" worked then real life sports would not have scheduled kick off times and your team would be 1-0 down from the kickoff because the other team got to the stadium before yours did.

But it's not like that because that's not how competition works, except in P99 retarded raid scene.

Three options that I see.

1. Maintain honor, destroy the top guilds and absorb their brain trust. Just like the USA did after WW2.

2. Complain on forums, join their guilds and keep your head tucked down in shame, content with your place as a 'Warm Body'.

3. Don't raid. Who cares about BIS unless its a personal goal to have it. It is not required for anything other than your personal sense of l33t. This game starts you with nothing. You can leave it with nothing much at all and still have had a good time.
Raiding, raid mentality is not EQ. Its part of EQ. Of course in later expansions that became the focus, EQ died in its sleep.

[JDAm0nk]

Originally Posted by Mblake1981 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

3. Don't raid. Who cares about BIS unless its a personal goal to have it. It is not required for anything other than your personal sense of l33t. This game starts you with nothing. You can leave it with nothing much at all and still have had a good time.
Raiding, raid mentality is not EQ. Its part of EQ. Of course in later expansions that became the focus, EQ died in its sleep.

I don't raid and yet I would still like to see a more casual server with rotations.

It's not just about raiding or even end-game content.

It's because the greedy, anti-social, competitive attitude of some has an influence on the whole server. It's why you see such ridiculous prices in Green's EC (people selling Conch Shell Horns for 2k is just one example). It's why the server is a ghost-land in many zones.

I'm still enjoying myself and avoiding the BS - but if there is another active server out there that is time-locked at Velious, has all classic zones, and doesn't allow boxing or RMT (although that is debatable here), please let me know...