RMTers discuss P1999 dsetup.dll "includes some NSA-level intrusive scans on your PC"

[Alaron01]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's trivial to reverse for the advanced x86 asm-knowing programmer. nothing is stopping you from getting phant0m + ollydump and figuring out the same thing. unless you can't, then you can just stick with the tinfoil hat on.

Is this your method of masturbation?

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Secrets [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's trivial to reverse for the advanced x86 asm-knowing programmer. nothing is stopping you from getting phant0m + ollydump and figuring out the same thing. unless you can't, then you can just stick with the tinfoil hat on.

This is complete bullshit right here. He may look good in a wig, but time to put the brakes on the Secrets smokeshow I think. Too many people getting smoked up and choking in this thread.

Even someone familiar with ASM would be missing little intricacies and intended functions of the program and what its capabilities are. lol who the fuck is going to disassemble a .dll anyway? That's ridiculous. You won't find a single sperg who is willing to do this because there will still be incomplete guesses and theories to fill in the limitations of "decompiling" (lol) a .dll file. You would still end up theorizing even if you were decent at making sense of ASM. Its a fucking .dll, its not going to be decompiled..

A good faith offer would be to allow a 3rd party programmer in good standing, with his place of employment provided to Rogean, (for assurance and security clearance) to examine the source code and give a statement on its scope and power.



And of course I don't believe Rogean, nilbog, Sirken or any high level P99 staff would misuse any data, even if the .dll were sucking up everyones financials. Those are all stand-up guys.

It is the temp volunteers of P99 people should be most concerned about having access to any type of data collection device. It is the employees of the NSA people are concerned about. The contractors, the senior guides, the here-today-gone-tomorrow GM's, and yes, even your beloved Secrets. :P

[simp403]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Even someone familiar with ASM would be missing little intricacies and intended functions of the program and what its capabilities are. lol who the fuck is going to disassemble a .dll anyway? That's ridiculous. You won't find a single sperg who is willing to do this because there will still be incomplete guesses and theories to fill in the limitations of "decompiling" (lol) a .dll file. You would still end up theorizing even if you were decent at making sense of ASM.

There are plenty of people who live and breath assembly code. For example, anyone who does decent penetration testing will be able to read assembly. Furthermore, there are no "intricacies and intended functions" that would be missed if someone had their hands on the actual bytecode, which can be obtained using an x86 debugger like Secrets said. Anyone with a decent level of proficiency with asm can translate the bytecode directly to assemble. It's just a matter of translating the assembly into a specific high level language, but nothing would be missing from the actual assembly code.

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its a fucking .dll, its not going to be decompiled..

This took me less than two minute to find.

Please just stop talking. It's obvious to anyone with actual technical knowledge that you're talking out of your ass.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by simp403 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of people who live and breath assembly code.

Please just stop talking. It's obvious to anyone with actual technical knowledge that you're talking out of your ass.

ASM reverse-engineering won't be done to a .dll, and certainly not this one.

Why? Because no one can or will do it.

Provide actual evidence rmtsite reverse-engineered the .dll a single member of the P99 community can do anything with ASM or shut up.

It would have been done by no for something "serious" like this. Don't you think? Who is the ass now? How possible is it again? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by simp403 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong. It can be done, as demonstrated by my previous link and the one provided below. Will it be done? No, because



That's some nice shifting of the goalposts. At what point did I ever say that I thought they actually decompiled it? I mentioned that they talked about "reverse engineering" in lieu of just saying they decompiled to try sounding knowledgeable, but I still said that I thought they're full of shit.

However, it's not even necessary to actually obtain code from the dll file to realize that this is all a load of shit. That's the conversation prior to your posts was concerning.



You're still the ass.

Let's get another thing straight: "decompiling" typically refers to the use of a decompiler to convert from bytecode to assembly, then from assembly to a higher level language. On the other hand, someone can use a debugger to get the actual bytecode of the program being run, and then directly translate that to the assembly language dictated by the processor's instruction set architecture. Once they have the assembly code, then they can translate it to a higher level langauge. These are two different concepts, though, and you keep conflating them because you really don't know what you're talking about.

I'm guessing that Secrets is referring to using OllyDump to get the bytecode and then translating that into assembly and then into C++. This would be a pretty big pain in the ass, but it's entirely possible for someone to use any number of programs to obtain the bytecode being executed and work from there. Someone who is used to reading x86 wouldn't have too much trouble with that.

To re-iterate, though, any code in the dll would have to hijack the Everquest process in order to do things like read web browser information, and this would be picked up very easily by any AV/anti-malware programs as Ostros mentioned.



I can smell the mad through my own computer.

It's funny that you say my posts are irrelevant when you've been adding nothing but uninformed bullshit to the conversation.

Also, "asm" typically refers to assembly, and assembly is most definitely a language. "asm" is a keyword in C that allows someone to implement a function using assembly, which is why it's used as shorthand for "assembly language". Good job on doubling down on your stupidity.

Go to IBM and tell them you want to "program" for them with ASM, and that is your only expertise with a "language". Watch the horrific cringe and no followup interview.

Thank you for reinforcing and agreeing with me that ASM is absolutely not a programming lanugage in any way shape or form.

And good job doubling down on your off-topic derail.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by simp403 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To re-iterate, though, any code in the dll would have to hijack the Everquest process in order to do things like read web browser information, and this would be picked up very easily by any AV/anti-malware programs as Ostros mentioned.

Mmmmhmmmm. Most AV are detecting the .dll and prompting action for some years now. The advice from P99 and the community for the past 5 odd years or so has been to ignore the AV and add it to your AV ignore list.

So relevancy? You propose AV hasn't already been a problem in the past or present with regards to P99 custom files. So who's the ass again? How long have you been in the community, I wonder now? You don't seem aware of the fact AV has already been a problem with P99 custom files.

[Alaron01]

Originally Posted by simp403 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of people who live and breath assembly code. For example, anyone who does decent penetration testing will be able to read assembly. Furthermore, there are no "intricacies and intended functions" that would be missed if someone had their hands on the actual bytecode, which can be obtained using an x86 debugger like Secrets said. Anyone with a decent level of proficiency with asm can translate the bytecode directly to assemble. It's just a matter of translating the assembly into a specific high level language, but nothing would be missing from the actual assembly code.



This took me less than two minute to find.

Please just stop talking. It's obvious to anyone with actual technical knowledge that you're talking out of your ass.

I agree with you. But I still think there is a good chance Secrets is talking out their ass.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by Alaron01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I agree with you. But I still think there is a good chance Secrets is talking out their ass.

Tell simp to put up or shut up. ASM isn't required for any programmer, its not a language.

You can't decompile a .dll. Suggesting so is a slur of the word decompile. You would still be speculating as to some of the functions of the .dll even if you could make sense of some of it.

rmtsite is incapable of it, simp is incapable of it, Secrets is incapable of it as well. Not relevant to the discussion. This isn't about "well anyone can decompile it" because you cannot.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by simp403 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please just stop talking. It's obvious to anyone with actual technical knowledge that you're talking out of your ass.

Your posts are just like Secrets, not relevant to the discussion.

Put up or shut up if you know all these guys who do "ASM" in the P99 community (As if ASM is a programming language)

I had enough watching you "well its possible" smoke blowers. Not even your precious scummy rmtsite could make sense of it.

Want to try to make another post that's relevant again?

[Nextwave]

Originally Posted by simp403 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

anyone who does decent penetration testing will be able to