Why is America so prudish? (might contain NSFW stuff?!)

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Me too, Fawqueue. And hey, sounds clear enough to me.

It's all relativism without an omnipotent sky wizard to back it up [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Horza]

Originally Posted by Fawqueue [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's quite easy to prove. Plenty of upstanding people of high character behave well because they want to, not because they believe God is keeping tabs on them. I don't follow or believe in any religion, and I'm a strict rule follower and I'm generally kind to everyone I meet. I don't have affairs or steal and have never been in trouble with the law. I'm sure everyone knows someone that isn't a religious person, but is still a good one. That's your proof!

Considering Teppler wants us to live in racially segregated ethnostates, I'd wager you have very different ideas of what constitutes good character.

[Llanos]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Religion is not necessary for morality. I’m not sure how to prove that, but that’s my opinion, at least.

[Teppler]

Llanos, that's such a hokey picture of an atheist. Its said anytime an atheist does something good it's about them having some inner higher morality than anyone else. Give me a break. This is what I mean when I say atheists tend to be up their own asses. What if the atheist had a big reward on the other side of his or her gesture? Bad consequences if they did something wrong? What happens when push comes to shove and two atheists both think they are doing the right thing?

Honestly the most caring and charitable people I've ever met were christian priests. The services, charity, visiting sick people, deathbeds.... all for free. What atheist groups are doing this?

[Wonkie]

I think you can be a good person without religion, but you can't be moral.

Yes, I am that persnickety.

[Videri]

Originally Posted by Wonkie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you can be a good person without religion, but you can't be moral.

Yes, I am that persnickety.

*scratches the kitty behind the ears* Sure, kitty.

Religion is not necessary for being a good person.

And no, Teppler, that won’t eventually make me into Pol Pot.

I’m not going to bother trying to prove it and trying to make you guys believe it too. It’s ok with me if I do not convince anyone. I just felt it should be stated.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Videri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

*scratches the kitty behind the ears* Sure, kitty.

Religion is not necessary for being a good person.

And no, Teppler, that won’t eventually make me into Pol Pot.

I’m not going to bother trying to prove it and trying to make you guys believe it too. It’s ok with me if I do not convince anyone. I just felt it should be stated.

You won’t be Pol Pot because you’re not going to be a world leader and have those pressures but you’ll have a similar lack of morality. Or better way to phrase it- you’ll have a similar option to justify an atrocity you might commit which is scary to me. And when entire societies take atheistic viewpoints it leads to leaders like Pol Pot that can commit massive atrocities, so you’re aiding a certain type of society and atrocity by supporting atheism.

Stick with your families traditions that have been built up for thousands of years. Your ancestors would be very sad to see you throw away thousands of years of tradition so you can join the mish mash of a non descript 99% average no thought commoners. You’ve been brainwashed to abandon the only people you actually have blood connections to in this world.

[Jimjam]

So you defend pedophile priests as a minority of instances and not representative of catholic as a whole, yet at the same time use just 3 world leaders to argue christian = morality, non christian = no morality?

Religion may or may not alter morality of an individual (and as per my previous post the direction of causality is questionable) but clearly it is not as clear cut as you make out. Especially as 'morality' is fuzzy, even in the bible goalposts shift (as already shown). The ultimate morality set out by Jesus is to love creator, creation and man.

We agree to be glad that some people have religion holding them back.

[Jimjam]

Polpot was an anti establishment denier of experts. Right? I'm not an expert myself.

We're all blood related Brother Teppler!

[Teppler]

I mean you can anecdotally talk about how you know tons of atheists and they great people. And I can tell you how I know a bunch and they are largely ugly people on a personal level, arrogant, selfish and generally fuck ups but that’s anecdotal too. Not worth much without other historical facts.

What historical examples do we have from atheistic societies? They are really ugly and they are able to justify massive atrocities because they don’t fear thus have to answer to god.

It’s much easier to wipe out 100k people when you don’t think you have to ultimately answer to god.