Stormfeather -- Policy Incorrect?

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

5 minutes is NOT a reasonable amount of time to wait for any non raid mob in the game. You might as well ask someone trying to contest said mob to call them on the phone to ask if it's okay to kill the mob they aren't caring enough about to pay attention to.

I've waited a minute at most for everything I've killed, including SF. I have not yet been banned in this game, period.

1 single minute is all anyone needs. Camping a mob SHOULD require at least the diligence of an alarm clock. Its called preparation. Buff before the mob spawns. If you don't know the timer, then you shouldn't be truly AFK to begin with and the whole waiting nonsense is moot point (at least in my book).

If someone's holding a camp and starts buffing shortly after it spawns, kudos bro its yours. If a minute passes without a single move from the camper? Shit is fair game.

I think the 5 minutes isn't just a reaction time, its the amount of time someone can reasonably have to prepare for the fight (medding, waiting on a pather, etc.). Some camps, especially when held at the zone appropriate level, five minutes isn't an unreasonable amount of time imo.

I also wouldn't support a high level sitting at the spawn with a stop watch and engaging at 5:01 when their is a group actively clearing, medding, etc. towards their named spawn. Kinda falls into the category dick baggery.

[loramin]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

though I do not see that changing anytime soon unless you make that a sticky or really follow through with some suspensions. Easy to claim ignorance when it's one line in a sea of posts.

I've been trying to archive relevant staff responses on the wiki on this page: http://wiki.project1999.com/Rulings. It's a work in progress, and I doubt anyone knows to check it since I haven't publicized it at all, but hopefully it's a small step toward solving the more general problem that you raised (a staff member says something here and then it gets lost/forgotten because no one knows about it).

[gkmarino]

Originally Posted by Mauricio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

FYI - If someone is camping it for an alt, they forfeit the loot rights when they swap characters. Source: Sirken ruled this against me.

So opportunists out there, if you see someone camping for an alt, make them race you to the loot!

Firstly:
I thought if you didn't own the kill you don't have any rights to the loot on the corpse. I remember hearing that you can't loot any corpse even if it is about to rot if you don't have permission from whomever owned the kill.

Secondly:
What if you are on an alt, camping this for a main? As long as you haven't looted one already whilst taking your turn at the camp. I understand not wanting jerks to camp it for their low level alts or monopolize lore items. However, hear me out.

What if you are on a main which is a class that risks dying when AFK? If I want to camp this on my 60 warrior and "sleep" which Menden says is healthy. What's to say that midnight doesn't eventually find me and kill me. What if someone trains midnight way past me to align the path-back on to me, that could make it harder to prove that you were trained. Many times I've died to midnight while trying to maintain presence at SF camp.

Am I being unreasonable here?

[gkmarino]

Originally Posted by JayDee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's the best you could come up with? Go back to the drawing board

Seriously i've never heard of people being able to loot npc corpses that they haven't killed.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Menden [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For the most part, a camp is yours as long as you have presence at that camp. If you die, go LD or leave the zone you can lose the camp if another player calls you on it. SF, AC, Lucan are no exceptions.

Staying awake for the duration of SF spawn is dumb and bad for your health, think about it.

Players can absolutely go AFK while camping SF, but they must engage within a reasonable amount of time. I would say 5ish minutes for this encounter. This mob is soloable so no real force is needed. With that, if Player A was camping SF, SF pops, Player A is throwing some buffs on and it takes 5 minutes and 10 seconds to do this(plus med time), I wouldn't advise Player B to attack SF, that'd be a douche move. If SF pops and Player A attacks SF and obviously kiting(delaying), then use your best judgement. But if you are going to step in and nab someone's SFs, there's always a chance you will be suspended so don't cry to me, be damn well sure you are in the right because if that kiting player is trying to slow/snare/gain mana/whatever and you use this post as an excuse to attack SF, I will come down on you hard.

Also with SF, there's no PHs or guards to keep down. It's no different than AFKing between spawns for any other camp like Ass/sup, oot AC, frenzy, ect...

Responding to a CC is not a requirement, but it's a nice thing to do.



Selling SF loot rights, this is a douche move, I will suspend you for it under PNP.





Corpsing AC rings, We've started handling lore camps differently lately due to the abuse. Corpsing AC rings is a douche move, get your ring and pass the torch. I haven't seen any petitions lately complaining about AC abuse, the price is dropping also which is nice. If you are a player waiting for this camp and see someone corpsing a ring, let us know, be sure, don't waste our time. SOW pots are better anyway :P



Delaying a kill(kiting), 5-10 minutes is fairly reasonable, it all depends on the situation. Like I said before, don't kite a mob around waiting for your raid force for more then 5-10 minutes if you get FTE, be ready to engage. And if you are watching someone else do this, be sure they are truly delaying, don't let the pixelfever get the best of you.



Unofficially speaking, AC camp, sure. If you are next at the list I would stay near by so the trade off can happen quickly. If the list keeper gets his spawn and leaves and you are not there, you can lose the camp. For SF, I find it dumb to have to stay in the zone for that long. But if you wish to keep your spot it's in your best interest to be there during the spawns.

The thing is, lists are really driven by the players, if you are the list keeper it's in your rights to tell people if they want on the list, they must stay in the zone.


Here's the thing folks, we want people to have fun, but there are lots of players who like to abuse what we say and what few rules we have out there. If we suspect you are lawyerquesting or being a dick, we have no issue suspending you for PNP. If you feel I'm not being fair, go speak to Llandris, Braknar or Sirken. Don't be a jerk to me, I'm really here to help you guys enjoy the game.

If you ever need help understanding how a camp in particular works, don't be afraid of posting in the petitions / exploits forums asking a question, I'm happy to work it out with you. But keep in mind, we don't have solid rules written down for specific camps because every situation is different, but we do state guidelines here and there.

Ummm I don’t have to time to camp a potential 72hr spawn so when I finally get to this quest I will pay for it. You can’t penalize someone for trying to make a dime for waiting and camping something that is a good 70% of how the p99 economy works.

I don’t like to disagree with y’all but on this one I would fight for my seller til the cows came home if someone wanted to play the petiton game cause I looted the corpse that I paid for.

Sorry

[Nixtar]

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ummm I don’t have to time to camp a potential 72hr spawn so when I finally get to this quest I will pay for it. You can’t penalize someone for trying to make a dime for waiting and camping something that is a good 70% of how the p99 economy works.

I don’t like to disagree with y’all but on this one I would fight for my seller til the cows came home if someone wanted to play the petiton game cause I looted the corpse that I paid for.

Sorry

That would be a very one sided fight though.

Also, I don't have the money for this kind of camp. Having people sitting around it perma-camped means I can't enjoy content because the fat cat squad sells/buys MQ/loot rights among themselves.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Nixtar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That would be a very one sided fight though.

Also, I don't have the money for this kind of camp. Having people sitting around it perma-camped means I can't enjoy content because the fat cat squad sells/buys MQ/loot rights among themselves.

Not to be rude but sorry get more money. You might want to sit at a camp for 72 hours but I don’t.

You’ve been here for 3 years if you haven’t accquired enough plat to pay for a time sink camp maybe you should rethink how you make plat.

I for one would rather pay for this camp versus doing it because of how long it takes to get the mob to spawn.

[Jimjam]

Originally Posted by Tupakk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to be rude but sorry get more money. You might want to sit at a camp for 72 hours but I don’t.

You’ve been here for 3 years if you haven’t accquired enough plat to pay for a time sink camp maybe you should rethink how you make plat.

I for one would rather pay for this camp versus doing it because of how long it takes to get the mob to spawn.

Acquiring plat is only really relevant if you want to spend plat, which from Nixtar's previous post appears not to be the case. He seems interested in doing the camps himself, and seems frustrated that players can circumvent 'no drop' restrictions through MQ/loot rights.

[Tupakk]

Originally Posted by Jimjam [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Acquiring plat is only really relevant if you want to spend plat, which from Nixtar's previous post appears not to be the case. He seems interested in doing the camps himself, and seems frustrated that players can circumvent 'no drop' restrictions through MQ/loot rights.

That’s classic. If he wants the camp then he will have to wait for it to open and he can get it.

If he chooses to be a little petiton bitch and QQ because I paid for it then he will get my full wrath.

[paulgiamatti]

I think what Menden is referring to is the douchebags who kill SF and then try to auction off the loot rights in /ooc to the highest bidder, which would potentially end in a rotted map piece if they don't find a buyer. That shit should absolutely be punished. Having a prearranged deal set up where you pay to come and loot the map piece and no one's the wiser should be kosher.