Is FAT exploiting Ring War for free Dains?

[Nibblewitz]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

150 people? Forsaken had 27 people for both ring wars, so unless asgard and taken are bringing 60 people each, you need to try again for more accurate numbers. I believe it was closer to 60 people total for the last war which was almost completed.

You're telling me that more Forsaken showed up to the exploited Dain spawn than to the actual Ring War??

Yikes.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Good job at completely sidestepping my questions.

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

We thought the third wave was impossible because of the amount of people that it requires to burn those sprinting mobs. I heard the last attempt with 150 was a close one. Maybe 200 people will crack it next time.

There never was an attempt with 150 people. Not even close. You should find a more credible source of intelligence.

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My understanding is BDA has done 2 ring wars. One was pretty early in Velious and we were unaware it was bugged. Second time was after a patch and we thought maybe they had fixed it. To my knowledge we've never gone into a ring war knowing that it was bugged.

What exactly was bugged that has not been fixed? Except for the obvious 2.5h vs 3 day respawn, and the fact that the mobs can fall through the world if you fight them at the wrong spots?

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're telling me that more Forsaken showed up to the exploited Dain spawn than to the actual Ring War??

Yikes.

Which Dain spawn was the exploited one? And how exactly was it exploited?

Please answer these questions for science.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What exactly was bugged that has not been fixed? Except for the obvious 2.5h vs 3 day respawn, and the fact that the mobs can fall through the world if you fight them at the wrong spots?

The Giants AC is too high in general (A 2h weapon that hits for ~300 was max hitting for like 184 I believe), plus the mobs fall through the world.

The biggest thing though is the final wave giants completely ignore aggro and are very resistant to snare/root - so they just run for Thurgadin and you can't stop them (or kill them fast enough because of above AC issue).

Maybe if you had 150ish people without desyncing the zone it would be possible but Ring War was done on live with far far less even in late Velious.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which Dain spawn was the exploited one? And how exactly was it exploited?

Forgot this one.

They are either talking about FAT intentionally failing Ring War to get a Dain spawn - who Nilbog has said is not supposed to spawn on a failure (but he's still working on a fix) - Daldaen even went through the trouble of failing a War on live and Dain doesn't spawn to make sure.

Or they are talking about FAT players intentionally spamming Rampage and BDA attempts with clickies to try and get players to desynch. Eventually both guilds got tired of it and left after rezzing up and let the 150 FAT zerg kill it.

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How does FAT doing ring wars and failing differ from BDA doing ring wars and failing? BDA even went so far as to attempt to claim the resulting Dain from their October 23 failure as their spawn. Just because BDA tried and failed and has now deemed the encounter impossible means that anyone else on the server that attempts it is exploiting it? FAT almost finished the war twice now and they see the light at the end of the tunnel.

If FAT and BDA both lost on the same wave of the ring war, how is FAT exploiting it and BDA was not? Is your conclusion solely because of the bugged respawn timer? Or because FAT showed up to kill the Dain that popped from the failure? I would like to remind you that if it was the latter, BDA is 100% just as guilty.

Why did BDA show up to contest the 12/4 Dain if they truly believed it was as a result of an exploit? Or is your issue with the 12/5 Dain?

My understanding is BDA has done 2 ring wars. One was pretty early in Velious and we were unaware it was bugged. Second time was after a patch and we thought maybe they had fixed it. To my knowledge we've never gone into a ring war knowing that it was bugged.

[Sweettouch]

The people have spoken,banhammer

[Raghnar]

hmmmm all of this drama from a ring thief anyway, picked a good day to both rant and steal

[jcr4990]

Originally Posted by BillSmith [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a ring thief?

Since I'm sure it's coming out anyway might as well be from me. I had a Rygorr head sitting in my inventory and gave in to temptation and stole a Ring 8 turnin. I feel unbelievably bad about it and am currently doing everything in my power to correct the situation. Got petitions in and have offered to MQ Ring 9 to the rightful winner who is being surprisingly cool about it. Rant away though I deserve it.

[Emsee]

Originally Posted by jcr4990 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since I'm sure it's coming out anyway might as well be from me. I had a Rygorr head sitting in my inventory and gave in to temptation and stole a Ring 8 turnin. I feel unbelievably bad about it and am currently doing everything in my power to correct the situation. Got petitions in and have offered to MQ Ring 9 to the rightful winner who is being surprisingly cool about it. Rant away though I deserve it.

This coming from the self proclaimed "P99 Celebrity". How will the inevitable crash and self induced suicide attempt end?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Emsee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This coming from the self proclaimed "P99 Celebrity". How will the inevitable crash and self induced suicide attempt end?

great suicide joke bud, thanks for posting it