A 4-team, hard-coded setup that could work

[Aenor]

My previous thread discussed a Rallos-style setup with +/- 6 level spread for PvP. There was some insistence in that thread that only a team-based setup could work.

Therefore, here's my proposal for a 4-team, hard-coded server:

Team: Darkies
Races: Dark Elf, Ogre, Troll, Gnome
Cities: Neriak, Oggok, Grobb, Ak'Anon
Classes: Cleric, Enchanter, Mage, Necromancer, Rogue, Shadow Knight, Shaman, Warrior, Wizard

Team: Lighties
Races: Dwarf, Halfling, High Elf, Wood Elf
Cities: Kaladim, Rivervale, Felwithe, Kelethin
Classes: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Enchanter, Mage, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Warrior, Wizard

Team: Evil humans
Races: Human, Erudite, Barbarian
Cities: Freeport, Paineel, Halas
Classes: Bard, Cleric, Enchanter, Mage, Monk, Necromancer, Rogue, Shadowknight, Shaman, Warrior, Wizard

Team: Good humans
Races: Human, Half Elf, Erudite
Cities: Qeynos, Surefall Glade, Erudin
Classes: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Enchanter, Mage, Monk, Paladin, Ranger, Rogue, Warrior, Wizard

[Troy]

How do you decide which humans/erudites are good and which are evil besides clr/pal/shd/nec?

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Troy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you decide which humans/erudites are good and which are evil besides clr/pal/shd/nec?

Just that. It gives the world context. The story of this server is that it's post-Race War. Freeport is fallen and all good humans have retreated to Qeynos. The Barbarians have declared war on Qeynos and the gnomes have finally revealed their despicable nature by joining with the darkies.

The original Race War servers would have never worked as hard-coded servers because the Elf team got screwed on classes. Elven Royal Guard were the one guild on Vallon that stayed Elf purist. Every raid target they took down was a major accomplishment given the restrictions they imposed on themselves.

Sullon did not work because opening the server with Kunark gave the evil team an insurmountable advantage. Evils had an entire expansion to themselves where they could level to 60 without ever seeing a good or newt, while the latter were in each other's faces from day one, often sharing starting cities.

One thing I liked about Vallon was that whoever started in the same city as me was on my team. You don't log in to random ganking as it was on Rallos so it's more friendly to new players and supports a larger population.

At the same time I think 3 teams is too few. One team ends up being underpopulated and it's basically very close to WoW-style good vs. evil which blows dick. Race War was incredible back in the day because the cross teaming allowed a lot of political options. For this server, however, I say go hard coded to solve the problem of immortal healing.

[solid]

Having teams without bards on a pvp server is a joke.

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having teams without bards on a pvp server is a joke.

From my understanding, Darkies won Tallon and were extremely competitive on Vallon without Bards. Point not taken. However I did miss bards on the Lightie team. That gives them 10 classes and softens the blow of no feign death class somewhat.

[solid]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my understanding, Darkies won Tallon and were extremely competitive on Vallon without Bards. Point not taken. However I did miss bards on the Lightie team. That gives them 10 classes and softens the blow of no feign death class somewhat.

n=2, statistically insignificant for forecasting.

Anyway, you would have to be retarded to knowingly roll a character on any team without bards & sham buffs. Evil humans win. Next server.

[Envious]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my understanding, Darkies won Tallon and were extremely competitive on Vallon without Bards. Point not taken. However I did miss bards on the Lightie team. That gives them 10 classes and softens the blow of no feign death class somewhat.

Neg. PDM won TZ, with massive amounts of invuln healing / xteaming / gear advantage / massive numbers.

[JayDee]

Originally Posted by Aenor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From my understanding, Darkies won Tallon

No druids either

All 3 of our opposing teams had to band together just to compete.

[Cfullard]

Originally Posted by solid [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Having teams without bards on a pvp server is a joke.

Rofl - Vallon Zek was dark team controlled. Period. They had no bards, they had no druids but Dark team ruled that server and just like Tallon forced the 'Good' races to team up just to stand a chance.

Please know wtf you're talking about before you hurp-durp your way into a thread with carebear statements like this. Dark Team PvE'd for gear and did so without 'must have' classes. If this is going to be like TZ / VZ it needs to look like this.

Human Team -
Humans Barbarians Erudite
Freeport, Qeynos, Halas, Erudin, Paineel

Elven Team -
Wood Elf, Half Elf, High Elf
Kelethin, Felwithe

Short Team
Dwarf, Halfling, Gnome
Kaladim, Akanon, Rivervale

Evil Team
Trolls, Ogres, Dark Elf (Kunark, Iksar)
Neriak, Grobb, Oggok, Cabalis

It worked, it just did, and in truth I wish it would stay this way because for those of us who did TZ/VZ this is what we are used to.

Also, if I remember correctly it was

Humans - Blue names
Elves - Yellow Names
Evil - Orange name
Shorts - Purple

[Aenor]

Originally Posted by Cfullard [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It worked, it just did.

I am 100% in favor of P99 Red being an exact copy of Vallon/Tallon Zek circa 1999. If you want to copy one of the classic rulesets, why not copy the only one that was so popular they had to carbon copy it onto a second server?

Soft-coded teams would also solve Knuckle's issue. If you can group and guild across teams, you don't have to worry about the population being too thinly divided among hard coded teams. Then you have the political dynamic of purist guilds vs. cross teamers and may the biggest ballsack win.