Class defining epic

[Rararboker]

lvl 1

[Daldaen]

Efreeti War Spear is 15!

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Efreeti War Spear is 15!

too rare. and slower than RB.

Gunthak Harpoon too clunky. and slower than RB.

the other two are actually better than RB but are velious raid drops.

[koros]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

too rare. and slower than RB.

Gunthak Harpoon too clunky. and slower than RB.

the other two are actually better than RB but are velious raid drops.

Who the hell cares if it's 15 damage? BS is only a portion of their damage, so there are better main hand, offhand, and mainhand/offhand combos in terms of raw dps (read: what rogues care about). It's not class defining

[Loke]

DPS is never negligible when raiding. In a group, maybe, especially if it detracts from doing other things, but for a bard on a raid, the 20-25 dps you can get from melee still counts towards the total damage to the mob. 25 dps is 1500 damage a minute. That is comparable to pally dps. In fact, I used to routinely rate my dps on raids based on whether or not i out dps'd corova (a low bar, i know, but i needed a metric of some sort).

Additionally, the 30 atk from epic, plus the 25 from modded mcvaxius is 55 to the entire group, which is super significant. Plus higher DS, resists, and doing melee dps.... it is an aggregate effect. You can just single out one thing that improves with the bard epic, because bards arent a class that is about doing one thing well. Bards do everything okay, and their epic gives them more options to do almost everything better. You cant just do a point to point comparison because you have to factor in everything. Sure, drums might give you more resist overall, but to get that yourr sacrificing MR from psalm (most important resist by far), atk from mcvaxius, and 25ish dps. For you econ majors out there, it is all about opportunity cost, and epic completely changes the landscape of your next best option.

Also, try fear kiting without epic, that alone highlights the type of playstyles that epic opens up. I can chain fear, snare and stack dots, all while meleeing, which would be basically impossible without epic. Given that is a minor utility with limited uses, but just one example of how bard epic opens up new options.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Loke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards do everything okay, and their epic gives them more options to do almost everything better.

and this my friend is why it's the #1 class defining epic

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and this my friend is why it's the #1 class defining epic

Style points too, since bards are all about style [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[iruinedyourday]

This thread is definitely wrong and silly, Cecily.

Ok guys here, if you change the shaman epic to provide a slow instead of what it does now, you'd see 100% less shamans than you do now.

Ergo the class is defined by its epic.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This thread is definitely wrong and silly, Cecily.

Ok guys here, if you change the shaman epic to provide a slow instead of what it does now, you'd see 100% less shamans than you do now.

Ergo the class is defined by its epic.

uh...

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by citizen1080 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

uh...

yeah, i have no idea what he's talking about or where he's going with this. there's a class that can already solo without their epic, and their epic allows them to solo slightly more efficiently after level 50, and that alone makes it more class defining than other epics.

i think that deserves a solid 10th out of 14 on my list. if the only requirement is that it lets you solo easier the druid epic alone beats the shaman epic, lol.