Removal of the Class System when Velious Launches

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're either staunchly entrenched in your denial or drank too much of the TMO kool aid. learn some server history?

Why?

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why?

so he doesn't look so much like an idiot in RNF?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so he doesn't look so much like an idiot in RNF?

No why to your most. Why were those 2 descriptions of him valid. Do explain how BDA trained the raid guilds? Basically you said Detoxx has to be A or B but didn't explain what made that true.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you're either staunchly entrenched in your denial or drank too much of the TMO kool aid. learn some server history?

we'll let you and your guild get back to raiding the frenzied room in lower guk or efreeti in sol B

[Samoht]

here, let's make this easier before retardi writes another essay filled with half truths and doublespeak. here is what detoxx wrote:

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tell me, how did bda train anyone how to raid when, aside from the last year, they never raided?

retardi stands by this assessment even when it's pointed out that Detoxx is talking out of his ass (like always)

but then we have this little gem:

Originally Posted by Retardi0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Occasionally BDA would get some raid target that no one else was going for. I.E Faydedar, Maestro

when pressed for more details on the time frame, retardi refuses to answer! (naturally)

why? because it proves detoxx is full of shit? because he has to stand by his TMO butt buddy through thick and thin? (mostly thick. remember, piggles is still a part of this guild.)

so a guild that has clearly raided and that has been around since, i don't know, remind me?

Originally Posted by Retardi0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

long before TMO even existed here.

so a guild that was getting kills and was around before TMO A) never raided and B) never had a former member join TMO

right?

[Samoht]

oh, so TMOs train-the-competition raid ability is the only positive way to raid to you?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh, so TMOs train-the-competition raid ability is the only positive way to raid to you?

Well detoxx is making a statement based on a TMO raid perspective? So its the only positive perspective that makes sense to the environment we raid in.

I think its fairly obvious that Detoxx is making a comment on BDA's over inability to compete or kill targets without the new handicap system. Obviously raid requirements in a rotation or in an instanced environment are a lot different than in a competitive environment.

If BDA was so good at raiding that their members were desirable for the sole purpose of their "Raid training" then I wonder why BDA was unable to kill raid targets for years. Seems a skillset was missing. Actually the fact that BDA never got kills was the reason so many exBDA apped to TMO so they could actually kill some raid mobs. Its almost like if BDA has real quality raid knowledge to impart to its members they would have killed some targets and kept retention a bit higher.
MIND BLOWN.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If BDA was so good at raiding that their members were desirable for the sole purpose of their "Raid training" then I wonder why BDA was unable to kill raid targets for years. Seems a skillset was missing.

weren't they getting kills before TMO was ever a thing? the reason the paths diverged and they stopped was TMO became a blood thirsty machine willing to ignore rules to get their targets (no CSR VP).

then enter LawyerQuest. another glorious time for TMO raiding that raised their disdain even further in the eyes of the rest of the server.

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually the fact that BDA never got kills was the reason so many exBDA apped to TMO so they could actually kill some raid mobs.

so then you do in fact admit that Detoxx is wrong, that TMO members are former members of guilds not named TMO and they did in fact raid with and obtain loot from a guild not named TMO.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

weren't they getting kills before TMO was ever a thing? the reason the paths diverged and they stopped was TMO became a blood thirsty machine willing to ignore rules to get their targets (no CSR VP).

then enter LawyerQuest. another glorious time for TMO raiding that raised their disdain even further in the eyes of the rest of the server.


so then you do in fact admit that Detoxx is wrong, that TMO members are former members of guilds not named TMO and they did in fact raid with and obtain loot from a guild not named TMO.

No BDA was a Non-factor always. You apparently need to take your own advise and learn some server history. I am glad you are appealing to your betters now. I will make sure you get educated. That BDA Kool-Aid is toxic.

BDA actually started long before p99 and originally was waiting on eqclassic project (lol) BDA wasn't even raiding until just before Kunark was released. That would be including Fear/Hate/Sky as raids.

Occasionally BDA would get some raid target that no one else was going for. I.E Faydedar, Maestro, or (Verina Tomb) on a repop.

Pre-kunark IB, Ascension, WI, and a whole slew of other guilds (divinity) made p99 raiding a cesspool long before TMO even started here and long before Kunark or VP was released.

TMO was actually created as a casual guild for old school TMO people to hang out. We decided to make a serious raid push a couple(few) months into Kunark when we merged with DA. The raid environment was already shitty and BDA wasn't getting kills long before TMO even existed here.

You can't blame non-csr VP on TMO. IB also existed there or TR at the time. The non-csr rule was made because VP was not finished and pathing was severely broken. (Again learn server history)

Speaking of breaking rules why do you specifically target TMO while not mentioning IB/TR/Rampage? You do realize during that early VP era that TR/IB has a large portion of their guild including some officers deleveled and suspended for using MacroQuest? Later a large portion RMT'd off the server including some of their leadership?
There was also a VP rotation going on over the holidays that TR decided to break by reforming into IB while TMO was finishing sky.

Clearly your pick and choose what is acceptable or deemed as "breaking rules".

Maybe that demonstrates bias on your part? (kool-aid)>?


Again loot has nothing to do with training. Also other guilds doesn't mean BDA. Sure we have some members who were trained to raid by other guilds either on live or P99. BDA training just doesn't really apply.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Occasionally BDA would get some raid target that no one else was going for. I.E Faydedar, Maestro

wait, i'm sorry, what?

were they getting kills or not?

did you just throw your entire argument out the window to contradict yourself?

and was this time frame before TMO or was it not?

quick, write me another essay showing me how i'm wrong while you fill it with contradictions that just prove me right.