Greens sounds so pleasant

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by DMN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't answer those points because I not only didn't make those initial claims, thus had no reason to address them, but I also realized he was exaggerating for effect.


Bard kiting is less of problem on blue for a couple reasons. First, is that there are so many large zones available now with kunark and velious out that they have less of an impact. That's not going to be the case on green. Second,anyone who wanted to play a bard and swarm kites is already close to level 60 or at level 60, so you aren't going to see them swarming.

Bard kiting was so problematical on blue that they already nerfed it once and even had to cook up special rules regarding it. This problematical nature is going to be magnified several times over on green.

Fair enough, but my original comment on the matter was about the guy that said they would basically be keeping everyone else from being able to level at launch by tying up all the mobs in the newbie zones. I wanted to know how they are going to be able to outpace everyone else to accomplish that.

I'm not saying it's not an issue. What I am saying is that I don't see how bards are going to be able to lock down all the newbie areas so nobody can level up at launch.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair enough, but my original comment on the matter was about the guy that said they would basically be keeping everyone else from being able to level at launch by tying up all the mobs in the newbie zones. I wanted to know how they are going to be able to outpace everyone else to accomplish that.

I'm not saying it's not an issue. What I am saying is that I don't see how bards are going to be able to lock down all the newbie areas so nobody can level up at launch.

Guild feeds a bard exp to level them up quickly so they can start to effectively swarm kite as fast as possible. Get your second PBAOE in your teens and then dominate the zones after that with swarming. That's what I assume he's referring to.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fair enough, but my original comment on the matter was about the guy that said they would basically be keeping everyone else from being able to level at launch by tying up all the mobs in the newbie zones. I wanted to know how they are going to be able to outpace everyone else to accomplish that.

I'm not saying it's not an issue. What I am saying is that I don't see how bards are going to be able to lock down all the newbie areas so nobody can level up at launch.

this guy was level four... its going to be the most insane shit show just wait.

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[Keza]

On one hand we have people saying there needs to be multiple servers because there isn't enough mobs.

On another we have people complaining about how bards will take all the mobs.

How can the bards take the mobs if there is so many people that there are no mobs to take? While I don't agree that we need multiple servers, their logic is sound in that there won't be any mobs to spare and therefor there will be nothing for bards to monopolize. You're going to be running around desperate to find a single mob to kill just like the launch of every MMO ever. Don't let the delusional people fool you into thinking otherwise and don't let them persuade you into thinking that shouldn't be the case. If people were as knowledgeable in classic EQ about class imbalances, ZEM etc the game would have been garbage as, let's be honest, it's horribly imbalanced and has a lot of design flaws.

As for the OP's comment.. I'm not quite as interested in the only zones that are popularized on blue being popularized on green (without twinks) as I am zones that no one ever goes to, but both are pretty excitig for someone wanting to relive classic EQ.

[DMN]

Originally Posted by Keza [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On one hand we have people saying there needs to be multiple servers because there isn't enough mobs.

On another we have people complaining about how bards will take all the mobs.

How can the bards take the mobs if there is so many people that there are no mobs to take?

Pretty easy because a bard "takes" a mob in a couple seconds, everyone else takes 20-50 times longer to take a mob. Bard has tracking, bard has the fastest movment speed in the game. The bard can keep taking and rounding shit up. While this is occurring the mobs the bard has taken are not respawning. Unlike when a non bard takes a mob, which will immediately start a timer for a respawn. This has an incredible stiffing effect for anyone trying to exp in that zone.

[Fammaden]

Bards aren't going to be monopolizing every zone for every level range simultaneously. Even in this worst case scenario being presented of guilds powerleveling each other they would be done with gfay and qhills and shit in fairly short order, and the actual dungeons will be a different beast than some outdoor field.

Plus this all still assumes that green is going to be orders of magnitude more popular than blue for more than the first few weeks which I'm not at all convinced will be the case.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Fammaden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards aren't going to be monopolizing every zone for every level range simultaneously. Even in this worst case scenario being presented of guilds powerleveling each other they would be done with gfay and qhills and shit in fairly short order, and the actual dungeons will be a different beast than some outdoor field.

Plus this all still assumes that green is going to be orders of magnitude more popular than blue for more than the first few weeks which I'm not at all convinced will be the case.

Even if the population of green is half that of blue, every person on green will be in the same few low level zones, rather than spread across the world. Even a few people doing this could cause significant disruption.

[Osprey39]

Originally Posted by Tethler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even if the population of green is half that of blue, every person on green will be in the same few low level zones, rather than spread across the world. Even a few people doing this could cause significant disruption.

I remain skeptical that it's going to be an issue right away. That pic Jibartik posted of the guy that is supposedly level 4? If he is indeed level 4, he's got SoW on or there is no way he would be that far ahead of those mobs. DMN mentioned bards having tracking but they don't get that until level 35 so it's not really relevant to the newbie yards.

Time will tell I suppose but my guess is bards are going to be standing around waiting to whack stuff with their guild issued short sword just like everyone else and by the time they get Selo's, everyone will be heading off to their favorite newbie dungeons where bard kiting isn't an issue.

[Jibartik]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remain skeptical that it's going to be an issue right away. That pic Jibartik posted of the guy that is supposedly level 4? If he is indeed level 4, he's got SoW on or there is no way he would be that far ahead of those mobs. DMN mentioned bards having tracking but they don't get that until level 35 so it's not really relevant to the newbie yards.

Time will tell I suppose but my guess is bards are going to be standing around waiting to whack stuff with their guild issued short sword just like everyone else and by the time they get Selo's, everyone will be heading off to their favorite newbie dungeons where bard kiting isn't an issue.

holup its one thing to disagree that bards are going to be a problem on green99 but to try to argue that you cannot monopolize zones from level 2 with a bard is just flat out casual of you: https://youtu.be/_RGSdtyAifU

If you look at the guides https://wiki.project1999.com/Treasure_Hunting_Guide nearly every zone noobs can use to level, quest and make some coin can be easily controlled by 1 or 2 bards

Im not saying it will happen, but it will happen to many people that think they're going to have a night of fun and adventure on green99 after a long day at work.

[Tethler]

Originally Posted by Osprey39 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remain skeptical that it's going to be an issue right away. That pic Jibartik posted of the guy that is supposedly level 4? If he is indeed level 4, he's got SoW on or there is no way he would be that far ahead of those mobs. DMN mentioned bards having tracking but they don't get that until level 35 so it's not really relevant to the newbie yards.

Time will tell I suppose but my guess is bards are going to be standing around waiting to whack stuff with their guild issued short sword just like everyone else and by the time they get Selo's, everyone will be heading off to their favorite newbie dungeons where bard kiting isn't an issue.

You don't need sow to bard swarm. Strafe running will keep you far enough ahead.