ugh... ToV rotation wtf??

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by Magerin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I dont normally chime in on this server forums but this has to be the worst thing for this server. I mean, to forcefully place junk status guilds in the rotation with zero proof half of those guilds actively killed / FTE / pulled / fielded the numbers to kill any of the NToV mobs is laughable.

This is utter garbage. The only "skill" displayed by the guilds raiding ToV on P99 is racing skills. Who can get-to, FTE, pull fekkin dragons to the zone like a pack of little girls to kill it is what ToV has become. It is the farthest thing from classic it could possibly be.

There are 200 times the number of level 60 characters on P99 than there were on any live server during the Velious era. And I'm only counting the active ones.

You didn't go into ToV racing another guild. You didn't pull dragons to the zone. You didn't use 3k worth of expendables for each pull with 8 monks, 3 SKs, and four DA clerics. Seriously, killing the actual mob is the easiest part of ToV on P99. There is nothing on P99 at this time that can not be killed by 30 level 60 players. No one ever saw "train to WTOV" on live. We crawled in back in the day, but then again we didn't have 200 assholes crawling up our backs either. Oh, we didn't exactly build our own EQ server to practice it all on either. I mean, really?

There were only 125 or maybe 150 total people out of a server population of 7000 who were involved in it at all. Our guild had around 60 total players (all level 60).

My guild was called Black Company, the other was called Enlightened Dark. Strange thing is, we communicated. If they wanted ToV we killed the Dain, or Tormax or went (rarely) back to VP so we didn't get in each other's way. Heck when Luclin came out we split it up right from the start, they got Vex Thal, we got everything else. So yeah, this idea sounds a lot like classic to me.

So don't tell me, one of the few people on P99 that was doing this content on live during this timeframe that cut-throat, backstabbing competition was the norm. It absolutely was not. This is much closer to "classic" than the current situation.

[branamil]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There is nothing on P99 at this time that can not be killed by 30 level 60 players.

Hey no offensive but you're pretty dumb. There's at least 5 that need 50+ not including the unkillable shit

[Ezrick]

Originally Posted by branamil [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hey no offensive but you're pretty dumb. There's at least 5 that need 50+ not including the unkillable shit

I've done it. And I've done it with worse gear than is the norm on P99 today. It isn't done because it doesn't have to be done. The guilds were VERY guild oriented. The goal wasn't to get pixels for players, it was to get pixels for the guild. Selling or giving any loot received in a raid to an alt was the quickest way to get de-guilded. You offered it up in the guild first and only after absolutely no one else wanted it could you dispose of it. Keeping the numbers down geared everyone up for the next expansion. Having 150 or 200 in the guild would never work. It was kept small for a reason.

I recently saw a video on the Sleeper kill on Agnarr. They did it with around 25 people (maybe less, you never saw them all). That is exactly how everything was done. When Luclin came out we did the server-first kill of Seru, with 24 people. (Don't get me wrong, that bastard wiped us repeatedly before we finally succeeded, we didn't just walk in and kill him first try)

Remember, these were rather exclusive guilds. No alts, no shared toons, one character per player, and no one under level 60. They carefully limited their numbers to only the classes they needed and while for clerics like me it was a bit easier (there weren't a lot of clerics back then to start with and level 60 clerics were pretty damn rare) every other class had a ridiculous time getting in and only then when a spot came open. There was always a long list of applicants and very few were invited.

So yeah, it can be done and has been done. We only had 8 clerics total in the guild and the only time we used them all in a rotation that I can remember was during Luclin (Srra basement cycle).

What you have now is exactly the opposite. Even Aftermath will take any level 55 who comes along. Anything to boost the numbers and get more chances that someone answers the bat phone when something pops. Truth is it's almost necessary given the race to every spawn, so I'm not knocking them for it, but it's not classic. If we wanted to do ToV on Thursday instead of Wednesday, we did.

I know for sure the first time I saw a raid with more than 7 groups was after I took a six month break and came back. The new guild I was in was killing the Plane of Fire thing and there were 83 people there. I couldn't believe the number was correct.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Ezrick [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ignorant ramblings.

You are aware these raid mobs are tuned differently to make them harder here right? You cannot and will not ever be able to kill AoW with 30. Keep spewing shit that you did on a server 20 years ago and compare it to what you have no clue about here though.

[Fifield]

fucking might have to look at those 2 new live eq servers coming out in march... dear god i loved my p99 why... WHY!!!

7 years on this server, you build a guild, you start going for mobs, you build your guild up, AG was just starting to become a juggernaught, Core and BG picking up tov dragons. Was about to be a good era of P99.

[Wonkie]

Originally Posted by Fifield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

7 years on this server

i found the problem

[Jan Jensen]

Originally Posted by Fifield [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

7 years on this server, you build a guild, you start going for mobs, you build your guild up, AG was just starting to become a juggernaught, Core and BG picking up tov dragons. Was about to be a good era of P99.

Sadly, this is true. There was finally a glint of actual competition in ToV and this just sunk it completely.

Can we at least hasten this process along and just rotate the entire server please?

[KorafRN]

Important question guys, does this mean HOT is weekly rotated as well?

[Ashenden]

I didn't realize how much this hurt me and all my casual friends, or that the server was literally dead now, until <Aftermath> explained it to me. Thanks for always helping out.

[Nommis]

RIP AM

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