Request for a different policy on (game-changing) specific item camps

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if our bard leaves, we can't find another bard because a mage is waiting at the camp?

Or does it only apply if one of the same class is sitting there, even though 3 people in the group have had terrible experiences with that bard waiting there who doesn't know how to play?

Or is it only on camps arbitrarily labeled as easy? I'm sure GMs want even more hassle on their plate because you feel entitled to be let into someone else's group.

No Soup (for djou!),

I think the idea is that if the first group needed to replace someone, let them do it. That group as an entity, is still the group holding the camp. They don't need to have pull from people waiting around. They own the camp, they can do what they want with it while they are playing there. They just can't "will it" to somebody else.

[soup]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No Soup (for djou!),

I think the idea is that if the first group needed to replace someone, let them do it. That group as an entity, is still the group holding the camp. They don't need to have pull from people waiting around. They own the camp, they can do what they want with it while they are playing there. They just can't "will it" to somebody else.

So you want an arbitrary cluster fuck?

So I'm doing CoS camp with 3 guildmates. Someone runs up, but since we're our own group we don't need to let them in, okay. We decide we want a bard, so we invite a pro bard from a guild, he comes in, cool. I decide I'm leaving, so I leave. The remainder of people holding the camp do that for a round or two, then invite another person from the guild, then someone who was there already leaves, etc. until a few hours later none of the original members are in the group anymore. At what point does your proposed rule of "only people waiting can be in line" get invoked? Is it if we cycle members in under a certain time frame? If we cycle too many at once?

[Kika Maslyaka]

Originally Posted by soup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if our bard leaves, we can't find another bard because a mage is waiting at the camp?

Or does it only apply if one of the same class is sitting there, even though 3 people in the group have had terrible experiences with that bard waiting there who doesn't know how to play?

Or is it only on camps arbitrarily labeled as easy? I'm sure GMs want even more hassle on their plate because you feel entitled to be let into someone else's group.

you can put anyone you like in your group - they just will be in line behind who ever was there before them.
You can have 3 different groups sitting in same camp spot, as long as Waiting List is observed in proper order.

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In alternative (better) approach: count it in KILLS of a named mob

So we have players A and B camping named mob Z - they together form a group 1 - a single entity

Now players C and D show up. Now if they can either join group 1 already there and share equally OR they can form another entity group 2, which case they placed on a wait line.

Then it works like this:
-mob Z spawns, and group 1 has the first kill
-next spawn of Z will now go to group 2
-next spawn of Z goes back to group 1
-next spawn of Z goes back to group 2 again
etc

now players E and F show up at the camp. They can either join any of the existing groups (without breaking the lien order), or they can form group 3, which will be placed into existing rotation after group 2

IMHo - this is VERY straightforward and simple approach

[soup]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you can put anyone you like in your group - they just will be in line behind who ever was there before them.
You can have 3 different groups sitting in same camp spot, as long as Waiting List is observed in proper order.

So you're advocating a system where groups can't choose who joins their group but rather are forced to take the guy just because he's standing there? That's what it sounds like when you say "you can put anyone you like in your group - they just will be in line behind who ever was there before them."

You're saying that groups should be forced to accept anyone who just walks up to them? What exactly are you saying here?

[Vendar]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then it works like this:
-mob Z spawns, and group 1 has the first kill
-next spawn of Z will now go to group 2
-next spawn of Z goes back to group 1
-next spawn of Z goes back to group 2 again
etc

now players E and F show up at the camp. They can either join any of the existing groups (without breaking the lien order), or they can form group 3, which will be placed into existing rotation after group 2

IMHo - this is VERY straightforward and simple approach

this is the most retarded thing i have ever heard of in my life. Guilds that are able to hold down camps deserves those camps. join a better guild or wait til they leave. try to understand not everything is about you, and that u may have to wait for certain things if u decide you dont want to be in a large guild. the exact reason people join those guilds is to get access to zones/gear, why can't you understand that?

cry less plz

[mwatt]

Originally Posted by Kika Maslyaka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

make it a rule, that the ONLY people who can be put on the list are those who physically present at the camp spot AT ALL TIME - if they not here or they left the dungeon - they NOT on the list [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any one who arrives after you - is placed behind you in the wait line

Exactly what I am saying as well.

[soup]

Originally Posted by mwatt [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Exactly what I am saying as well.

Right, your advocating for groups to not have total discretion in who joins the group. I can't invite the pro bard in my guild to help me out because a scrubby bard is standing in front of me, or something.

Like I said before, I don't think you guys have thoroughly thought about what it is you're advocating.

[bwe]

just take the camp screw their guild

[mipstien]

problem i see -
in classic we didn't know about these items so they weren't locked down. that also means you didn't know about the items and wouldn't have camped them either. so accept that this is a really buffed classic and everything is just 10x the pain in the ass it use to be.

[randal.flagg]

Originally Posted by mipstien [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

problem i see -
in classic we didn't know about these items so they weren't locked down. that also means you didn't know about the items and wouldn't have camped them either. so accept that this is a really buffed classic and everything is just 10x the pain in the ass it use to be.

ha, great minds think alike... dead on