So no chardok & no bard kiting... discuss

[Sarl]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't mind Wizards in a group if they don't try to be DPS wizards and blow through their mana bar nuking 1 mob. Having multiple stuns to stop a CH or Ice Comet is always handy, root parking and snare on fleeing mobs is useful if you have nobody else to do it or if you want to free up someone else's resources, and well timed nukes do make things more efficient. And, with a Flux staff, they can do the group a favor and take one for the team when the Enchanter's pet breaks charm.

You maybe dont mind but you ll take anything else before the poor wizy LFG. You'll probably keep the slot open for anything to show up ...

It's understable, how i see it is simple, the Serve is pretty old and everyone have acces to "great" gear pretty easly i would say and Wiz dont scale at all with items.

Wiz were fine when you were killing a mob every 2 mins, but everyone is so overstuff that they kill mobs every 30 sec ...

Anyway i am stilling looking for an invitation to C/E in seb Contact me on my wiz SarL i need to make some money. Thanks =)

[Chaboo_Cleric]

I like Everquest and I'm mad about 25

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Sarl [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You maybe dont mind but you ll take anything else before the poor wizy LFG. You'll probably keep the slot open for anything to show up ...

It's understable, how i see it is simple, the Serve is pretty old and everyone have acces to "great" gear pretty easly i would say and Wiz dont scale at all with items.

Wiz were fine when you were killing a mob every 2 mins, but everyone is so overstuff that they kill mobs every 30 sec ...

Anyway i am stilling looking for an invitation to C/E in seb Contact me on my wiz SarL i need to make some money. Thanks =)

If I'm in a group that's a member or two short that doesn't need a vital role like a cleric or a tank, I'd lobby for the wizard. No it's not going to be my first choice in some situations, but I'm not going to deny a wizard a spot if I've already got my bases covered. Besides, another perk to having a wizard around is being able to hand pick replacements as people log.

I've spent hours on my rogue and cleric not being able to get groups too, because people were short enchanters and shamans and heavy on DPS and heals, so it's not just a wizard problem. My rogue and cleric, however, do not come equipped with the tools to build a custom group for any dungeon in a short amount of time either, or the ability to solo 4 mobs at a time while they try to get something going, so I wouldn't cry for the wizards too much.

[skarlorn]

Wizqrds good in group cause the time they save you doing a Cr by casting evac outweighs their relative inefficiency

[feanan]

Originally Posted by skarlorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wizqrds good in group cause the time they save you doing a Cr by casting evac outweighs their relative inefficiency

Nah, 100pp for 96% rez and I'll take the rogue. Thanks

[JurisDictum]

Originally Posted by Redex [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Forgive my stupidity What "Damage" was done because of Kiting 100's of mobs with the Bards?

Sometimes Bards will kite something like Dreadlands or the Overthere during prime time -- making it annoying for people to hunt in those zones. It really doesn't happen that often. But some will have you believe it is impossible to level because of bards. Chances are their bitchers that will always find something to bitch about.

No I'm not a bard -- and it's the only class in this game I never played (past level 10 or so).

[Erica]

This change made me think of the beginning of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5ei9nEWfyU

25 mobs instead of 25 grams. People leaving Chardok instead of their apartments.

[Nibblewitz]

The greatest Proletariat patch this server has seen.

[thufir]

Originally Posted by Pindrought [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It still doesn't encourage grouping. Sensible bards wont group when it is still much better xp to just AE down mobs instead of grouping. It just hurts new players since they are capped in their total # of AE targets.

no offense, but this just isn't true. if you compare the high end dungeons here vs. the high end dungeons on Live back in the day you'll notice that they're much less populated here. this is because most of the people who would sit through that grind with their second, third, fourth, etc. characters instead park in Chardok and spend 2k per aoe pull.

this won't happen any more. so, yes, it will encourage grouping. maybe the bards will still kite, but every other class will have more representatives LFG now.

[surron]

They should have just implemented the leash changes that Kunark brought, that would have stopped that retarded ass chardok pull which was never possible in EQ.

People say leash never existed yet it did on eqmac, and there is not a single patch note from vanilla to pop talking about implementing leash for previous content.

inb4 people say not classic with absolutely 0 proof