Loughner declined from the army, but passed a background check to buy a gun? - Page 9

boboo · #81 01-11-2011, 02:11 PM

I think some americans lack the detachment needed to approach this question. As a montrealer, i dont need a gun to defend myself because its a pretty safe city. I dont live in a society where guns are omnipresent and some loony takes out 10 people once every few months (it happened in 1989 though).

Dont you think that maybe, just maybe if guns werent so omnipresent as they are in american society and without gun companies wanting to make money off that then defending yourself wouldnt be a problem youd have to think as long and hard about?

Kassel · #82 01-11-2011, 02:20 PM

Is it true? Do I really agree with Taxi ?? What is this world coming to.

I guess when you live in a country where people are not killed every day with guns you have a different perspective on the need for them in the first place.

Ihealyou · #83 01-11-2011, 02:21 PM

I didn't actually read this, but since everyone here is making up facts and using hypotheticals, I thought it might help.

http://www.hawaii.edu/hivandaids/Mea...e_Research.pdf

DaBlitz · #84 01-11-2011, 02:25 PM

Guns as with any tool can be misused by People, but they dont use themselves ergo the problem is People. Our problem is the way we deal with the People who commit such acts. I still see Loughner being labeled as "alleged" shooter or "accused" shooter. He DID IT, plenty of people witnessed the crime. So why wasted years and years of time and money in the Justice System. Don't care about any of the "why" he did it. he just did it. Now why waste years and money on him (even giving him a chance to some day do it again, ever how remote that is). We need a hanging Judge court for the obviously guilty and just have them taken out back and show them they same courtesy they have shown others. Spend a decade with this type court and you can bet the US numbers will drop as low as those countries proud of the fact they restrict and indivdual's right to bear arms.

boboo · #85 01-11-2011, 02:30 PM

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Is it true? Do I really agree with Taxi ?? What is this world coming to.

I guess when you live in a country where people are not killed every day with guns you have a different perspective on the need for them in the first place.

But thats my point though, the fact that people are killed every day is like a vicious circle. People get killed often because guns are omnipresent so people get guns to defend themselves.

It was like when i was in New York, some jesus freak started to talk to me and my reaction was to do what i usually do in Montreal when some people who pass these latter day saints leaflets try to talk to me which is to poke a little fun at them for my amusement and move on (like telling them that I am god).

But then i remembered where i was, Queens NY and all of a sudden the thought that came into my mind was "this motherfucker might just stab you for saying that yeah you are prepared to take the chance to go to hell by not beleiving in god". So i rapidly steered cleared of stabbing distance and moved along quickly.

I understand some of the need and want of americans to defend themselves, i just think its a downward spiral and americans need a big soul searching if they dont want their society to implode like a black hole, although my opinion is that it might be a little too late for that.

boboo · #86 01-11-2011, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DaBlitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Guns as with any tool can be misused by People, but they dont use themselves ergo the problem is People. Our problem is the way we deal with the People who commit such acts. I still see Loughner being labeled as "alleged" shooter or "accused" shooter. He DID IT, plenty of people witnessed the crime. So why wasted years and years of time and money in the Justice System. Don't care about any of the "why" he did it. he just did it. Now why waste years and money on him (even giving him a chance to some day do it again, ever how remote that is). We need a hanging Judge court for the obviously guilty and just have them taken out back and show them they same courtesy they have shown others. Spend a decade with this type court and you can bet the US numbers will drop as low as those countries proud of the fact they restrict and indivdual's right to bear arms.

Im sure that would have stopped someone like Jared Loughner, right?

Winobot · #87 01-11-2011, 02:36 PM

Sadly, I've only met eurotools who pretend to give a damn about our problems because its trendy to do so. Wearing bush shirts, pins, stop the bomb/war/us. My question is -- what the hell are YOU doing about it?

moklianne · #88 01-11-2011, 02:47 PM

We live in a not so great community. With that said, having a gun in the house would make me more worried for the wellbeing of the children in the house than the rare chance an invader would break in. Like someone said earlier, its whatever makes you feel safer, I just know that guns in the house wouldn't make me feel any safer.

Thankfully, we are moving out soon to a much nicer neighborhood, a bit more rural. It'll be nice to let the kids play outside and not have to be on top of them.

Perhaps those of you who live in fear should do the same? I don't understand why anyone would go through that fear everyday.

moklianne · #89 01-11-2011, 02:53 PM

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Guns as with any tool can be misused by People, but they dont use themselves ergo the problem is People. Our problem is the way we deal with the People who commit such acts. I still see Loughner being labeled as "alleged" shooter or "accused" shooter. He DID IT, plenty of people witnessed the crime. So why wasted years and years of time and money in the Justice System. Don't care about any of the "why" he did it. he just did it. Now why waste years and money on him (even giving him a chance to some day do it again, ever how remote that is). We need a hanging Judge court for the obviously guilty and just have them taken out back and show them they same courtesy they have shown others. Spend a decade with this type court and you can bet the US numbers will drop as low as those countries proud of the fact they restrict and indivdual's right to bear arms.

Slippery slope. Everyone is supposed to get a fair trial. Regardless of the crime. Its kind of in the Constitution and all...

This is done because the system does make mistakes. There have been quite a few people that were mistakenly put on death row, just to be exonerated due to 'new' evidence.

Finding out why they do these things is to try to understand them to try to prevent them in the future.

Asher · #90 01-11-2011, 02:56 PM

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I have a 6 cell mag light (not even sure if its legal anymore ) under the bed, you know in case the lights go out...and a baseball bat in living room down stairs with easy access. I am Canadian so it would be rare that an intruder would have a gun, in fact more often then not its a teenager or a crack head. If they do have a gun, i help them load up my various electronics into their van then call my insurance agent.

That is pretty much how I look at it too. Breaking into a home knowing people are allowed to have weapons means that I kill on sight. Breaking into a home knowing that they wont have weapons I tie them up and rob them.

I don't think we have much of a break into your home and rape problem in Canada but I am sure it happens.

Most Canadians prefer our gun control system IMO.

Asher