Kantok should have his name changed Kantnecro

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[Tenlaar]

"Furthermore, if you examine point seven of thirteen explaining how I definitely don't care, you will clearly see..."

[cd288]

Originally Posted by axisofebola [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A tale of mad and badness in misty thicket.

So I'm killing the gate guards in misty thicket. This necro Kantok sits just behind me where I'm killing them, and he sits there an unusual amount of time with no tells/activity, maybe in excess of two hours.

He finally messages me, asking if I'll tell him when the camp is free. I say sure, no problem. He leaves.

Fast forward another hour or two. A warrior named Hadwin(?)was looking for a SoW for CR. Now, i usually wouldn't do this for most people but for a warrior I figured I'd take the time to help him out. So I told him I'd hit him with SoW after i clear the next respawn if he stays near the RV entrance.

So I go SoW Hadwin. Come back to camp and 1 of the 4 mobs I'm usually killing has respawned, which is normal since the lower level ones die faster they repop a little sooner. But here is Kantok back again claiming this camp is his because "I left" it. Not only were most of the guards dead when he arrived, their corpses were still rotting on the ground, and this guy 100% knew I was camping them.


So I offer to help him split some guard spawns in RV so he could kill there(where the exp is much better I might add) and I could stay in misty. He of course says no because this is "his camp". Eventually it boils down to us claiming single spawns and everything else is FTE.

At one point all the guards respawned at about the same time. Kantok pulls 3 guards and then FDs right on top of me. Of course I get aggro and I'm running around giving him an earful for training me in tellst . At the same time kantok jumps up pulls one of the guards to him and in his zeal to kill as fast as possible and get as many FTE as possible manages to drop himself into critical HP. So of course the 2 mobs he dropped on me run over to him and kill him.

Pretty hilarious, I thought, and at that point i could have petitioned he trained me and he'd have a vacation. But upon seeing how much of a moron this guy was, I was not sure this training was the result of malice or just dipshittery. So I wasn't going to do that unless he did it again, but he then messages me that HE is going to petition ME for training HIM. LOL.

in any event, I think Kantok got a much needed vacation. You really need to chill out, dude, and stop making enemies over such trivial shit.

Idk who is telling the truth about the training, etc., but technically the person you're calling out is right. By the letter of the server rules, if you leave the camp then you can no longer claim it and someone else can take it. You could've just run into RV to bank or vendor for example and come back out 30 seconds later and someone could take the camp in that time. The second you leave the camp, it's no longer yours. That's facts.

Now, we can say the defendant is a jerk or whatever and should be a bit nicer about you going to help someone out with a SoW for a CR, but he's technically not wrong that he can come and take the camp when you leave. Better thing for you to do in the future to avoid any issues would be to have the person needing the SoW come to you at your camp.

[axisofebola]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Idk who is telling the truth about the training, etc., but technically the person you're calling out is right. By the letter of the server rules, if you leave the camp then you can no longer claim it and someone else can take it. You could've just run into RV to bank or vendor for example and come back out 30 seconds later and someone could take the camp in that time. The second you leave the camp, it's no longer yours. That's facts.

Now, we can say the defendant is a jerk or whatever and should be a bit nicer about you going to help someone out with a SoW for a CR, but he's technically not wrong that he can come and take the camp when you leave. Better thing for you to do in the future to avoid any issues would be to have the person needing the SoW come to you at your camp.

Not quite true. What is supposed to happen is the other guy who shows up later and is interested in taking the camp that was already being held is supposed to make it known he is contesting the camp. He actually did the entire opposite, telling me he was leaving and to tell him when I'm done with the camp.

Additionally, the "second you leave the camp" is also not true. Even after being contested, you only have to maintain a presence "nearby" in the zone, not right at the spawn/camp.

And it doesn't matter anyway, i already conceded he could rule lawyer if he wanted and it would mean each claiming a spawn and everything else is FTE.

Originally Posted by Bardp1999 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lots of double and triple posting by OP indicates he is very mad

Think you are confusing who the OP is. I've hardly even posted in this thread as I've said my piece and stated all the facts correctly as they had occurred.

Originally Posted by Khorza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When you abandon a camp, and the zone that it's in, you give up your claim to the camp. You can make up some bullshit term like "elf lawyering" but the obvious truth here is that Kantok was following the server's rules and you were not.


OP case is a sympathetic one, but he was definitely the one in the wrong here.

No, he didn't follow the rules. He trained me. Additionally, in an outdoor zone you can only technically claim one spawn and that's exactly what happened in this instance. The camping rules were 100% followed to the letter.

[cd288]

Originally Posted by axisofebola [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not quite true. What is supposed to happen is the other guy who shows up later and is interested in taking the camp that was already being held is supposed to make it known he is contesting the camp. He actually did the entire opposite, telling me he was leaving and to tell him when I'm done with the camp.

Additionally, the "second you leave the camp" is also not true. Even after being contested, you only have to maintain a presence "nearby" in the zone, not right at the spawn.

This is incorrect. You literally have to be at the camp for the most part. By maintaining a presence nearby in the zone they mean like you can go a bit back from the camp if it’s dangerous to camp right next to it.

If you leave the camp you lose it. For instance, if you run off to vendor quick, you lose the camp (hence why people doing camps like Felwithe guards will pay people to go vendor the loot for them).

You have a misunderstanding of the rules. Sorry.

[Valeriya]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is incorrect. You literally have to be at the camp for the most part. By maintaining a presence nearby in the zone they mean like you can go a bit back from the camp if it’s dangerous to camp right next to it.

If you leave the camp you lose it. For instance, if you run off to vendor quick, you lose the camp (hence why people doing camps like Felwithe guards will pay people to go vendor the loot for them).

You have a misunderstanding of the rules. Sorry.

shut up

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by cd288 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is incorrect. You literally have to be at the camp for the most part. By maintaining a presence nearby in the zone they mean like you can go a bit back from the camp if it’s dangerous to camp right next to it.

If you leave the camp you lose it. For instance, if you run off to vendor quick, you lose the camp (hence why people doing camps like Felwithe guards will pay people to go vendor the loot for them).

You have a misunderstanding of the rules. Sorry.

This is only true is the camp is being contested. If nobody is contesting, you can absolutely go sell and whatnot as long as you dont die/zone/fail to return before respawn. Once someone communicates their intention to contest, then you need to maintain presence.

Directly from the PNP, underlined relevant part:

[QUOTE]That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

[cd288]

[QUOTE=Tethler;3039554]This is only true is the camp is being contested. If nobody is contesting, you can absolutely go sell and whatnot as long as you dont die/zone/fail to return before respawn. Once someone communicates their intention to contest, then you need to maintain presence.

Directly from the PNP, underlined relevant part:

That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders (or the room if there are no placeholders) cleared, within the same zone, do not die or log off. You do not necessarily need to be at the spawn point to call it 'claimed' while it is uncontested, however, if someone else wishes to contest the 'camp' you do need to return to the 'camp' and maintain a presence at or very near the spawn(s) in order to hold it. You cannot hold multiple 'camps' if another group wishes to contest one that you are holding. The player holding multiple 'camps' retains the right to choose which 'camp' to give up.

And defendant had said he wanted the camp when OP was done with it and had been sitting there for hours waiting soooo....

Seems contested to me

[Tethler]

opps, forgot the closing [/QUOTE] tag. Anyway, you get the point.

[axisofebola]

Originally Posted by kamal2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lmao just found this post, merry left out a couple of points

first point she missed was she was gone for over 10mins
other point she missed was she was mad i didnt "contest the camp or stake a claim (i was only one above level 4 in zone when i got there

First off, I was not gone anywhere near 10 minutes. I ran to the RV zone line, cast SoW and came back. That's a max of 3 mins. Sorry, but people killing guards for either exp or cash don't make it a habit to leave mobs for no good reason. I can run and med on med ticks and be back to my spawn before it fully repops with 100% mana and ready to go.

Since you are dumbfuck noob necro, you don't quite understand then when you kill 4 at once the lower level ones die first and will repop sooner. You saw one up, and you saw I was sitting in my normal meditation spot that you sat staring at me for hours sitting in early and thought it would be a great time to try to camp steal.

Originally Posted by kamal2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

another wrong part was she said i trained her, she sat (literally) 2 feet from the gate and wouldnt move despite me asking 5x cuz im pulling, she didnt then complained when she got aggro.

Now this is where everyone reading this knows you are a liar. if I was sitting so close to the guards I would have got the aggro myself. You are in an outdoor zone where you can pull mobs in up to 180 degrees out of the gate. You deiced to pull them straight to where I was meditating instead of any other direction. It's not my job to always make sure your stupid noob necro ass isn't going to dump a train on me when I play EQ. it's your job to not drop them on other people, otherwise it's training.

Originally Posted by kamal2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on top of that she left out the part where she ran around guards in a circle over me to have them to try to aggro me, or the part where she rooted mobs where i was kiting

I never rooted mobs you were kiting i rooted mobs I had FTEs on and you were too stupid to realize I had done so, though. You literally died like 15 seconds after you tried to get up from FD. I really didn't have much time to do much running at all let alone in circles. i had about enough time to hit numblock and type you out a tell how stupid you were, You got that plat lust and weren't paying attention to your health, like the dumb noob you are.

Originally Posted by kamal2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

funny you made a post about it and left out all the major parts to it ( like how u werent in zone for over 10mins when i got there, or the fact i only do 2 guards and they were dead well before you got there)

No, i came up behind you while you were killing the lowest level one and was deciding how i was going to approach this since i clearly knew you were trying to camp steal. Like everyone killing guards in misty knows your camp stealing antics.

there s only like a 6 min spawn in misty if I was out of zone for 10 minutes with travel time from RV that would have given 2 full sets of repopped guards. Again easy to veify this guy is a liar.