We Are Supposed to Eat Animals !

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surprisingly, there really aren't any major studies that have been done that have provided any conclusive evidence that a vegan diet is more or less healthy. I never argued that it's healthier, just that it's not less healthy and that the fact that it "Goes against nature" is a stupid defense given how many things technology has allowed us to do that "Go against nature".

Human teeth are shaped like an omnivore's. So what? The human body can also only survive between 4 and 35 degrees celsius, should we stop using AC and furnaces because it's "Unnatural"? We do what we need to do, technologically, to continue to thrive and if we don't continue to make progress in providing alternative diets that don't rely on meats we can't keep up with the demand. Meat production is unsustainable given our current projected population growth and there aren't really any credible sources that refute that.

As far as morality is concerned, the meat industry tortures living things. You can wax relativist on it and start talking about the differences between an animal's experience versus a human's or you can try to discuss the cruel realities that exist in nature. You can even get real first year philosophy major up ins and suggest that morality is completely subjective but that line of thinking is useless at best, pretty damn dangerous at worst.

None of that changes the fact that humans, as highly developed analytical creatures with the ability to adapt to external pressures and internal preferences, have a choice to allow it to happen or allow it to stop (to whatever extent an individual can impact that). Opting out has value and while it's debatable what sort of moral value the decision has in the long run, there's not much point arguing that less death and torture is a bad thing objectively.

Why is the life of a lettuce any less than that of a snail, or a duck, or a cow, or a man? Each is nothing more than a collection of cells, why are larger more diverse collections anymore valuable than smaller more specialized ones?

Life requires death. Even plants, the most innocent of living things would cease without the time worn carcasses of their predators to sustain them. We can delude ourselves into believing we have attained some degree of righteousness for choosing to devour the most vulnerable of life in lieu of the lives of their aggressors, those that more closely resemble our selves, but in the end all we have done is deny the intermediaries a purposeful existence.

That said, many steps can certainly taken to make harvesting of animals a more humane.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Surprisingly, there really aren't any major studies that have been done that have provided any conclusive evidence that a vegan diet is more or less healthy. I never argued that it's healthier, just that it's not less healthy and that the fact that it "Goes against nature" is a stupid defense given how many things technology has allowed us to do that "Go against nature".

Our teeth break meat apart perfectly fine. We possess both the sharpness and the strength in our teeth to easily chew and grind meat to make it easily digestible by our bodies.

Beyond that, we also possess the capacity to cook food which makes it even easier to eat. Perhaps that had something to do with the shape of our teeth. Like a warning, its easier if you cook it.

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Human teeth are shaped like an omnivore's. So what? The human body can also only survive between 4 and 35 degrees celsius, should we stop using AC and furnaces because it's "Unnatural"? We do what we need to do, technologically, to continue to thrive and if we don't continue to make progress in providing alternative diets that don't rely on meats we can't keep up with the demand. Meat production is unsustainable given our current projected population growth and there aren't really any credible sources that refute that.

Not true in any way. This kind of propaganda is put out by the same people that claim there is man-made global warming and endorse eugenics, but has been debunked on every level by tens of thousands of scientists.

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

As far as morality is concerned, the meat industry tortures living things. You can wax relativist on it and start talking about the differences between an animal's experience versus a human's or you can try to discuss the cruel realities that exist in nature. You can even get real first year philosophy major up ins and suggest that morality is completely subjective but that line of thinking is useless at best, pretty damn dangerous at worst.

None of that changes the fact that humans, as highly developed analytical creatures with the ability to adapt to external pressures and internal preferences, have a choice to allow it to happen or allow it to stop (to whatever extent an individual can impact that). Opting out has value and while it's debatable what sort of moral value the decision has in the long run, there's not much point arguing that less death and torture is a bad thing objectively.

Its sad that animals suffer. You are right, they should do something to prevent that. That isn't an argument why we aren't supposed to eat meat though.

[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by Chaboo_Cleric [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because I'd rather put an animal in my mouth than sip Whey protein shakes. I prefer shit that isn't man made. I don't give a fuck if they come out with a vitamin that does everything for you. I want my body to get my macros and micros. Humans didn't climb to the top of the food chain to eat a fuckin carrot bro

Right, you do it because it's easy and you like it. That's fine.

Just don't mention the shape of our teeth, history of hunting or the necessity of B12 in order to tell me how humans should and shouldn't eat and we're all goog.

[R Flair]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right, you do it because it's easy and you like it. That's fine.

Just don't mention the shape of our teeth, history of hunting or the necessity of B12 in order to tell me how humans should and shouldn't eat and we're all goog.

My teeth chew flesh perfectly thank you.

Do some real research about what meat provides and how out of your way you have to go to supplement those vitamins and fat. I also recommend looking into the negative long term effect of being a vegetarian, particularly a vegan. There are plenty of documentaries and testimonies that will enlighten you.

Heres a good one to start with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZSz4AmaMcs

[Baler]

I'm having a nice Beef soup with noodle base tonight.
Yummy cow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not to mention the 2 eggs I had for breakfast.
Delicious!

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by mickmoranis [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well its just so hard to go on being normal when you know everyone around you is going to burn in hellfire for all eternity cus they like the taste of hamburger

It is not your burden to carry, friend. Bound for the spit of Tartarus is he who turns a deaf ear to witness of his own wickedness, for he is deserving. Verily time knows no end to his misery.

Or maybe we just all be raped eternally by meat demons for this transgression.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not your burden to carry, friend. Bound for the spit of Tartarus is he who turns a deaf ear to witness of his own wickedness, for he is deserving. Verily time knows no end to his misery.

Or maybe we just all be raped eternally by meat demons for this transgression.

Most likely it is this: https://youtu.be/29t-p0YIhCc?t=50 time marker from 50s-55s. There is often some truth in a lie. And the entrance to it is from this: https://youtu.be/h8mwhm0PoKc but all of them put together or as they merge at the end of the universe. That's a lot of years trying to create a plant to chew on that they just don't have the power to do nor could ever develop.

[GradnerLives]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Most likely it is this: https://youtu.be/29t-p0YIhCc?t=50 time marker from 50s-55s. There is often some truth in a lie. And the entrance to it is from this: https://youtu.be/h8mwhm0PoKc but all of them put together or as they merge at the end of the universe. That's a lot of years trying to create a plant to chew on that they just don't have the power to do nor could ever develop.

What the actual shit does this post mean?

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by GradnerLives [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What the actual shit does this post mean?

https://youtu.be/9jPglNrZhkA

[mickmoranis]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not your burden to carry, friend. Bound for the spit of Tartarus is he who turns a deaf ear to witness of his own wickedness, for he is deserving. Verily time knows no end to his misery.

Or maybe we just all be raped eternally by meat demons for this transgression.

It is nice that the all mighty gave us the minds that would think it better to risk an eternity of meat rape over eating healthy for a sliver in time.