Shamans

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Originally Posted by BigMagicJerk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I just joined this server and have a question about shaman viability for PvP -

I know I'm coming up against twinks; however, from having everything either resisted, dispelled via pumices or cured with an unending chain of potions - I am beginning to question their power.

Have I just been unlucky? Maybe I should just go with a SK afterall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe it gets better at higher levels (low level PvP right now) - what do you guys think?

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clicked on your name by accident

works in insurace ya'll

ps too many shamans around

[Nirgon]

ok i never pvped on Rallos Zek you got me, now will you shut up

I hope you realize that if channeling is correct you're going to take lures/ice spear to the face if you try shock of lightning spam on a lvl 60

I'm sure this also has nothing to do with you being the person playing Murda all the time

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

ok i never pvped on Rallos Zek you got me, now will you shut up

I hope you realize that if channeling is correct you're going to take lures/ice spear to the face if you try shock of lightning spam on a lvl 60

I'm sure this also has nothing to do with you being the person playing Murda all the time

I don't play Murda lol that is Runya. (I know your really trying to BS the staff but ya know they can check and confirm I don't play Murda)

Lure is 4.5 Shock of lightning was considered the bread and butter of wizards in classic, it was VERY rare to see someone channel a 4.5 after they got blasted with an sol. Duck interrupt casting also helps time and jam spells with much more skill. Icy spear is faster but won't land now even with -10 mod especially not after blue diamond jewelry is made.

Can't fathom how deranged a player has to be to spend all day on Bug reports arguing for classic when they never pvp'd in classic. You and Colgate are prolly the shadiest immersed players ever to grace this server.

[Lime]

Shock of Lightning and Chaotic Feedback (.1 stun) were both effective in classic and basically useless here. Good players could counter it somewhat by using f9 to get a top down camera view, and adjusting your character's position back to the original position and hoping to regain your channeling so it carried a risk when using it on good players that they would adjust and then you eat a nuke to the face.

Became much less effective in Kunark with the addition of 3 second cast offensive spells, meaning if you were chain casting it you could just wait for it to land on you and then draught of fire/deflux immediately.

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Lime [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Shock of Lightning and Chaotic Feedback (.1 stun) were both effective in classic and basically useless here. Good players could counter it somewhat by using f9 to get a top down camera view, and adjusting your character's position back to the original position and hoping to regain your channeling so it carried a risk when using it on good players that they would adjust and then you eat a nuke to the face.

Became much less effective in Kunark with the addition of 3 second cast offensive spells, meaning if you were chain casting it you could just wait for it to land on you and then draught of fire/deflux immediately.

BOOM finally someone who actually did pvp during classic, Mage shock of blades and necro poison bolt worked the exact same way.

Chaotic Feedback was the worst of the four because it had a stun attached but it wasn't spammable due to the cooldown.

[Gotze]

Shamans are overall not that bad in pvp and are exceptionally well in PVE, even more so in velious compared to other classes

[Nirgon]

I had people gate or nuke me through shock of lightning after lvl 40ish pretty regularly for the era

My necro pal would asystole me most of the time through it in duels, but at low levels it was bad ass. This is just how channeling worked bud.

I stopped using it by the time most people were lvl 60 in Velious that I fought

You are wrong about it being rare that people channeled through it, and need to calm down

[Lime]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I had people gate or nuke me through shock of lightning after lvl 40ish pretty regularly for the era

My necro pal would asystole me most of the time through it in duels, but at low levels it was bad ass. This is just how channeling worked bud.

I stopped using it by the time most people were lvl 60 in Velious that I fought

You are wrong about it being rare that people channeled through it, and need to calm down

I think the level of the spell effected how hard it was to channel after movement. Gate being a low level spell made it easier to channel. So it was harder to channel Sunstrike than it is draught of fire or gate. Also the direction the target convulsed was based on the direction your character was facing. So you could rotate your character while you were casting it to achieve different movement effects on the enemy. To achieve a higher chance to interrupt you would want to rotate so they would move diagonally or sideways. This made it harder to simply step forward or backwards and adjust your position to the start of the channel.

[Nirgon]

No shock of lightning memmed here in lvl 60 pvp... HMMMM...

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Here's getting hit with shock of lightning and casting through no prob (again.. 50+ range) but it also does give credit to chaotic feedback being viable (I agree with this)

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And someone getting smoked by an ice spear (you can also see that hitting a clicky refreshed ALL spell gems instantly, not just the top slotted one)

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Ice spear would get resisted or partialed by people in resist gear but if you got a good roll on it, it was a great quick finisher and a go to for trying to drop a healer on the ropes.


Seeing all the great caster kills reminds me that item loot was a good thing, people had to risk their resist gear. If they were a terribad and they were afraid to wear it ... then the good pvpers could assume substantial risk and have an upper hand. And sometimes the good pvpers got taken down by a band of clowns or had bad luck/bad resist or hit rolls.

Hopefully those images load for ya. Can fix if not.

The end of the shock of lightning debate is if channeling is implemented correctly here and if the spell has the appropriate push back, it will be working as designed. As far as it being unresistable for people with 180+ MR yeah ok, sure post prof.

[Syft-X]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The end of the shock of lightning debate is if channeling is implemented correctly here and if the spell has the appropriate push back, it will be working as designed. As far as it being unresistable for people with 180+ MR yeah ok, sure post prof.

Everyone knows it landed regardless of MR, SMH it was like a lure.

Just stay off bug reports you seriously don't know what you are talking about.